Back Up System Help

[Dan Leftwich]

I am replacing the video camera and monitor in my 87 FC. I have a
friend of a friend who got me a Honeywell High Res. Miniature Color
Camera with a 2.7-13.5 Auto Iris Lens. He says that the camera needs
very little light to function and has a b/w night function. I then got
a 6.8” LCD Safety Vision Monitor (HYPERLINK
"http://www.safetyvision.com/en/cms/?17"http://www.safetyvision.com/en/c
ms/?17). I bought this unit because of a number of reasons. Primarily
they were size, remote, and the mirror function.

I set the system up and came upon a stumbling point. That is the
monitor will not function in the mirror image unless it has a Safety
Vision camera hooked up to it. In other words it will not reverse the
image if you have mirror function selected. This has got me. I thought
I had researched this fully and now the tech department says I will need
a Safety Vision camera. I called Honeywell tech department and they say
that the polarity must be switched. I asked him if it were something I
could do and the answer was no.

I’ve spent hours on the net looking for some answer but have come up
with nothing. I have read most if not all the posts on the Wanderlodge
sites and the only thing that is discussed is reversing the image on a
system with a CRT screen.

So my question is how do you go about reversing the image for a LCD
screen? Blair or anyone’s help will be much appreciated.

Dan Leftwich
87 35FC Somers NY

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[Jeff Miller]

I don't understand why it needs their camera to do it, sounds fishy.

The LCD monitor must have the reverse/mirror functions built in to
the monitor to reverse, can't be done by reversing a couple of wires
like a CRT can. LCD monitors and chip cameras work using pixel-
mapping, the reverse is done by software. It is possible that the
camera in that system does the reverse-image, not the monitor?

What is wrong with your original monitor? I am interested in it if
you're not keeping it. Otherwise consider using the new camera with
the old monitor.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dan Leftwich
wrote:
>
> I am replacing the video camera and monitor in my 87 FC. I have a
> friend of a friend who got me a Honeywell High Res. Miniature Color
> Camera with a 2.7-13.5 Auto Iris Lens. He says that the camera
needs
> very little light to function and has a b/w night function. I then
got
> a 6.8" LCD Safety Vision Monitor (HYPERLINK
> "http://www.safetyvision.com/en/cms/?
17"http://www.safetyvision.com/en/c
> ms/?17). I bought this unit because of a number of reasons.
Primarily
> they were size, remote, and the mirror function.
>
> I set the system up and came upon a stumbling point. That is the
> monitor will not function in the mirror image unless it has a Safety
> Vision camera hooked up to it. In other words it will not reverse
the
> image if you have mirror function selected. This has got me. I
thought
> I had researched this fully and now the tech department says I will
need
> a Safety Vision camera. I called Honeywell tech department and
they say
> that the polarity must be switched. I asked him if it were
something I
> could do and the answer was no.
>
> I've spent hours on the net looking for some answer but have come up
> with nothing. I have read most if not all the posts on the
Wanderlodge
> sites and the only thing that is discussed is reversing the image
on a
> system with a CRT screen.
>
> So my question is how do you go about reversing the image for a LCD
> screen? Blair or anyone's help will be much appreciated.
>
> Dan Leftwich
> 87 35FC Somers NY
>
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[Dan Leftwich]

Thanks for the response Jeff.

I gave the tech guy from Safety Vision a call late today to further have
him explain how the Safety Vision system works. He said the monitor
does the reversing of the image but works in conjunction with the camera
that reverses the polarity through the use of magnets. Don’t know if I
completely understand this but I guess it sounds plausible. He said
that you just need to make sure that you have a camera that does this.
He said there were cameras on the market that do this other than Safety
Vision. I don’t think I have ever come across one though.

Just for interest look at the top of pg. 2 at HYPERLINK
"http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...-001_3.pdf
"http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...-001_3.pdf

I’m going to have the guy who got me the Honeywell camera stop by to see
what he thinks. He is an installer for home and commercial alarms.
Hopefully he will be able to address the problem.

The old monitor was working when I took it out. I used some of the
brackets for the new system that held the CRT monitor together. I might
need the monitor but if I do not I will drop you a line. I have the
rear b/w camera too.

Regards,
Dan Leftwich
87 35FC Somers NY

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[Jeff Miller]

LOL
I think that the tech support person knows nothing.

My take from the manual pages is that the lettering on the camera was
poorly translated from Korean or Chinese, and says "Magnetic"
and "Non-Magnetic" instead of "Mirrored" and "Non-Mirrored" so the
manual is trying to explain the correct switch positions. In a CRT
(not LCD) the horizontal and vertical deflection is magnetic, either
mirrored or normal, might be where the Chinese got confused, I've
seen lots of botched manual translations.

It appears that the monitor does the image-reverse, and is signaled
by the switch on the camera and utilizes an extra wire in the DIN
cable.

The signal is probably GND or +5v, could also be +12v / GND, but
without knowing which it is difficult to reverse the image manually.
Perhaps another tech support person will know more.

Again, the image in an LCD monitor can't be reversed magnetically,
they are unaffected by reasonable amounts of magnetic energy (unlike
CRTs), it will have to be reversed by a built-in software switch to
do the pixel-mapping backwards (which it apparently has if you can
figure out what the signal voltage needs to be).

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dan Leftwich
wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response Jeff.
>
> I gave the tech guy from Safety Vision a call late today to further
have
> him explain how the Safety Vision system works. He said the monitor
> does the reversing of the image but works in conjunction with the
camera
> that reverses the polarity through the use of magnets. Don't know
if I
> completely understand this but I guess it sounds plausible. He said
> that you just need to make sure that you have a camera that does
this.
> He said there were cameras on the market that do this other than
Safety
> Vision. I don't think I have ever come across one though.
>
> Just for interest look at the top of pg. 2 at HYPERLINK
> "http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...20CKITQIG-
001_3.pdf
> "http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...20CKITQIG-
001_3.pdf
>
> I'm going to have the guy who got me the Honeywell camera stop by
to see
> what he thinks. He is an installer for home and commercial alarms.
> Hopefully he will be able to address the problem.
>
> The old monitor was working when I took it out. I used some of the
> brackets for the new system that held the CRT monitor together. I
might
> need the monitor but if I do not I will drop you a line. I have the
> rear b/w camera too.
>
> Regards,
> Dan Leftwich
> 87 35FC Somers NY
>
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>

[Jeff Miller]

As an addendum, probably the lowest risk experiment (lowest, not
without risk) would be to ground that pin and see if the image
reverses.

- Jeff Miller
still in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
wrote:
>
> LOL
> I think that the tech support person knows nothing.
>
> My take from the manual pages is that the lettering on the camera
was
> poorly translated from Korean or Chinese, and says "Magnetic"
> and "Non-Magnetic" instead of "Mirrored" and "Non-Mirrored" so the
> manual is trying to explain the correct switch positions. In a CRT
> (not LCD) the horizontal and vertical deflection is magnetic,
either
> mirrored or normal, might be where the Chinese got confused, I've
> seen lots of botched manual translations.
>
> It appears that the monitor does the image-reverse, and is signaled
> by the switch on the camera and utilizes an extra wire in the DIN
> cable.
>
> The signal is probably GND or +5v, could also be +12v / GND, but
> without knowing which it is difficult to reverse the image
manually.
> Perhaps another tech support person will know more.
>
> Again, the image in an LCD monitor can't be reversed magnetically,
> they are unaffected by reasonable amounts of magnetic energy
(unlike
> CRTs), it will have to be reversed by a built-in software switch to
> do the pixel-mapping backwards (which it apparently has if you can
> figure out what the signal voltage needs to be).
>
> - Jeff Miller
> in Holland, MI
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dan Leftwich

> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the response Jeff.
> >
> > I gave the tech guy from Safety Vision a call late today to
further
> have
> > him explain how the Safety Vision system works. He said the
monitor
> > does the reversing of the image but works in conjunction with the
> camera
> > that reverses the polarity through the use of magnets. Don't
know
> if I
> > completely understand this but I guess it sounds plausible. He
said
> > that you just need to make sure that you have a camera that does
> this.
> > He said there were cameras on the market that do this other than
> Safety
> > Vision. I don't think I have ever come across one though.
> >
> > Just for interest look at the top of pg. 2 at HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...20CKITQIG-
> 001_3.pdf
> > "http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...20CKITQIG-
> 001_3.pdf
> >
> > I'm going to have the guy who got me the Honeywell camera stop by
> to see
> > what he thinks. He is an installer for home and commercial
alarms.
> > Hopefully he will be able to address the problem.
> >
> > The old monitor was working when I took it out. I used some of
the
> > brackets for the new system that held the CRT monitor together.
I
> might
> > need the monitor but if I do not I will drop you a line. I have
the
> > rear b/w camera too.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dan Leftwich
> > 87 35FC Somers NY
> >
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[Dan Leftwich]

Thank You Jeff for explaining this to me.

I found a diagram in the manual which proves to be semi helpful. You
are correct in saying that there is a pin in the 4 pin multi connector
that is responsible for the mir/nor signal. I tried grounding that line
out but saw no change in the signal. I will attempt this again because
it is easiest and more importantly safest.

My next attempt will be adding power to that pin but am not sure how to
get 5V. I imagine I will connect it to power with a 5 amp fuse in line.
How does one get 5 volt power source? Also how do you get at
+12V/Ground? I know how to get a +12V.

Dan Leftwich
87 35FC













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[Jeff Miller]

By +12v/Gnd I meant either +12v or Gnd. Most likely the switch is
made by +12, Gnd, or +5v.

+5v is used often in logic circuits, it would be created in the
camera. If +5v is not needed inside the camera, it would not output
+5v, and then the most likely (IMO) signal would be +12v.

For logic/semiconductor circuits it is unlikely that a 5amp fuse will
protect it from a dead-short. Something like 5ma or less (fast-blow)
might (.005a). Your odds are good IMO, but not 100%.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dan Leftwich
wrote:
>
> Thank You Jeff for explaining this to me.
>
> I found a diagram in the manual which proves to be semi helpful.
You
> are correct in saying that there is a pin in the 4 pin multi
connector
> that is responsible for the mir/nor signal. I tried grounding that
line
> out but saw no change in the signal. I will attempt this again
because
> it is easiest and more importantly safest.
>
> My next attempt will be adding power to that pin but am not sure
how to
> get 5V. I imagine I will connect it to power with a 5 amp fuse in
line.
> How does one get 5 volt power source? Also how do you get at
> +12V/Ground? I know how to get a +12V.
>
> Dan Leftwich
> 87 35FC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 1/4/2006
>
>
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>

[thomas nihart]

use a resistor to your 5 volt, not a fuse. Try a 20k to start

Jeff Miller wrote: By +12v/Gnd I meant either +12v or Gnd.
Most likely the switch is
made by +12, Gnd, or +5v.

+5v is used often in logic circuits, it would be created in the
camera. If +5v is not needed inside the camera, it would not output
+5v, and then the most likely (IMO) signal would be +12v.

For logic/semiconductor circuits it is unlikely that a 5amp fuse will
protect it from a dead-short. Something like 5ma or less (fast-blow)
might (.005a). Your odds are good IMO, but not 100%.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dan Leftwich
wrote:
>
> Thank You Jeff for explaining this to me.
>
> I found a diagram in the manual which proves to be semi helpful.
You
> are correct in saying that there is a pin in the 4 pin multi
connector
> that is responsible for the mir/nor signal. I tried grounding that
line
> out but saw no change in the signal. I will attempt this again
because
> it is easiest and more importantly safest.
>
> My next attempt will be adding power to that pin but am not sure
how to
> get 5V. I imagine I will connect it to power with a 5 amp fuse in
line.
> How does one get 5 volt power source? Also how do you get at
> +12V/Ground? I know how to get a +12V.
>
> Dan Leftwich
> 87 35FC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>
>
>
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>






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[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---JEFF:
I read most of your replys and am usually always impressed...I just
have one question????? When do you sleep??? LOL
Regards,
Hank Hannigan & Naty
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In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
wrote:
>
> LOL
> I think that the tech support person knows nothing.
>
> My take from the manual pages is that the lettering on the camera
was
> poorly translated from Korean or Chinese, and says "Magnetic"
> and "Non-Magnetic" instead of "Mirrored" and "Non-Mirrored" so the
> manual is trying to explain the correct switch positions. In a CRT
> (not LCD) the horizontal and vertical deflection is magnetic,
either
> mirrored or normal, might be where the Chinese got confused, I've
> seen lots of botched manual translations.
>
> It appears that the monitor does the image-reverse, and is
signaled
> by the switch on the camera and utilizes an extra wire in the DIN
> cable.
>
> The signal is probably GND or +5v, could also be +12v / GND, but
> without knowing which it is difficult to reverse the image
manually.
> Perhaps another tech support person will know more.
>
> Again, the image in an LCD monitor can't be reversed magnetically,
> they are unaffected by reasonable amounts of magnetic energy
(unlike
> CRTs), it will have to be reversed by a built-in software switch
to
> do the pixel-mapping backwards (which it apparently has if you can
> figure out what the signal voltage needs to be).
>
> - Jeff Miller
> in Holland, MI
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dan Leftwich

> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the response Jeff.
> >
> > I gave the tech guy from Safety Vision a call late today to
further
> have
> > him explain how the Safety Vision system works. He said the
monitor
> > does the reversing of the image but works in conjunction with
the
> camera
> > that reverses the polarity through the use of magnets. Don't
know
> if I
> > completely understand this but I guess it sounds plausible. He
said
> > that you just need to make sure that you have a camera that does
> this.
> > He said there were cameras on the market that do this other than
> Safety
> > Vision. I don't think I have ever come across one though.
> >
> > Just for interest look at the top of pg. 2 at HYPERLINK
> > "http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...20CKITQIG-
> 001_3.pdf
> > "http://www.safetyvision.com/attachments/...20CKITQIG-
> 001_3.pdf
> >
> > I'm going to have the guy who got me the Honeywell camera stop
by
> to see
> > what he thinks. He is an installer for home and commercial
alarms.
> > Hopefully he will be able to address the problem.
> >
> > The old monitor was working when I took it out. I used some of
the
> > brackets for the new system that held the CRT monitor together.
I
> might
> > need the monitor but if I do not I will drop you a line. I have
the
> > rear b/w camera too.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dan Leftwich
> > 87 35FC Somers NY
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date:
> > 1/3/2006
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>