a few quick BB questions

[birdshill123]

Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP has a
7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline gen. as
well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an option?
Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have never
needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.

Thanks: Bruce

[mbulriss]

Can't really respond to the FC questions, but on the: Why do many BB's
have 3 A/C's? Some reasons include that the 80 models were set up as
separate zones for heating and cooling so you could have different
settings in the bedroom, galley and front of the coach, especially if
the bedroom was closed off while someone was napping. Also, these are
steel bodied coaches - in 100+ degree temps in south Texas in the
summer, 3 ACs cool the entire coach a whole lot better than 2. The
12.5kw genset makes it easy to run all 3 Acs, plus ice maker,
refrig/freezer, microwave, blender, TV, battery chargers when dry
camping in aforementioned heat.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP has a
> 7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline gen. as
> well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an option?
> Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have never
> needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.
>
> Thanks: Bruce
>

[putneyflash@...]

My FC-35 1983 does not have a motor driven generator. the sale booklet says 33
foot and under has 2 AC's and anything over 35 has three AC's. Most Rv's have
hot water heater that is propane fired ours are electric.We need the 12.5 to run
three AC's, water heater, electric heaters,and charge our batteries back in
quick time.

RE BRAKE 1983 FC-35 SB "SAGECOACH" ALBANY,GA.

-------------- Original message from "birdshill123" :
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Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP has a
7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline gen. as
well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an option?
Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have never
needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.

Thanks: Bruce





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[George Witt]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>

Bruce,
You just really don't understand overkill, do you? :o)
I swear, some of the Blue Bird Engineers must have worked on the
space shuttle, they have so many backup systems.
If you have 3 and lose one, it's not a trip-interrupting event.
You also get to have separate temperature controls for different
areas.
Mine has the motor driven generator, I took it out and put in a
Xantex invertor/charger. The motor driven unit was the best
technology available at the time. Many owners update things with that
in mind on the updates, going to the best available when the update is
done.
Blue Bird's engineering motto was: If some is good, more is
better. ;o)
My '81 is still an engineering marvel 25 years later and has many
features even new "other brands" don't have.
We had a little get-together here and had 5 Birds show up. We
all gave tours of our coaches and wowed the group with the cool
features each one had. It's just amazing to see what they put in
these things.
The one thing that stands out to me from a design standpoint is
that it all makes sense and whoever designed these things must have
used them a lot to come up with the neat ideas they had.
One of my favorites is the ladder to the roof. The top bars go
over 5 feet onto the roof. This lets you get horizontal safely before
you hang one leg down searching for that first step on the ladder.
Every other ladder I've seen makes you try to find that step
while precariously perched almost upright with little to hang onto.
The more Birds you look at, the more awed you'll be by the design.

George Witt
81 FC 35
Lincoln, Nebraska


> Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP has a
> 7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline gen. as
> well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an option?
> Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have never
> needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.
>
> Thanks: Bruce
>

[Jon]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt"
<mrdonut12@...> wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
> wrote:
> >
>
> Bruce,
> You just really don't understand overkill, do you? :o)
> I swear, some of the Blue Bird Engineers must have worked on
the
> space shuttle, they have so many backup systems.
> If you have 3 and lose one, it's not a trip-interrupting event.
> You also get to have separate temperature controls for
different
> areas.
> Mine has the motor driven generator, I took it out and put in a
> Xantex invertor/charger. The motor driven unit was the best
> technology available at the time. Many owners update things with
that
> in mind on the updates, going to the best available when the update
is
> done.
> Blue Bird's engineering motto was: If some is good, more is
> better. ;o)
> My '81 is still an engineering marvel 25 years later and has
many
> features even new "other brands" don't have.
> We had a little get-together here and had 5 Birds show up. We
> all gave tours of our coaches and wowed the group with the cool
> features each one had. It's just amazing to see what they put in
> these things.
> The one thing that stands out to me from a design standpoint is
> that it all makes sense and whoever designed these things must have
> used them a lot to come up with the neat ideas they had.
> One of my favorites is the ladder to the roof. The top bars go
> over 5 feet onto the roof. This lets you get horizontal safely
before
> you hang one leg down searching for that first step on the ladder.
> Every other ladder I've seen makes you try to find that step
> while precariously perched almost upright with little to hang onto.
> The more Birds you look at, the more awed you'll be by the
design.
>
> George Witt
> 81 FC 35
> Lincoln, Nebraska
>
>
> > Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP
has a
> > 7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline
gen. as
> > well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an
option?
> > Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have
never
> > needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.
> >
> > Thanks: Bruce
> >

Question? why did they install a telephone in the bathroom? Was it in
case the door got jamed and you couldn't open it from the inside?


Jon Lechich
1978 Wanderlodge
>

[Tom Warner]

Jon sometime in the middle 1970's the GMC motorhome set the worlds
land speed record for motorhome and it still stands for Class A
motorhomes. My understanding is that the motorhome had to be fully
equipped just like it did when it was sold. I believe someone was
sitting on the toilet when it approached 99MPH. Could be that the
Bluebird engineers in all of their genius and wanting a really safe
motorhome wanted to communicate with the person in the "loo" when
they tried to crack that barrier. Could that be possible?

tom warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35
1985 PT40 with a phone in the "loo"

At 08:49 PM 4/2/2006, you wrote:
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt"
><mrdonut12@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
> > wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Bruce,
> > You just really don't understand overkill, do you? :o)
> > I swear, some of the Blue Bird Engineers must have worked on
>the
> > space shuttle, they have so many backup systems.
> > If you have 3 and lose one, it's not a trip-interrupting event.
> > You also get to have separate temperature controls for
>different
> > areas.
> > Mine has the motor driven generator, I took it out and put in a
> > Xantex invertor/charger. The motor driven unit was the best
> > technology available at the time. Many owners update things with
>that
> > in mind on the updates, going to the best available when the update
>is
> > done.
> > Blue Bird's engineering motto was: If some is good, more is
> > better. ;o)
> > My '81 is still an engineering marvel 25 years later and has
>many
> > features even new "other brands" don't have.
> > We had a little get-together here and had 5 Birds show up. We
> > all gave tours of our coaches and wowed the group with the cool
> > features each one had. It's just amazing to see what they put in
> > these things.
> > The one thing that stands out to me from a design standpoint is
> > that it all makes sense and whoever designed these things must have
> > used them a lot to come up with the neat ideas they had.
> > One of my favorites is the ladder to the roof. The top bars go
> > over 5 feet onto the roof. This lets you get horizontal safely
>before
> > you hang one leg down searching for that first step on the ladder.
> > Every other ladder I've seen makes you try to find that step
> > while precariously perched almost upright with little to hang onto.
> > The more Birds you look at, the more awed you'll be by the
>design.
> >
> > George Witt
> > 81 FC 35
> > Lincoln, Nebraska
> >
> >
> > > Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP
>has a
> > > 7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline
>gen. as
> > > well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an
>option?
> > > Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have
>never
> > > needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.
> > >
> > > Thanks: Bruce
> > >
>
>Question? why did they install a telephone in the bathroom? Was it in
>case the door got jamed and you couldn't open it from the inside?
>
>
>Jon Lechich
>1978 Wanderlodge
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[ttikalsky]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP has a
> 7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline gen. as
> well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an option?
> Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have never
> needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.
>
> Thanks: Bruce
>


My previous coach a 1983 Wanderlodge FC 33 had 2 roof A/C's and a
Kohler 7500 gas generator. I know of another 87 FC 35 that has a 8K
diesel Onan generator and 2 roof A/C's.

Troy
1986 Newell 40'

[Blair]

>. I believe someone was
>sitting on the toilet when it approached 99MPH. Could be that the
>Bluebird engineers in all of their genius and wanting a really safe
>motorhome wanted to communicate with the person in the "loo" when
>they tried to crack that barrier. Could that be possible?
>
>tom warner
.
Tom,
At 99 mph? I know bird owners are nuts, but that crazy?
I don't think so......well, maybe Randy...
Blair in Oregon

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[Jon]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> Jon sometime in the middle 1970's the GMC motorhome set the worlds
> land speed record for motorhome and it still stands for Class A
> motorhomes. My understanding is that the motorhome had to be fully
> equipped just like it did when it was sold. I believe someone was
> sitting on the toilet when it approached 99MPH. Could be that the
> Bluebird engineers in all of their genius and wanting a really safe
> motorhome wanted to communicate with the person in the "loo" when
> they tried to crack that barrier. Could that be possible?
>
> tom warner
> Vernon Center,NY
> 1982 FC35
> 1985 PT40 with a phone in the "loo"
>
> At 08:49 PM 4/2/2006, you wrote:
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt"
> ><mrdonut12@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > Bruce,
> > > You just really don't understand overkill, do you? :o)
> > > I swear, some of the Blue Bird Engineers must have worked
on
> >the
> > > space shuttle, they have so many backup systems.
> > > If you have 3 and lose one, it's not a trip-interrupting
event.
> > > You also get to have separate temperature controls for
> >different
> > > areas.
> > > Mine has the motor driven generator, I took it out and put
in a
> > > Xantex invertor/charger. The motor driven unit was the best
> > > technology available at the time. Many owners update things
with
> >that
> > > in mind on the updates, going to the best available when the
update
> >is
> > > done.
> > > Blue Bird's engineering motto was: If some is good, more
is
> > > better. ;o)
> > > My '81 is still an engineering marvel 25 years later and
has
> >many
> > > features even new "other brands" don't have.
> > > We had a little get-together here and had 5 Birds show
up. We
> > > all gave tours of our coaches and wowed the group with the cool
> > > features each one had. It's just amazing to see what they put
in
> > > these things.
> > > The one thing that stands out to me from a design
standpoint is
> > > that it all makes sense and whoever designed these things must
have
> > > used them a lot to come up with the neat ideas they had.
> > > One of my favorites is the ladder to the roof. The top
bars go
> > > over 5 feet onto the roof. This lets you get horizontal safely
> >before
> > > you hang one leg down searching for that first step on the
ladder.
> > > Every other ladder I've seen makes you try to find that
step
> > > while precariously perched almost upright with little to hang
onto.
> > > The more Birds you look at, the more awed you'll be by the
> >design.
> > >
> > > George Witt
> > > 81 FC 35
> > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > >
> > >
> > > > Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder DP
> >has a
> > > > 7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the powerline
> >gen. as
> > > > well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it an
> >option?
> > > > Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have
> >never
> > > > needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks: Bruce
> > > >
> >
> >Question? why did they install a telephone in the bathroom? Was it
in
> >case the door got jamed and you couldn't open it from the inside?
> >
> >
> >Jon Lechich
> >1978 Wanderlodge
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Oh yes and one thing the engineers did forget in that area of
relief was a Bidet for our french owners. Hay that's a great idea
for all those fokes that use that expensive toilet paper made for
motor homes. Why didn't the design engineers think of that? Maybe I
should contact them and ask them why? Jon

[Jon]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> >
> > Jon sometime in the middle 1970's the GMC motorhome set the
worlds
> > land speed record for motorhome and it still stands for Class A
> > motorhomes. My understanding is that the motorhome had to be
fully
> > equipped just like it did when it was sold. I believe someone
was
> > sitting on the toilet when it approached 99MPH. Could be that the
> > Bluebird engineers in all of their genius and wanting a really
safe
> > motorhome wanted to communicate with the person in the "loo" when
> > they tried to crack that barrier. Could that be possible?
> >
> > tom warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35
> > 1985 PT40 with a phone in the "loo"
> >
> > At 08:49 PM 4/2/2006, you wrote:
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt"
> > ><mrdonut12@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bruce,
> > > > You just really don't understand overkill, do you? :o)
> > > > I swear, some of the Blue Bird Engineers must have
worked
> on
> > >the
> > > > space shuttle, they have so many backup systems.
> > > > If you have 3 and lose one, it's not a trip-interrupting
> event.
> > > > You also get to have separate temperature controls for
> > >different
> > > > areas.
> > > > Mine has the motor driven generator, I took it out and
put
> in a
> > > > Xantex invertor/charger. The motor driven unit was the best
> > > > technology available at the time. Many owners update things
> with
> > >that
> > > > in mind on the updates, going to the best available when the
> update
> > >is
> > > > done.
> > > > Blue Bird's engineering motto was: If some is good,
more
> is
> > > > better. ;o)
> > > > My '81 is still an engineering marvel 25 years later and
> has
> > >many
> > > > features even new "other brands" don't have.
> > > > We had a little get-together here and had 5 Birds show
> up. We
> > > > all gave tours of our coaches and wowed the group with the
cool
> > > > features each one had. It's just amazing to see what they
put
> in
> > > > these things.
> > > > The one thing that stands out to me from a design
> standpoint is
> > > > that it all makes sense and whoever designed these things
must
> have
> > > > used them a lot to come up with the neat ideas they had.
> > > > One of my favorites is the ladder to the roof. The top
> bars go
> > > > over 5 feet onto the roof. This lets you get horizontal
safely
> > >before
> > > > you hang one leg down searching for that first step on the
> ladder.
> > > > Every other ladder I've seen makes you try to find that
> step
> > > > while precariously perched almost upright with little to hang
> onto.
> > > > The more Birds you look at, the more awed you'll be by
the
> > >design.
> > > >
> > > > George Witt
> > > > 81 FC 35
> > > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Why do the older FC's have a 12.5 KW generator? Our Bounder
DP
> > >has a
> > > > > 7.5 and it sure seems adequate. Why do they use the
powerline
> > >gen. as
> > > > > well? Did all the FC's use the motor driven gen. or was it
an
> > >option?
> > > > > Why do many BB's have 3 A/C's? Most coaches use 2 and I have
> > >never
> > > > > needed more. I just know that BB had a good reason for more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks: Bruce
> > > > >
> > >
> > >Question? why did they install a telephone in the bathroom? Was
it
> in
> > >case the door got jamed and you couldn't open it from the inside?
> > >
> > >
> > >Jon Lechich
> > >1978 Wanderlodge
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Oh yes and one thing the engineers did forget in that area of
> relief was a Bidet for our french owners. Hay that's a great idea
> for all those fokes that use that expensive toilet paper made for
> motor homes. Why didn't the design engineers think of that? Maybe I
> should contact them and ask them why? Jon

Owell I've got one of these in my motor home and it was not and extra
but an upgrade that I installed.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/1942...C01033.jpg

Jon
Rebel Bird
Bremerton Washington
>