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07-26-2007, 06:28

Has anyone used this stuff before. I just put some in my Cummins engine and I
swear it increased oil pressure. Or is it snake oil?http://www.polydyn.com/tx7.htm
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion

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07-26-2007, 06:38

Leroy,
Tell us more about it. Just what is it suppose to do.
Howard T., Sowega, Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
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> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/07/26 Thu PM 02:28:10 EDT
> To:
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
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> Has anyone used this stuff before. I just put some in my Cummins engine and I
swear it increased oil pressure. Or is it snake oil?http://www.polydyn.com/tx7.htm
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> Royale Conversion
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07-26-2007, 07:10

It is supposed to extend engine life, reduce friction, decrease heat, increase
oil pressure etc. It is some type of fluoropolymer that coats moving engine
parts. It apparantly is extensively used in racing. It is expensive. $28.00/qt.
It must be good. lol I thought I would try it in my Dodge on a long trip to
California next week and see if it increases my fuel milage. That is all I have
been able to learn. It also states it can be used in diesel engines.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion
----- Original Message -----
From: truitt44@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7

Leroy,
Tell us more about it. Just what is it suppose to do.
Howard T., Sowega, Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
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> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/07/26 Thu PM 02:28:10 EDT
> To:
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
>
> Has anyone used this stuff before. I just put some in my Cummins engine and
I swear it increased oil pressure. Or is it snake oil?http://www.polydyn.com/tx7.htm
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> Royale Conversion
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07-26-2007, 07:28

Leroy,

Sounds to me at quick glance suspiciously like another one of those
products that have been around since the 70s & 80s that Dupont brought
suit against to prohibit use of the word "teflon" in their content or
advertising. TFE or PTFE, polytetrafluoroethylene, more commonly
known as Teflon, has been stated by Dupont as not effective for
bonding to metal surfaces in the described fashion. While coated
engine parts benefit from it, coated engines parts are done
pre-assembly in temperatures much higher than your internal combustion
engine will generate or withstand. That's roughly the story as I
recall reading it.... Been discussed many times on the Net on
different automotive enthusiast forums. I am sure that one of our
chemically astute members will give you a more technical explanation
soon. ;^)

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> It is supposed to extend engine life, reduce friction, decrease
heat, increase oil pressure etc. It is some type of fluoropolymer that
coats moving engine parts. It apparantly is extensively used in
racing. It is expensive. $28.00/qt. It must be good. lol I thought I
would try it in my Dodge on a long trip to California next week and
see if it increases my fuel milage. That is all I have been able to
learn. It also states it can be used in diesel engines.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> Royale Conversion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: truitt44@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
>
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> Leroy,
> Tell us more about it. Just what is it suppose to do.
> Howard T., Sowega, Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
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> > From: "Leroy Eckert"
> > Date: 2007/07/26 Thu PM 02:28:10 EDT
> > To:
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
> >
> > Has anyone used this stuff before. I just put some in my Cummins
engine and I swear it increased oil pressure. Or is it snake
oil?http://www.polydyn.com/tx7.htm
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> > Royale Conversion
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07-26-2007, 07:30

I recall using "Motor Medic" (a very heavy oil) in a very sick engine
many years ago before trading in the old car... I note that TX-7
claims a viscosity of 60 -- so it's a heavy oil. That, alone, will
tend to increase oil pressure, if enough of the product is used.
However, that isn't, necessarily, a useful result if it is simply
done by causing more resistance in the oil delivery system (by higher
viscosity).

Over the years, there have been many products with TFE (Teflon) as a
component. All claim to coat the inside of the engine with Teflon to
reduce friction. Since most of those other products didn't really
work, I note that TX-7 claims to "burnish" the TFE into the metal at
"wear points." They offer no proof that this has a better result than
other TFE products.

Many additives claim all sorts of engine efficiency improvements --
but none ever seem to have scientifically valid data to document the
claims. (Anecdotal reports are not scientifically valid data.) The
fact that it is used in race cars only means (1) that the
manufacturer sponsors a race car or (2) that race car owners are
willing to try experimental means if they think it may improve their
performance. Race car drivers are also known to wear a "lucky" piece
of clothing for the same result.

Snake oil? Could be -- The stuff might work, but no real proof is
provided. Diesel use also appears to be rather poorly documented,
even on the manufacturer's web site. Personally, I wouldn't want to
experiment on an engine that might cost $20,000 to rebuild if it
causes a problem.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...

On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:

> It is supposed to extend engine life, reduce friction, decrease
> heat, increase oil pressure etc. It is some type of fluoropolymer
> that coats moving engine parts. It apparantly is extensively used
> in racing. It is expensive. $28.00/qt. It must be good. lol I
> thought I would try it in my Dodge on a long trip to California
> next week and see if it increases my fuel milage. That is all I
> have been able to learn. It also states it can be used in diesel
> engines.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> Royale Conversion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: truitt44@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
>
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> Leroy,
> Tell us more about it. Just what is it suppose to do.
> Howard T., Sowega, Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
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>> From: "Leroy Eckert"
>> Date: 2007/07/26 Thu PM 02:28:10 EDT
>> To:
>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
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>> Has anyone used this stuff before. I just put some in my Cummins
>> engine and I swear it increased oil pressure. Or is it snake oil?
>> http://www.polydyn.com/tx7.htm
>> Leroy Eckert
>> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>> Niceville, FL
>> Royale Conversion
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07-26-2007, 07:36

I suspected teflon but didn't know. Perhaps someone out there will.
Thanks,
Leroy Eckert
1990
WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: mbulriss
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Polydyn TX7

Leroy,

Sounds to me at quick glance suspiciously like another one of those
products that have been around since the 70s & 80s that Dupont brought
suit against to prohibit use of the word "teflon" in their content or
advertising. TFE or PTFE, polytetrafluoroethylene, more commonly
known as Teflon, has been stated by Dupont as not effective for
bonding to metal surfaces in the described fashion. While coated
engine parts benefit from it, coated engines parts are done
pre-assembly in temperatures much higher than your internal combustion
engine will generate or withstand. That's roughly the story as I
recall reading it.... Been discussed many times on the Net on
different automotive enthusiast forums. I am sure that one of our
chemically astute members will give you a more technical explanation
soon. ;^)

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> It is supposed to extend engine life, reduce friction, decrease
heat, increase oil pressure etc. It is some type of fluoropolymer that
coats moving engine parts. It apparantly is extensively used in
racing. It is expensive. $28.00/qt. It must be good. lol I thought I
would try it in my Dodge on a long trip to California next week and
see if it increases my fuel milage. That is all I have been able to
learn. It also states it can be used in diesel engines.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> Royale Conversion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: truitt44@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
>
>
> Leroy,
> Tell us more about it. Just what is it suppose to do.
> Howard T., Sowega, Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
> >
> > From: "Leroy Eckert"
> > Date: 2007/07/26 Thu PM 02:28:10 EDT
> > To:
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
> >
> > Has anyone used this stuff before. I just put some in my Cummins
engine and I swear it increased oil pressure. Or is it snake
oil?http://www.polydyn.com/tx7.htm
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> > Royale Conversion
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07-26-2007, 13:16

Thanks Pete:
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Passing through Montgomery, AL
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Masterson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7

I recall using "Motor Medic" (a very heavy oil) in a very sick engine
many years ago before trading in the old car... I note that TX-7
claims a viscosity of 60 -- so it's a heavy oil. That, alone, will
tend to increase oil pressure, if enough of the product is used.
However, that isn't, necessarily, a useful result if it is simply
done by causing more resistance in the oil delivery system (by higher
viscosity).

Over the years, there have been many products with TFE (Teflon) as a
component. All claim to coat the inside of the engine with Teflon to
reduce friction. Since most of those other products didn't really
work, I note that TX-7 claims to "burnish" the TFE into the metal at
"wear points." They offer no proof that this has a better result than
other TFE products.

Many additives claim all sorts of engine efficiency improvements --
but none ever seem to have scientifically valid data to document the
claims. (Anecdotal reports are not scientifically valid data.) The
fact that it is used in race cars only means (1) that the
manufacturer sponsors a race car or (2) that race car owners are
willing to try experimental means if they think it may improve their
performance. Race car drivers are also known to wear a "lucky" piece
of clothing for the same result.

Snake oil? Could be -- The stuff might work, but no real proof is
provided. Diesel use also appears to be rather poorly documented,
even on the manufacturer's web site. Personally, I wouldn't want to
experiment on an engine that might cost $20,000 to rebuild if it
causes a problem.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...

On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:

> It is supposed to extend engine life, reduce friction, decrease
> heat, increase oil pressure etc. It is some type of fluoropolymer
> that coats moving engine parts. It apparantly is extensively used
> in racing. It is expensive. $28.00/qt. It must be good. lol I
> thought I would try it in my Dodge on a long trip to California
> next week and see if it increases my fuel milage. That is all I
> have been able to learn. It also states it can be used in diesel
> engines.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> Royale Conversion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: truitt44@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
>
>
> Leroy,
> Tell us more about it. Just what is it suppose to do.
> Howard T., Sowega, Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
>>
>> From: "Leroy Eckert"
>> Date: 2007/07/26 Thu PM 02:28:10 EDT
>> To:
>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Polydyn TX7
>>
>> Has anyone used this stuff before. I just put some in my Cummins
>> engine and I swear it increased oil pressure. Or is it snake oil?
>> http://www.polydyn.com/tx7.htm
>> Leroy Eckert
>> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>> Niceville, FL
>> Royale Conversion
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