please Help with pricing on 1987 PT 38 - 8v92 silver edition

[Mary Fowler Leek]

Good morning all,

Well, Mike and I haven't been too busy on the forum since we purchased our bird.
We spent the first summer traveling to Alaska, where we enjoyed a great summer
and visit with old family and friends, then a leisurely return down the west
coast of Canada vis Seattle and on through the southwestern states. What a
pleasure to travel in a bird. We've taken many state side trips since and she
has continued to perform well.

My husband was diagnosed with cancer, has had his surgery and is doing well.
Because of his treatments, we must remain at home. We've decided to sell our
bird and need some help with pricing. For those of you who have been in the
market and know the prices you're currently seeing for them, would you mind
taking a look at some of the pictures I have on line to compare with what you've
seen as you look for your bird. I've forgotten the sales sites I used to visit
so if anyone has a list of those, I'd deeply appreciate a hand there, as we need
to put up ads, once we have an idea of pricing.

We've kept up proper scheduled maintenance and have a detailed list for that.
Big work has been done by the BB factory or a certified diesel facility. She's
in good condition, a pleasure to drive and to our knowledge, we are the third
owner. Mike has kept a list of our maintenance since we've had her, plus all the
work receipts, the blue box is almost 100%. We put on new Michelins on steer and
drive and she has what were new firestones for tag. Tag would now be abt 3 years
old (prior trucking company owner had those put on steer before we purchased and
we had them moved to tag when we put on the new Michelins). The Michelins are
two and a half years now. We had a transmission line break while she was at the
BB factory and that has been replaced, plus the other three transmission lines
so that's all fresh and should be good for another 20 years. Needless to say,
the transmission was checked and is sporting new fluids. New dryer cartridge, a
US transportation safety check of whatever they check for, new Koni shocks on
steer and drive. New fridge installed about 3.5 years ago (about a year old when
we bought her). We put in an in-motion satillite system, with two receivers, so
different channels can be watched on fore and aft tv's at the same time. We
enjoy listening to golf tournaments or Fox news when we're driving. :-) Mike
dented two of the passenger side bin doors by scraping a short gate support
during a trip to Florida, so we had that repaired by the BB factory. It actually
worked out well, as that seems to be the side that gets the most use of opening
bins and the paint was a bit worn along the door edges. The BB factory matched
and used the exact paint she came from the factory with so that side now looks
just like the driver side, extremely nice. All outside bin gas struts have been
replaced. The most used bin needed one, so Mike just decided to do all of them
as he felt if one was getting bad, the others might go sometime soon, too. New
coach batteries and generator battery about 2.5 years old now. We had a new,
high rise comode installed. Also, when we bought her, one of the generator
brushes had worn down and scored the slip ring so Mike had the generator pulled
and had new slip rings, brushes and new bearings installed. The bearings were
just fine but the big expense is in pulling the generator so Mike had them go
ahead and put in new bearings while they had it out. This work was done by the
factory authorized shop for our area. When we aren't traveling, Mike starts it
each week and runs it for a few minutes, as suggested by the dealer. There is a
10,000 lb capacity Blue Ox tow bar, that is less than 3 years old, that is
removable. It has the telescoping, self adjusting arms and we tow a Grand
Cherokee with it.

There are three things that I know of that need attention. The musical horn
sometimes sounds sour notes, sometimes some notes of a song play and others do
not, sometimes it works fine, so obviously something is awry. I've spoken with
the shop in Texas that repairs the board for the horn but Mike hasn't felt like
messing with it. The speed control quit working (or isn't working well) on one
of our last trips and he's not yet done anything with that and there is a little
rattle in the electric heater in the kitchen when the electric heater is
running. Mike replaced the element not long after we purchased the bus and he
thinks he didn't get something tightened properly and the fan sets it to
fluttering. It only rattles when the heater fan is running, not otherwise. We
usually use propane heat and he forgets about it until we turn it on again,
which we did this fall. :-) We have a 50 amp hookup and use the electric heat to
keep the bus heated during the cold months.

This is about all I can think of and should provide a general idea of her
condition. Without a seconds thought, we would take off again tomorrow for
Alaska. She has 106,000 miles, is Rose, Light Rose (has the pretty silver
metallic in the that color) and silver gray exterior, corian countertops with
the nice, big and deep corian sink, with little one next to it. A queen cross
bed and two front sofas.

If you've gotten this far into my saga and would like to help us arrive at an
attractive, fair, asking price, we'd be so appreciative of the help. I did put
an ad in the classifieds here, but we didn't know what to ask and I'm afraid
it's too high. Once we have some idea of what to ask, I'll place some ads and do
a better job of posting photos. If you'd like to help, the few photos at the
link below will hopefully give you a look at her.

The link to the photos is:

http://www.pbase.com/maryleek/bluebird_w...e&page=all

My thanks, Mary

Mary & Mike Leek, Danville (NW), Arkansas, toll free ph: 1-877-318-9199
1987 PT 38 - 8v92 silver edition

[Scott Peatross]

Mary, I think your asking price of $69,900 is a great buy for someone, you
shouldn't need to drop your price, you just need better exposure. Personally,
I'd start off $10,000 higher and listen to serious offers. Place a free ad on
http://www.vintagebirds.com. You can also try http://www.birdconnection.com but they charge a
commission. Other good sites are http://www.rvtraderonline.com and http://www.rvonline.com.
Keep in mind it takes time to find the right buyer for a Wanderlodge, be
patient. Lots of tire kickers and bottom feeders out there.

Scott Peatross
'87 PT40




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[guysmalley]

I agree with Scott, your price is a very good deal, selling a bus is not
gennerally a quick
sale, if the upkeep of the bird is a burden then I would sale for 69,900 as a
firm price, you
may lose a little money but you won't have the worry of the choach during your
husband
illness. Good luck,

Guy Smalley
86 pt 40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Peatross <slpeatross@s...> wrote:
>
> Mary, I think your asking price of $69,900 is a great buy for someone, you
shouldn't
need to drop your price, you just need better exposure. Personally, I'd start
off $10,000
higher and listen to serious offers. Place a free ad on http://www.vintagebirds.com.
You can also
try http://www.birdconnection.com but they charge a commission. Other good sites are
http://www.rvtraderonline.com and http://www.rvonline.com. Keep in mind it takes time to find
the
right buyer for a Wanderlodge, be patient. Lots of tire kickers and bottom
feeders out
there.
>
> Scott Peatross
> '87 PT40
>
>
>
>
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>

[Richard Hayden]

Mary, I would ditto Scott's comments about the $10K higher. We paid in that
range last June for our '87PT38 in mostly good condition. We had some issues to
deal with but nothing big so far.
We used RV Trader on Line to sell for our '81FC31 and sold it the next day for
full price. It was a good experience with RV Trader and not that much money.
Good Luck.

Dick Hayden - '87PT38 - Lk Stevens, WA - Now in Yuma
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Peatross
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] please Help with pricing on 1987 PT 38 - 8v92
silver edition


Mary, I think your asking price of $69,900 is a great buy for someone, you
shouldn't need to drop your price, you just need better exposure. Personally,
I'd start off $10,000 higher and listen to serious offers. Place a free ad on
[url]www.vintagebirds.com<[/url]http://www.vintagebirds.com/>. You can also try
[url]www.birdconnection.com<[/url]http://www.birdconnection.com/> but they charge a
commission. Other good sites are http://www.rvtraderonline.com and http://www.rvonline.com.
Keep in mind it takes time to find the right buyer for a Wanderlodge, be
patient. Lots of tire kickers and bottom feeders out there.

Scott Peatross
'87 PT40




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[Tom Warner]

Dick/Mary there may be something that you have overlooked. Selling a
1981 FC31 is one thing but altogether different for a 1987
PT38/.39/40. The problem is cash. Few banks or credit unions will
finance a motorhome now that is over 15 years old, that means only
1990 and above. So you are looking for the most part for someone that
has the cash to buy it. I believe that is one of the reasons the
FC31/33/35 sell so well. They are in a price range that people may
have the cash to buy them. How many people do you know that have
$69,000 cash plus the tax, license and insurance? Look at the BB
that have been on the market for over a year and even 2-3 years. I
just saw a 1986 PT40 sell for $50,000. RV trader has a 1985 PT40 for
$49,795, 1986 PT38 for $60,000. Just my opinion from watching the
sales. The problem with setting the price to high for the market is
that potential buyers will overlook it when comparing the coaches I just noted.

Tom Warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY




At 12:38 AM 1/12/2006, you wrote:
>Mary, I would ditto Scott's comments about the $10K higher. We paid
>in that range last June for our '87PT38 in mostly good
>condition. We had some issues to deal with but nothing big so far.
>We used RV Trader on Line to sell for our '81FC31 and sold it the
>next day for full price. It was a good experience with RV Trader
>and not that much money. Good Luck.
>
>Dick Hayden - '87PT38 - Lk Stevens, WA - Now in Yuma
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] please Help with pricing on 1987
> PT 38 - 8v92 silver edition
>
>
> Mary, I think your asking price of $69,900 is a great buy for
> someone, you shouldn't need to drop your price, you just need
> better exposure. Personally, I'd start off $10,000 higher and
> listen to serious offers. Place a free ad on
> [url]www.vintagebirds.com<[/url]http://www.vintagebirds.com/>. You can also
> try [url]www.birdconnection.com<[/url]http://www.birdconnection.com/> but they
> charge a commission. Other good sites are http://www.rvtraderonline.com
> and http://www.rvonline.com. Keep in mind it takes time to find the right
> buyer for a Wanderlodge, be patient. Lots of tire kickers and
> bottom feeders out there.
>
> Scott Peatross
> '87 PT40
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[Scott Peatross]

Well Tom, at least here on the left coast, if you've owned a home for even a
couple of years you've got a bunch of equity. Cheap home equity loan, that's how
you finance a PT40.

Scott Peatross
'87 PT40
Stevenson Ranch, CA


Tom Warner wrote:
How many people do you know that have
$69,000 cash plus the tax, license and insurance?

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[Ernest Ekberg]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Scott Peatross
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> Well Tom, at least here on the left coast, if you've owned a home for
even a couple of years you've got a bunch of equity. Cheap home equity
loan, that's how you finance a PT40.
>
> Scott Peatross
> '87 PT40
> Stevenson Ranch, CA
>
> And a good interest tax deduction, to boot. Ernie-83pt40 in Louisiana-
home to Texas on Sat
>

[guysmalley]

The hard part is camparing apples to apples, one pt 40 is different to the next
ie upkeep
condition etc. it is a buyers market, if you need the cash them take the hit or
keep it til your
husband is well then enjoy!!!

guy smalley

[Tom Warner]

Just to add a little more to what Guy is saying. If you have a 1987
PT 38 and it has the original carpets and upholstery, refrigerator
and appliances but a very nice paint job then you need to compare the
price you have set for yours with the actual selling price of a
similar coach. that is the hard part from a couple of perspectives,
first we never know exactly what the final agreed price was as
compared to the asking price and whether the description of the
motorhome was indeed fair. When I was looking for a FC model I read
many many descriptions that owners made and the pictures furnished
and found huge differences. For instance the description says
excellent tire tread but after a lot of questions find out the tires
are 7-8 years old. A generator with 700 hours on it, that upon first
impression should be nice. It wasnt since the owner never started it
often enough and changed the oil, filter etc on a regular basis so
the generator had some real problems.

Just be careful and if you think your coach is above average then
price it accordingly. You are the only one that can accurately
describe it to get someones attention. Just make sure you dont
describe something that upon the prospective buyers eyeball
inspection turns out to be not accurate.

Hope you sell it quick and at the price you ask

Tom Warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 07:44 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote:
>The hard part is camparing apples to apples, one pt 40 is different
>to the next ie upkeep
>condition etc. it is a buyers market, if you need the cash them take
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>husband is well then enjoy!!!
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+vehicles&w2=Wanderlodge&w3=Automotive+maintenance&w4=Recreational+vehicle+deale\
r&w5=Used+recreational+vehicles&w6=Automotive+radiators&c=6&s=163&.sig=UGEY5km4L\
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>recreational vehicles
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les&w2=Wanderlodge&w3=Automotive+maintenance&w4=Recreational+vehicle+dealer&w5=U\
sed+recreational+vehicles&w6=Automotive+radiators&c=6&s=163&.sig=ePNVMmISsCWgTnM\
q_4GlXA>Automotive
>radiators
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