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04-17-2006, 16:11

Tom, a diesel or gasoline engine is an air breathing device. A turbo
charger increases the amount of air it can breath. If the boost pressure
provided is 14.7 PSI, the engine sees instead of the normal one atmosphere
of pressure, two atmospheres. It is, at 14.7PSI of boost, without losses
considerations, now twice the size engine. It does of course as you noted,
take more fuel. The intercooler takes some of the heat out of the intake
air, providing a denser, heavier fuel air mixture. The magic as I see it is
the electronic controls and devices used today to not only lower emissions
but also create more power with less fuel.

Jerry

MS Gulf Coast

Looking for a BB

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[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Warner
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:27 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

Hank thats about what I am getting with my 1982 FC35 with the Cat
3208NA. People forget that turbo chargers and intercoolers do not
make an engine more efficient they allow a denser fuel/air charge to
be pumped into the cylinder. More fuel pumped into the cylinder means
more fuel used. A horsepower increase from 210HP to 300HP in the same
engine can only be realized thru the use of more fuel. There is no
magic involved.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35 (for sale http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan )
1985 PT40

At 09:55 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
>---Mike:
>That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
>consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
>staement and NOT nuts!
>Regards,
>Hank Hannigan
>1990SP36
>
>
>
>
>
>In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
><MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
> >
> > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are methods to
>improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
>keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the power
>to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up FCs
>have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
>acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets better
>mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
>diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
>milage.
> > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm at
>full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power. NAs
>need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
>more fuel to facilitate that.
> > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some REAL
>experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument I'm
>listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your NA,
>average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume you
>have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen for
>fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will even
>get
> > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
>believe
> > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
><http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/>http://s69.photobucke
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>)
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> > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
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> > > wrote:
> > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > >randy dupree
> > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed overdrive
> > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
>start? I've
> > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife and I,
> > >however, I
> > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel mileage
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04-17-2006, 16:28

Jerry the electronic controls on todays diesel engine were installed
to ensure that the engines meet the very stringent emission standards
of today. They have not become more efficient they have become
compliant with the laws at the expense of lowering their
efficiency. They achieve that by creating more heat and thus run at
higher temperatures, and they therefore need better lubricants and
increased maintenance, at the same time of operating at reduced
power. Remember there is always a tradeoff to everything. A gallon
of diesel fuel contains approximately 140,000 BTUs. One horsepower
equals 2545 BTUs per hour. Its easy to see that increased horsepower
is only achieved thru packing more fuel/air mixture into the
cylinders and efficiently exhausting it.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35 for sale ( http://tinyurl.com/zv2on )
1985 PT40

. At 12:11 AM 4/18/2006, you wrote:
>Tom, a diesel or gasoline engine is an air breathing device. A turbo
>charger increases the amount of air it can breath. If the boost pressure
>provided is 14.7 PSI, the engine sees instead of the normal one atmosphere
>of pressure, two atmospheres. It is, at 14.7PSI of boost, without losses
>considerations, now twice the size engine. It does of course as you noted,
>take more fuel. The intercooler takes some of the heat out of the intake
>air, providing a denser, heavier fuel air mixture. The magic as I see it is
>the electronic controls and devices used today to not only lower emissions
>but also create more power with less fuel.
>
>
>
>Jerry
>
>MS Gulf Coast
>
>Looking for a BB
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Warner
>Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:27 PM
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
>
>
>
>Hank thats about what I am getting with my 1982 FC35 with the Cat
>3208NA. People forget that turbo chargers and intercoolers do not
>make an engine more efficient they allow a denser fuel/air charge to
>be pumped into the cylinder. More fuel pumped into the cylinder means
>more fuel used. A horsepower increase from 210HP to 300HP in the same
>engine can only be realized thru the use of more fuel. There is no
>magic involved.
>
>Tom Warner
>Vernon Center,NY
>1982 FC35 (for sale <http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan>http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan )
>1985 PT40
>
>At 09:55 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
> >---Mike:
> >That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
> >consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
> >staement and NOT nuts!
> >Regards,
> >Hank Hannigan
> >1990SP36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> ><MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are methods to
> >improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
> >keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the power
> >to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up FCs
> >have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
> >acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets better
> >mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
> >diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
> >milage.
> > > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm at
> >full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power. NAs
> >need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
> >more fuel to facilitate that.
> > > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some REAL
> >experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument I'm
> >listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your NA,
> >average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume you
> >have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen for
> >fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > > Mike Hohnstein
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tom Warner
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> > >
> > >
> > > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will even
> >get
> > > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
> >believe
> > > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
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> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > > >randy dupree
> > > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed overdrive
> > > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
> >start? I've
> > > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife and I,
> > > >however, I
> > > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel mileage
> >as the 4
> > > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
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---Mike:

You said an NA is "not good at all." I have a Mercedes NA diesel
here in Australia and it is simply great! 4:11 diff and I get great
mileage too.
That ole 210NA CAT is great too!!I bet a lot of guys like their 210
CAT NA's!!

Wish I had my old 77FC33 back!! Simple, 8-9mpg, a "thrill" to
steer and noisy!! and...$100,000 less tied up in it!!
Regards,
Hank Hannigan
1990 SP36 (stored in VEGAS)

In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> And I said level playing field. You want to talk about weight
difference? How about speed? You are comparing apples to oranges
and that IS nuts. NAs are nasty smoky obsolete and over the hill,
at best. A diesel with out a turbo isn't good
> not good at all.
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Henry Jay Hannigan
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:55 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
>
>
> ---Mike:
> That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
> consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
> staement and NOT nuts!
> Regards,
> Hank Hannigan
> 1990SP36
>
>
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are
methods to
> improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
> keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the
power
> to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up
FCs
> have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
> acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets
better
> mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
> diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
> milage.
> > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm
at
> full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power.
NAs
> need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
> more fuel to facilitate that.
> > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some
REAL
> experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument
I'm
> listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your
NA,
> average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume
you
> have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen
for
> fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will
even
> get
> > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
> believe
> > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
> http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/ )
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > wrote:
> > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > >randy dupree
> > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed
overdrive
> > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
> start? I've
> > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife
and I,
> > >however, I
> > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel
mileage
> as the 4
> > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
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04-17-2006, 17:06

I belive there is a diffrence in lenght and weight between the two
coaches, kind of like apples and oranges Wink

Thanks
Bruce Campbell
83FCSB "Blue Skies" slow,heavy,7-8mpg,running 60mph with gennie wide
open

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
>
> ---Mike:
> That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
> consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
> staement and NOT nuts!
> Regards,
> Hank Hannigan
> 1990SP36
>
>
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are methods
to
> improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
> keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the
power
> to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up FCs
> have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
> acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets
better
> mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
> diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
> milage.
> > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm at
> full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power.
NAs
> need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
> more fuel to facilitate that.
> > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some REAL
> experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument I'm
> listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your NA,
> average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume you
> have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen for
> fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will even
> get
> > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
> believe
> > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
> http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/ )
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > wrote:
> > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > >randy dupree
> > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed overdrive
> > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
> start? I've
> > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife and I,
> > >however, I
> > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel mileage
> as the 4
> > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
> > > >
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04-17-2006, 17:06

You sound bitter.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Henry Jay Hannigan
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

---Mike:

You said an NA is "not good at all." I have a Mercedes NA diesel
here in Australia and it is simply great! 4:11 diff and I get great
mileage too.
That ole 210NA CAT is great too!!I bet a lot of guys like their 210
CAT NA's!!

Wish I had my old 77FC33 back!! Simple, 8-9mpg, a "thrill" to
steer and noisy!! and...$100,000 less tied up in it!!
Regards,
Hank Hannigan
1990 SP36 (stored in VEGAS)

In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> And I said level playing field. You want to talk about weight
difference? How about speed? You are comparing apples to oranges
and that IS nuts. NAs are nasty smoky obsolete and over the hill,
at best. A diesel with out a turbo isn't good
> not good at all.
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Henry Jay Hannigan
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:55 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
>
>
> ---Mike:
> That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
> consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
> staement and NOT nuts!
> Regards,
> Hank Hannigan
> 1990SP36
>
>
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are
methods to
> improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
> keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the
power
> to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up
FCs
> have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
> acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets
better
> mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
> diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
> milage.
> > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm
at
> full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power.
NAs
> need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
> more fuel to facilitate that.
> > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some
REAL
> experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument
I'm
> listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your
NA,
> average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume
you
> have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen
for
> fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will
even
> get
> > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
> believe
> > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
> http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/ )
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > wrote:
> > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > >randy dupree
> > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed
overdrive
> > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
> start? I've
> > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife
and I,
> > >however, I
> > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel
mileage
> as the 4
> > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Naturally Warner will be detuning his PT.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Warner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

Hank thats about what I am getting with my 1982 FC35 with the Cat
3208NA. People forget that turbo chargers and intercoolers do not
make an engine more efficient they allow a denser fuel/air charge to
be pumped into the cylinder. More fuel pumped into the cylinder means
more fuel used. A horsepower increase from 210HP to 300HP in the same
engine can only be realized thru the use of more fuel. There is no
magic involved.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35 (for sale http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan )
1985 PT40

At 09:55 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
>---Mike:
>That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
>consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
>staement and NOT nuts!
>Regards,
>Hank Hannigan
>1990SP36
>
>
>
>
>
>In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
><MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
> >
> > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are methods to
>improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
>keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the power
>to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up FCs
>have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
>acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets better
>mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
>diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
>milage.
> > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm at
>full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power. NAs
>need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
>more fuel to facilitate that.
> > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some REAL
>experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument I'm
>listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your NA,
>average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume you
>have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen for
>fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will even
>get
> > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
>believe
> > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at

><http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/>http://s69.photobucket.co\
m/albums/i57/warbucks13477/
>)
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > wrote:
> > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > >randy dupree
> > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed overdrive
> > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
>start? I've
> > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife and I,
> > >however, I
> > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel mileage
>as the 4
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04-17-2006, 17:16

You got that right Jerry.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:11 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

Tom, a diesel or gasoline engine is an air breathing device. A turbo
charger increases the amount of air it can breath. If the boost pressure
provided is 14.7 PSI, the engine sees instead of the normal one atmosphere
of pressure, two atmospheres. It is, at 14.7PSI of boost, without losses
considerations, now twice the size engine. It does of course as you noted,
take more fuel. The intercooler takes some of the heat out of the intake
air, providing a denser, heavier fuel air mixture. The magic as I see it is
the electronic controls and devices used today to not only lower emissions
but also create more power with less fuel.

Jerry

MS Gulf Coast

Looking for a BB

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[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Warner
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:27 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

Hank thats about what I am getting with my 1982 FC35 with the Cat
3208NA. People forget that turbo chargers and intercoolers do not
make an engine more efficient they allow a denser fuel/air charge to
be pumped into the cylinder. More fuel pumped into the cylinder means
more fuel used. A horsepower increase from 210HP to 300HP in the same
engine can only be realized thru the use of more fuel. There is no
magic involved.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35 (for sale http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan )
1985 PT40

At 09:55 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
>---Mike:
>That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
>consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
>staement and NOT nuts!
>Regards,
>Hank Hannigan
>1990SP36
>
>
>
>
>
>In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
><MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
> >
> > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are methods to
>improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
>keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the power
>to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up FCs
>have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
>acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets better
>mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
>diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
>milage.
> > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm at
>full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power. NAs
>need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
>more fuel to facilitate that.
> > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some REAL
>experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument I'm
>listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your NA,
>average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume you
>have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen for
>fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will even
>get
> > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
>believe
> > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
><http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/>http://s69.photobucke
t.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/
>)
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > wrote:
> > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > >randy dupree
> > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed overdrive
> > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
>start? I've
> > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife and I,
> > >however, I
> > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel mileage
>as the 4
> > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
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04-17-2006, 21:36

Mike:
u r rite about the wieght difference.
lol
Regards,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36

In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> You sound bitter.
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Henry Jay Hannigan
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:33 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
>
>
> ---Mike:
>
> You said an NA is "not good at all." I have a Mercedes NA
diesel
> here in Australia and it is simply great! 4:11 diff and I get
great
> mileage too.
> That ole 210NA CAT is great too!!I bet a lot of guys like their
210
> CAT NA's!!
>
> Wish I had my old 77FC33 back!! Simple, 8-9mpg, a "thrill" to
> steer and noisy!! and...$100,000 less tied up in it!!
> Regards,
> Hank Hannigan
> 1990 SP36 (stored in VEGAS)
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > And I said level playing field. You want to talk about weight
> difference? How about speed? You are comparing apples to
oranges
> and that IS nuts. NAs are nasty smoky obsolete and over the
hill,
> at best. A diesel with out a turbo isn't good
> > not good at all.
> > MH
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Henry Jay Hannigan
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:55 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > ---Mike:
> > That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
> > consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a
true
> > staement and NOT nuts!
> > Regards,
> > Hank Hannigan
> > 1990SP36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> > <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are
> methods to
> > improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD
trans
> > keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves
the
> power
> > to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most
87up
> FCs
> > have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
> > acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA
gets
> better
> > mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and
day
> > diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
> > milage.
> > > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower
rpm
> at
> > full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max
power.
> NAs
> > need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and
need
> > more fuel to facilitate that.
> > > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some
> REAL
> > experience that might lend some credibility to your
aurgument
> I'm
> > listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven
your
> NA,
> > average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I
assume
> you
> > have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really
seen
> for
> > fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > > Mike Hohnstein
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tom Warner
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> > >
> > >
> > > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will
> even
> > get
> > > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35
coaches. I
> > believe
> > > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the
87-89.
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
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> > > 1985 PT 40
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> > > > wrote:
> > > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4
speed
> > > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > > >randy dupree
> > > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed
> overdrive
> > > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did
they
> > start? I've
> > > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my
wife
> and I,
> > > >however, I
> > > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel
> mileage
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> > > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:11 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

Tom, a diesel or gasoline engine is an air breathing device. A turbo
charger increases the amount of air it can breath. If the boost pressure
provided is 14.7 PSI, the engine sees instead of the normal one atmosphere
of pressure, two atmospheres. It is, at 14.7PSI of boost, without losses
considerations, now twice the size engine. It does of course as you noted,
take more fuel. The intercooler takes some of the heat out of the intake
air, providing a denser, heavier fuel air mixture. The magic as I see it is
the electronic controls and devices used today to not only lower emissions
but also create more power with less fuel.

Jerry

MS Gulf Coast

Looking for a BB

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[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Warner
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:27 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

Hank thats about what I am getting with my 1982 FC35 with the Cat
3208NA. People forget that turbo chargers and intercoolers do not
make an engine more efficient they allow a denser fuel/air charge to
be pumped into the cylinder. More fuel pumped into the cylinder means
more fuel used. A horsepower increase from 210HP to 300HP in the same
engine can only be realized thru the use of more fuel. There is no
magic involved.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35 (for sale http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan )
1985 PT40

At 09:55 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
>---Mike:
>That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
>consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
>staement and NOT nuts!
>Regards,
>Hank Hannigan
>1990SP36
>
>
>
>
>
>In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
><MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
> >
> > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are methods to
>improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
>keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the power
>to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up FCs
>have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
>acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets better
>mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
>diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
>milage.
> > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm at
>full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power. NAs
>need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
>more fuel to facilitate that.
> > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some REAL
>experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument I'm
>listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your NA,
>average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume you
>have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen for
>fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> >
> >
> > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will even
>get
> > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
>believe
> > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
><http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/>http://s69.photobucke
t.com/albums/i57/warbucks13477/
>)
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > wrote:
> > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > >randy dupree
> > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed overdrive
> > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
>start? I've
> > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife and I,
> > >however, I
> > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel mileage
>as the 4
> > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
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04-18-2006, 01:38

Spoken like a true technical illiterate. Sophisticated contempary fuel controls
are responsible for the greatly extended service life of engines, gasoline and
diesel.
Extrordinary horse power per cubic inch production is common place these days,
dwarfing power levels of 20 years ago. There is a reason a 3208 10.3 litre
engine is limited to 300 hp in highway use and an 8.3 litre Cummins routinely
make in excess of 330, more if you can cool it.
We work on many hot rod trucks in the shop and it's unbelievable how much punch
these new fangled 5.9s can produce. Electronics are really magic. Expensive
but very very cool. I wish I could retrofit my throwaways (3208) with new fuel
controls.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Warner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions

Jerry the electronic controls on todays diesel engine were installed
to ensure that the engines meet the very stringent emission standards
of today. They have not become more efficient they have become
compliant with the laws at the expense of lowering their
efficiency. They achieve that by creating more heat and thus run at
higher temperatures, and they therefore need better lubricants and
increased maintenance, at the same time of operating at reduced
power. Remember there is always a tradeoff to everything. A gallon
of diesel fuel contains approximately 140,000 BTUs. One horsepower
equals 2545 BTUs per hour. Its easy to see that increased horsepower
is only achieved thru packing more fuel/air mixture into the
cylinders and efficiently exhausting it.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35 for sale ( http://tinyurl.com/zv2on )
1985 PT40

. At 12:11 AM 4/18/2006, you wrote:
>Tom, a diesel or gasoline engine is an air breathing device. A turbo
>charger increases the amount of air it can breath. If the boost pressure
>provided is 14.7 PSI, the engine sees instead of the normal one atmosphere
>of pressure, two atmospheres. It is, at 14.7PSI of boost, without losses
>considerations, now twice the size engine. It does of course as you noted,
>take more fuel. The intercooler takes some of the heat out of the intake
>air, providing a denser, heavier fuel air mixture. The magic as I see it is
>the electronic controls and devices used today to not only lower emissions
>but also create more power with less fuel.
>
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>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
>
>
>
>Hank thats about what I am getting with my 1982 FC35 with the Cat
>3208NA. People forget that turbo chargers and intercoolers do not
>make an engine more efficient they allow a denser fuel/air charge to
>be pumped into the cylinder. More fuel pumped into the cylinder means
>more fuel used. A horsepower increase from 210HP to 300HP in the same
>engine can only be realized thru the use of more fuel. There is no
>magic involved.
>
>Tom Warner
>Vernon Center,NY
>1982 FC35 (for sale <http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan>http://tinyurl.com/lotbdcan
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>1985 PT40
>
>At 09:55 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
> >---Mike:
> >That's nuts!!! My 77FC33 with the CAT 210NA got 8-9mpg
> >consistently while my 90SP36 gets only 6-7mpg!!! That's a true
> >staement and NOT nuts!
> >Regards,
> >Hank Hannigan
> >1990SP36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> ><MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's nuts. Turbo charging and charge air coolers are methods to
> >improve the efficiency of diesel engines. The 5 speed OD trans
> >keeps engine speed down and increased horse power improves the power
> >to weight ratio over the older NA/643 speed bumps. Most 87up FCs
> >have two airs and the smaller lighter gen set, handling and
> >acceleration are greatly enhanced. There is no way a NA gets better
> >mileage than a turbo, level playing field.
> > > I drove Millers 88 FC a while back and it was a night and day
> >diffference compared to my well tuned 250 hp 83 rear bath.
> > > Engine speed is the major issue when considering improving
> >milage.
> > > Turbo/charge air cooled engines can tolerate 400 rpm lower rpm at
> >full throttle and don't need to go over 2500 rpm for max power. NAs
> >need to spin faster due to the lack of forced induction and need
> >more fuel to facilitate that.
> > > Now I could be over looking something, so if you have some REAL
> >experience that might lend some credibility to your aurgument I'm
> >listening Warner. I'm interested in miles you have driven your NA,
> >average speed, speed on grades, that sort of thing. I assume you
> >have taken some trips, so lets hear what you have really seen for
> >fuel use. Those considering your FC might want to know.
> > > Mike Hohnstein
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tom Warner
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 35 FC Transmissions
> > >
> > >
> > > I doubt very much if you will find an 87-89 FC that will even
> >get
> > > close to the fuel mileage of the 1982 FC/31/33/35 coaches. I
> >believe
> > > the 4th gear is the same as the 5th or 6th gear in the 87-89.
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1982 FC35 ( for sale at
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> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:55 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote:
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sailingmyway"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >i hear storys from 7-10 mpg on the fcs with the 4 speed
> > > >tranny,now,thats not bad milage as i see it!
> > > >randy dupree
> > > > > Does anyone know if they ever put the 5 or 6 speed overdrive
> > > > > transmission in the 35 FC? If so, what year did they
> >start? I've
> > > > > zeroed in on the 35FC as the correct Bird for my wife and I,
> > > >however, I
> > > > > really hesitate buying one that gets such poor fuel mileage
> >as the 4
> > > > > speed Allison. John & Pat - Wantabee's, Stuart
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