86 PT38 for sale

[Joyce and Richard Hayden]

I agree with a lot of what was said on this subject, but I also hear a bit about what Greg was proposing.At least Ithink I do. I believe he's saying, if you want to sell your RV at above market price (or at it) you might want to consider sweetening thedeal a little by offering some kind of warranty against future engine or tranny problems for up to 6 months. In other words, ifa bus your age is going for 75K and you are asking 80K you might want tooffer a $5000 Warranty against any of those two problems withina 6 month time frame. Even if you had to pay it you'd still be getting a good price for your RV and would also be assuring the buyer that you believe your bus is invery goodshape. If the buyer wanted to negotiate with you for a lower price then I would think that the warranty would be the first thing to go. Just my thought and 2 cents worth...

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA (currently near Corning, CA on our way home)

----- Original Message -----

From: "nytexcel@yahoo.com"

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:31 AM

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38 for sale

In my opinion, all extended warranty's are bad. They're just insurance. And all insurance is bad. It's all just gambling. Anytime you buy ins you're just betting against the house. The ins company knows what they're doing, they're not stupid. It's a simple mathematical game of odds. They always win in the long term. Have you ever seen an ins building? `Hundreds of millions of dollars, and all paid for. Once you've paid your premiums, and then have a need, you have to beg them to help you, only to find another little clause that exempts their responsibilities again. It's always better to keep our money in the bank, growing. Then have the money to fix what we want, when we want, how we want. Just my 2 cents worth of a rant!

Fred Bellows
90SP Queen Creek, AZ (basically Phx)
"Maunder Maximum"
http://picasaweb.google.com/geefred/MaunderMaximum#

[timvasqz]

Yes. I buy bobcat tractors for $60,000 then beat them against rocks until the
front ends fall off. In 3 years they are worth 30 grand to someone but the
buyer may be buying nothing but problems for which I truly know nothing about.
I give operation instruction and a second 10grand warranty at which point I ask
35 grand for the tractor. if the new owner has a $20,000 repair during the
warranty period I give up 10 grand (16,000 repair I give up 6,000 ; 35,000
repair I give up 10,000). that way he is not at a total loss and I never have to
worry that I sold someone something without value. A second 5 grand warranty
bears more risk of occurrence but less outlay. second amount ensures owner will
participate in an unintended repair and share the cost of a failure. sharing the
cost of a failure is part of buying used products.

It doesn't matter if it was operator error much unless it was intentional. that
you can avoid by picking he buyer. some one looking to cheat you on a warranty
will most likely take a price cut in lue of a warranty anyway.

the retort will display how unique a offer is and how much value the offer adds
to the product. I don't believe a dishonest person would offer one because they
are running from known issues.
Greg of Tim&Greg
94ptCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Joyce and Richard Hayden"
wrote:
>
> I agree with a lot of what was said on this subject, but I also hear a bit
about what Greg was proposing. At least I think I do. I believe he's saying,
if you want to sell your RV at above market price (or at it) you might want to
consider sweetening the deal a little by offering some kind of warranty against
future engine or tranny problems for up to 6 months. In other words, if a bus
your age is going for 75K and you are asking 80K you might want to offer a $5000
Warranty against any of those two problems within a 6 month time frame. Even if
you had to pay it you'd still be getting a good price for your RV and would also
be assuring the buyer that you believe your bus is in very good shape. If the
buyer wanted to negotiate with you for a lower price then I would think that the
warranty would be the first thing to go. Just my thought and 2 cents worth...
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA (currently near Corning, CA on our
way home)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Bellows
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:31 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38 for sale
>
>
>
>
>
> In my opinion, all extended warranty's are bad. They're just insurance. And
all insurance is bad. It's all just gambling. Anytime you buy ins you're just
betting against the house. The ins company knows what they're doing, they're not
stupid. It's a simple mathematical game of odds. They always win in the long
term. Have you ever seen an ins building? `Hundreds of millions of dollars, and
all paid for. Once you've paid your premiums, and then have a need, you have to
beg them to help you, only to find another little clause that exempts their
responsibilities again. It's always better to keep our money in the bank,
growing. Then have the money to fix what we want, when we want, how we want.
Just my 2 cents worth of a rant!
>
> Fred Bellows
> 90SP Queen Creek, AZ (basically Phx)
> "Maunder Maximum"
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/geefred/MaunderMaximum#<http://picasaweb.google.com/\
geefred/MaunderMaximum#>
>

[timvasqz]

seller retains all the money. if you wonder how the buyer gets the money back
if an issue arises that too is revealing.
Gregory O'Connor
94ptca--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<scottforman75@...> wrote:
>
> I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k "warranty", I get
40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's say that a year goes by and
there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What guaranties to me that the buyer
is willing or even able topay the extra 10k when the time comes? And beyond
that, how do I know that the buyer takes care of maintenance and does not abuse
the bus? I see your idea as simply unrealistic. But feel free to do it when
you sell your bus some day.
>
> Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my integrity
need to stop.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
> >
> > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an stated
amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would bet
someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year warranty.
and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand. statements like no
warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time. warranties are implied when
you make a statement of condition and sell a product as fit for use.
> >
> > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you get
of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition are not
binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about his/her
product.
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> > 94ptCA
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
> > >
> > > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in their
right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used vehicle. I could
see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can any one of us
possibly warranty an old vehicle?
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > 1988FC35
> > >
> >
>

[Scott Forman]

Greg, you're a dick, and people like you ruin good places like this. You have
no right no make these veiled accusations towards me. I am sorry of the guy who
bought my coach had trouble. He bought a 25-year-old mechanical device. If we,
as owners, are supposed to be able to forecast when our buses will break down,
how come so many of us have problems that we need to come here and talk about?
Shouldn't we be able to prevent every problem before it ever happens?

Some day, your bus will break, and you will need some help. I hope no one here
helps you.

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
>
> seller retains all the money. if you wonder how the buyer gets the money back
if an issue arises that too is revealing.
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptca--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@>
wrote:
> >
> > I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k "warranty", I
get 40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's say that a year goes by
and there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What guaranties to me that the
buyer is willing or even able topay the extra 10k when the time comes? And
beyond that, how do I know that the buyer takes care of maintenance and does not
abuse the bus? I see your idea as simply unrealistic. But feel free to do it
when you sell your bus some day.
> >
> > Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my
integrity need to stop.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an
stated amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would bet
someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year warranty.
and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand. statements like no
warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time. warranties are implied when
you make a statement of condition and sell a product as fit for use.
> > >
> > > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you get
of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition are not
binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about his/her
product.
> > >
> > > Gregory O'Connor
> > > 94ptCA
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in
their right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used vehicle. I
could see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can any one of us
possibly warranty an old vehicle?
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > 1988FC35
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Dan Williams]

Greg, I have met Scott. He is an
honorable person who shares our enthusiasm for Wanderlodges. I don’t
think he misrepresents anything. You should get off of his case.

Regards, Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS

---

From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz

Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009
6:18 PM

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86
PT38 for sale

seller retains all the money. if you wonder how the
buyer gets the money back if an issue arises that too is revealing.

Gregory O'Connor

94ptca--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com",
"Scott Forman" <scottforman75@<wbr>...> wrote:

>

> I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k
"warranty", I get 40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's
say that a year goes by and there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What
guaranties to me that the buyer is willing or even able topay the extra 10k
when the time comes? And beyond that, how do I know that the buyer takes care
of maintenance and does not abuse the bus? I see your idea as simply
unrealistic. But feel free to do it when you sell your bus some day.

>

> Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my
integrity need to stop.

>

> Scott

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com",
"timvasqz" wrote:

> >

> > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an
stated amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would bet
someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year warranty.
and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand. statements like no
warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time. warranties are implied when
you make a statement of condition and sell a product as fit for use.

> >

> > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description
you get of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition
are not binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about
his/her product.

> >

> > Gregory O'Connor

> > 94ptCA

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com",
"birdshill123" > wrote:

> > >

> > > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in their right
mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used vehicle. I could see
buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can any one of us possibly
warranty an old vehicle?

> > >

> > > Bruce

> > >

> > > 1988FC35

> > >

> >

>

[Bill Garamella]

I met Scott and had an opportunity to look through his 86 PT 38 this past
January. This is one of the cleanest coaches I have seen... of any vintage. He
even built a nice dedicated pad and fenced corral for the BIrd.

I did not drive it or ride in it, so I cannot comment from that perspective.
However, there was a very obvious pride of ownership. At the time, based on his
enthusiasm for it, I suspect selling this Bird was the last thing on his mind.

Scott, sorry you have to have to let her go.

Bill 1983 FC "Casa Billisa"



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" wrote:
>
> Greg, I have met Scott. He is an honorable person who shares our enthusiasm
> for Wanderlodges. I don't think he misrepresents anything. You should get
> off of his case.
>
> Regards, Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:18 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38 for sale
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> seller retains all the money. if you wonder how the buyer gets the money
> back if an issue arises that too is revealing.
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptca--- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@> wrote:
> >
> > I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k "warranty", I
> get 40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's say that a year goes by
> and there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What guaranties to me that the
> buyer is willing or even able topay the extra 10k when the time comes? And
> beyond that, how do I know that the buyer takes care of maintenance and does
> not abuse the bus? I see your idea as simply unrealistic. But feel free to
> do it when you sell your bus some day.
> >
> > Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my
> integrity need to stop.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an
> stated amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would
> bet someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year
> warranty. and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand.
> statements like no warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time.
> warranties are implied when you make a statement of condition and sell a
> product as fit for use.
> > >
> > > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you
> get of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition
> are not binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about
> his/her product.
> > >
> > > Gregory O'Connor
> > > 94ptCA
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in
> their right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used
> vehicle. I could see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can
> any one of us possibly warranty an old vehicle?
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > 1988FC35
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[drw907]

Greg loves to tell others how to live, how to conduct business, and to criticize
others. He has irrated many many Bird owners over the past few years, and has
been removed from almost every forum. Even here, he now has to use Tim's
account to post.



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" wrote:
>
> Greg, I have met Scott. He is an honorable person who shares our enthusiasm
> for Wanderlodges. I don't think he misrepresents anything. You should get
> off of his case.
>
> Regards, Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:18 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38 for sale
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> seller retains all the money. if you wonder how the buyer gets the money
> back if an issue arises that too is revealing.
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptca--- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@> wrote:
> >
> > I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k "warranty", I
> get 40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's say that a year goes by
> and there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What guaranties to me that the
> buyer is willing or even able topay the extra 10k when the time comes? And
> beyond that, how do I know that the buyer takes care of maintenance and does
> not abuse the bus? I see your idea as simply unrealistic. But feel free to
> do it when you sell your bus some day.
> >
> > Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my
> integrity need to stop.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an
> stated amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would
> bet someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year
> warranty. and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand.
> statements like no warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time.
> warranties are implied when you make a statement of condition and sell a
> product as fit for use.
> > >
> > > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you
> get of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition
> are not binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about
> his/her product.
> > >
> > > Gregory O'Connor
> > > 94ptCA
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in
> their right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used
> vehicle. I could see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can
> any one of us possibly warranty an old vehicle?
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > 1988FC35
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[mbulriss]

Well, Happy Holiday Weekend! (Yes, read that with some degree of dismay and
unhappiness.)

I guess all of us moderators were trying to enjoy the weekend and get some
downtime.

While I often enjoy a good verbal sparing match, I do not agree with personal
attacks. Normally, we would address this via private emails, but if we behave
like children,....

If you are willing to criticize others, you should be willing to sign your
posts. In fact, a requirement of the forum is to sign all posts.

Greg, Back Off! You contribute a lot of good stuff, but this crap seems to
occur everytime someone posts a coach for sale. Just because someone decides to
sell does not mean that they are automatically trying to deceive would be
buyers.

Scott is a long-time valued member who has contributed much to the forum. He is
always fixing something on his Birds and has contributed many of his tips and
tricks and sources of products. My guess is his stuff is a cut well above
average and would be one of the first I looked at if I were in the market for
that model.

This thread has run its course and is hereby closed.

Thanks for No More Replies to this thread.

Let's get back to fixing Birds. There are outstanding questions out there.

Mike Bulriss - Forum Moderator
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "drw907" wrote:
>
> Greg loves to tell others how to live, how to conduct business, and to
criticize others. He has irrated many many Bird owners over the past few years,
and has been removed from almost every forum. Even here, he now has to use
Tim's account to post.
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" wrote:
> >
> > Greg, I have met Scott. He is an honorable person who shares our enthusiasm
> > for Wanderlodges. I don't think he misrepresents anything. You should get
> > off of his case.
> >
> > Regards, Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz
> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:18 PM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38 for sale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > seller retains all the money. if you wonder how the buyer gets the money
> > back if an issue arises that too is revealing.
> > Gregory O'Connor
> > 94ptca--- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k "warranty", I
> > get 40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's say that a year goes by
> > and there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What guaranties to me that the
> > buyer is willing or even able topay the extra 10k when the time comes? And
> > beyond that, how do I know that the buyer takes care of maintenance and does
> > not abuse the bus? I see your idea as simply unrealistic. But feel free to
> > do it when you sell your bus some day.
> > >
> > > Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my
> > integrity need to stop.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an
> > stated amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would
> > bet someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year
> > warranty. and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand.
> > statements like no warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time.
> > warranties are implied when you make a statement of condition and sell a
> > product as fit for use.
> > > >
> > > > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you
> > get of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition
> > are not binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about
> > his/her product.
> > > >
> > > > Gregory O'Connor
> > > > 94ptCA
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in
> > their right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used
> > vehicle. I could see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can
> > any one of us possibly warranty an old vehicle?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce
> > > > >
> > > > > 1988FC35
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Bob Lawrence]

Well said, Mike.
By the way....Happy Easter!

Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Los Fresnos, Tx (Leaving tomorrow)

> Well, Happy Holiday Weekend! (Yes, read that with some degree of dismay and
unhappiness.)
>
> I guess all of us moderators were trying to enjoy the weekend and get some
downtime.
>
> While I often enjoy a good verbal sparing match, I do not agree with personal
attacks. Normally, we would address this via private emails, but if we behave
like children,....
>
> If you are willing to criticize others, you should be willing to sign your
posts. In fact, a requirement of the forum is to sign all posts.
>
> Greg, Back Off! You contribute a lot of good stuff, but this crap seems to
occur everytime someone posts a coach for sale. Just because someone decides to
sell does not mean that they are automatically trying to deceive would be
buyers.
>
> Scott is a long-time valued member who has contributed much to the forum. He
is always fixing something on his Birds and has contributed many of his tips and
tricks and sources of products. My guess is his stuff is a cut well above
average and would be one of the first I looked at if I were in the market for
that model.
>
> This thread has run its course and is hereby closed.
>
> Thanks for No More Replies to this thread.
>
> Let's get back to fixing Birds. There are outstanding questions out there.
>
> Mike Bulriss - Forum Moderator
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "drw907" wrote:
> >
> > Greg loves to tell others how to live, how to conduct business, and to
criticize others. He has irrated many many Bird owners over the past few years,
and has been removed from almost every forum. Even here, he now has to use
Tim's account to post.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" wrote:
> > >
> > > Greg, I have met Scott. He is an honorable person who shares our
enthusiasm
> > > for Wanderlodges. I don't think he misrepresents anything. You should
get
> > > off of his case.
> > >
> > > Regards, Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:18 PM
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38 for sale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > seller retains all the money. if you wonder how the buyer gets the money
> > > back if an issue arises that too is revealing.
> > > Gregory O'Connor
> > > 94ptca--- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > > yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k "warranty",
I
> > > get 40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's say that a year goes
by
> > > and there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What guaranties to me that
the
> > > buyer is willing or even able topay the extra 10k when the time comes? And
> > > beyond that, how do I know that the buyer takes care of maintenance and
does
> > > not abuse the bus? I see your idea as simply unrealistic. But feel free to
> > > do it when you sell your bus some day.
> > > >
> > > > Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my
> > > integrity need to stop.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > > yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an
> > > stated amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I
would
> > > bet someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year
> > > warranty. and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand.
> > > statements like no warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time.
> > > warranties are implied when you make a statement of condition and sell a
> > > product as fit for use.
> > > > >
> > > > > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you
> > > get of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition
> > > are not binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about
> > > his/her product.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gregory O'Connor
> > > > > 94ptCA
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > > yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in
> > > their right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used
> > > vehicle. I could see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how
can
> > > any one of us possibly warranty an old vehicle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bruce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1988FC35
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Al Scudder]

Scott, I am not in the market for another Bird but I would like some info on your train whistle. Is it a freight train whistle or european whistle, Brand? ect would be helpful. I have been wanting and locking into WOJO Horns at 143db that are a freight train type that you see on some show trucks

Scooter 2000LX Ocqueoc, MI

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: scottforman75@...
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:19:54 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38 for sale

If anyone is interested or knows a wannabe, here is my "full" ad.

For more than 40 years, the Blue Bird Corporation produced the Wanderlodge, one of the world's finest factory hand-built motor coaches. Constructed from galvanized steel (NO fiberglass!) on Blue Bird's own bus chassis, the Wanderlodge is the only motorhome to have ever received a roll-over rating from the Federal Government. These `Birds can be serviced at virtually any diesel shop nationwide and have legendary engineering and reliability. For more information about Blue Bird history and features, please visit http://www.VintageBirds.com.

Offered here is a 1986 Wanderlodge PT38 (Pusher, Tag axle) 38 foot vintage motorcoach. This coach has been lovingly maintained by a Blue Bird fanatic, and features a 475hp turbocharged Detroit Diesel 8v92 engine mated to an Allison 4-speed automatic transmission. Mileage is 130,000, with engine hours of 3,128. The coach has not been substantially modified from its original state, though it does have many functional upgrades. She has been used regularly and is ready to travel. I have all records during my ownership, and the Blue Box with all manuals and engineering drawings is included. I am selling reluctantly because a change in lifestyle means I will not be able to use the bus very often, and she needs to be used. Please note, "Tiger Pride" graphics & logos (vinyl) will be removed before you take possession.

You may view a photo gallery here:

http://s178.photobucket.com/albums/w259/bluebirdinmemphis/86%20PT38%208v92/

ENGINE

The engine is a workhorse Detroit Diesel 8v92, with 475 turbocharged horsepower. This bulletproof engine is easily serviced across the nation and provides tremendous performance, this bus will cruise as fast as your courage will allow. The engine cranks over instantly and runs very smooth. Maintenance has been handled professionally at G&W Diesel Service in Memphis. Repairs & maintenance performed:
• Radiator re-cored and all hoses replaced
• Starter rebuilt
• Alternator replaced by previous owner
• Injector crossovers checked (common problem, leads fuel leaking into oil)-no problem
• Air compressor coolant hoses replaced-these are commonly neglected and hard to get to, a failure will drain the cooling system and destroy the engine.
• Air box drain valves replaced
• Turbo air modulator replaced
• Exhaust system replaced by previous owner. Please note: exhaust is currently straight pipes with no muffler. Included with the bus is a brand new muffler still in the box if you decided the current set-up is too loud

TRANSMISSION

Allison 4-speed automatic transmission with push button control and driveline retarder, shifts smooth and has no known problems. Repairs & maintenance performed:
• All hydraulic lines & fittings for transmission & retarder replaced
• U-joint replaced
• Plastic vibration coating on make drive shaft gear replaced
• Full internal inspection by Allison trained tech

BRAKES

Full air brakes, with no known issues.

SUSPENSION

Full airbag suspension, two bags per wheel. Bus floats down the road on a cushion of air. The system functions as it should, does not lean, and will hold air for a couple of days after shutdown-no leaks. Dump valves also function properly. Two spare airbags are included.

TIRES

All 8 12R-22.5 tires are in good condition with acceptable DOT dates and no cracking. A spare aluminum rim is included if you wish to mount & carry a spare.

GENERATOR

12.5 KW Yanmar/Kohler genset with 2,395 hours. Unit performs flawlessly. Repairs & maintenance performed:
• Generator head unit completely rebuilt, including bearings, exciter ring, brushes, springs, etc
• Generator radiator re-cored
• Engine vibration mounts replaced
• Lower radiator hose replaced (upper fine)
• Original radiator fan replaced with modern Hayden fan, greatly reducing noise and vibration inside and outside the coach
• Pre-heat solenoid replaced
• Slide-out tray is electric rather than air, no need to "air up" the coach to open the generator compartment
• Three-piece vertical generator exhaust included

EXTERIOR

The coach was repainted shortly before I purchased her, having been stripped down to bare metal (I have pictures). It was repainted in the factory colors and pattern. All exterior bright trim, lights, and window awnings were also replaced at that time. The previous owner claims the work cost him $30,000, and I can believe it. The exterior is beautiful. Other details:
• Upgraded headlight system-includes modern Bosch relays.
• Polished aluminum wheels
• Two remote spotlights on roof (one inoperative)
• 180db train whistle
• Musical horn
• Full diamond-plate roof
• Large roof storage pod, water-tight
• Full awning package, all in good condition
• Air operated entry step
• Large pass-through basement storage.
• Outside entertainment center including TV, stereo, CD changer, and Sony Wii.

INTERIOR

The interior is in excellent condition and quite roomy. Here are the high points:

Lounge:
• Flexsteel leather pilot/co-pilot chairs
• Sleeper soft and two leather barrel chairs
• Modern TV mounted in front overhead
• King-Dome automatic satellite system
• Electric drapes
• Lighted curio cabinet

Kitchen:
• Corian counters and sink
• Spice Rack
• Insta-Hot water
• Nu-tone blender
• 2-burner stove
• Convection oven
• 2-way refir
• U-Line Ice Maker
• Corian dinette table
• Safe
• Marble floor
• Thermostatically controlled fantastic fan
• Tons of storage in aircraft-quality cabinets and drawers

Bathroom:
• New Thetford toilet
• Full-size shower
• Lots of mirrors and cabinets
• Marble Floor
• 10-gallon hot water heater

Bedroom:
• Twin beds
• Electric drapes
• LCD TV
• Two full-length closets
• Central Vac System w/ attachments for entire coach
• Lots of drawers and cabinets
• Shirt closets and other storage across rear
• Thermostatically controlled fantastic fan

Other Interior Features:
• Musical doorbell
• Four thermostatically controlled circulating heaters to provide over-the-road heating from engine coolant
• Three roof A/C's with heat strips
• Electric heaters throughout coach
• Three propane furnaces
• Aircraft-style overhead storage throughout
• 1500 watt inverter
• Intercom from bedroom to driver
• Fluorescent lighting throughout

ELECTRICAL

In addition to the generator, the coach electrical system includes the following:

• 1500 watt inverter
• Six deep-cycle golf cart batteries, plus separate automotive battery for generator
• Modern Xantrex True Charge batter charger-no more "boiling" the batteries
• Automatic marine switch allows generator battery to be charged with coach batteries, but not discharged
• All original 30-amp and 50-amp electrical cords included

MISC

• HWH Leveling System works properly
• 300 gallon diesel tank (and it's full)
• Rear view monitor has new wireless IR color camera feeding new LCD screen mounted in original location
• Working cruise control
• Satellite radio
• Electroluminiscent dash
• Wanderlodge electronic monitors work, include the voice-prompt Digitel

THE PROJECT LIST

As with any 20+ year old vehicle, there are a few things that aren't "perfect". In the interest of full disclosure, here's what doesn't work:
• The center propane heater doesn't work. I have never investigated why, as I prefer to use the other heaters
• The Pyrometer (exhaust temp gauge) doesn't work, also never investigated
• The dash A/C is inoperative. This is common on Blue Birds. Some of the overhead parts were removed when the new TV was mounted. The coach gets plenty cool up front by using the front roof air.
I believe that is it. Everything else is in working order.

THE FINE PRINT

As you would expect on a 20+-year-old vehicle, no warranty is expressed or implied. I have represented the vehicle in what I feel is an honest fashion through words and pictures. Winning bidder is responsible for pick up in Memphis, TN. If you so desire, I am happy to help you arrange storage in Memphis subsequent to your purchase, at your expense, if you will be delayed in picking up the coach. A 10% deposit will be required to hold the coach, balance due in certified funds at possession. Coach is advertised locally, seller reserves the right to end this auction early. I have set a fair reserve price and will not reveal it ahead of time. You are welcome to call me with any questions at (901) 230-4707, my name is Scott.

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@<WBR>...> wrote:
>
> With a heavy heart, I am offering my '86 PT38 for sale. I do not "want" to sell her, but my circumstances have changed and I just wont be able to use the coach enough to justify holding on to it.
>
> '86 PT38, 8v92. Blue/gray/siler colors. 130k miles. Meticulously maintained and ready to travel. I have not yet taken the time to write out my "official" ad with the list of features and everything that has been done, but I will do so soon so drop me a note to the email below if you are interested. I am fanatical about my bus and it is clean as a whistle. Some members of this forum have seen my bus, maybe they will chime in as to how it looks. I am not trying very hard at marketing it right now, but I will pick up the pace eventually. I would love for the coach to go to someone here who will love her the way I do.
>
> I do have a photo album here:
>
> http://s178.photobucket.com/albums/w259/bluebirdinmemphis/86%20PT38%208v92/
>
> I am asking $55,000 and will negotiate. I feel this is a very reasonable asking price for a coach in this condition. I will consider interesting collectible car trades.
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Memphis
> scottforman75@...
>