Making Noise when Making Noise Isn't Really Do

[Jay Darst]

I own a repiar facility for automobiles.

Have discovered a disease called "everscenccha"

"ever since ya changed my oil, I can't get nothing on my radio"

Many people make noise to be making noise because they got nuthin
better to do. Un-founded noise makers surely make it tough for the
legimate noise makers.

10 years the gasket, or no gasket performed well.

Hank, what is the basis for and why do you figure the repair
facility deserves the abuse, bad publicity, confrontation, "noise"
that you suggest they deserve in this case?

Curious...

Jay Darst, Owner
HPR Automotive Superstore
Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
85PT40


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
>
> ---Hey George!
>
> Great reply from a mechanics view! ur correct about implied
> warranty of merchantabilty for only 90 days,. However, discovery
> comes into view also..and...if it is true that GASKET was NEVER
> installed, don't u thing the Installer owner has some good
> faith/good will obligation to respond?
>
> Also please note that I told Ernie to have the repair mechanic
> certify the "never installed" gasket fact in writing.
>
> Probably all moot and nothing will happen except Ernie will eat
the
> bill, but if it were me, and...I had the facts, I would make a
phone
> call to the garage owner where it was installed and share the
story.
>
> Besides, I have nothing to do in retirement and was very bored as
I
> have slowed my online poker down, so I thought I would respond to
> Ernie...AND I got SUNBURN laying on the beach at KOolina Resort
> yesterday. LOL
> Hank Hannigan
> 90SP36(stored inVegas but for sale so I can pay my Hawaii hotel
bill)
> In Hawaii washing dishes..LOL
>
>
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt" <mrdonut12@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hank,
> > If I may chime in here as a repair shop owner and mechanic...
> > If the bolts were loose and the gasket not present, is it
> possible
> > that the bolts failed, came loose and the pressure blew the
gasket
> out?
> > The fact that no gasket was found only means "no gasket was
> > found". It doesn't necessarily mean it was never installed.
> > Tightening bolts stretches them and the resulting stretch
> > provides a clamping force. If the bolts fail, they stretch too
> far,
> > like a rubber band that was stretched too far and they get loose,
> > since the clamping force is no longer present. This could allow
> the
> > gasket to blow out from the pressure. Hence, no gasket could be
> found.
> > Next, I believe Federal Law only requires a warranty to be
90
> > days or 3,000 miles on mechanical repairs, so any warranty would
> be up
> > by now.
> > Moral of the story: Be sure they throw out the bolts that
> were
> > loose and use new ones. Once any bolt is found loose, you never
> > "tighten them up" as they are probably stretched. Also be sure
> they
> > use the proper grade of bolt and they're torqued to the proper
spec
> > for the grade and thread pitch. Each grade has a different
torque
> > spec and so does each thread pitch for that grade and size bolt.
> > This is the reason my shop NEVER reuses cylinder head bolts
> when
> > replacing a "blown head gasket", since the bolts could have
> stretched
> > and caused the gasket to blow.
> > Just some background from a mechanic's perspective...
> >
> > George Witt
> > 81 FC 35
> > Lincoln, Nebraska
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ---Ernie:
> > > Not sure what Texas legal ground u stand on as that rebuild
was
> a
> > > while ago, however it was evidently done incorrectly. As such
it
> has
> > > been a concern since day one of the rebuild. Recommend u chat
> with
> > > a Texas attorney(first visit free right?) about the traceable
> > > problem. Perhaps the attorney or you could m ake some noise
to
> the
> > > rebuild company and request they pay your bill. No doubt
their
> > > screwup caused it.
> > > LOL
> > > Hank Hannigan
> > > 90SP36
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > After the mechanics removed the turbo, they found the blower
> plate
> > > bolts
> > > > LOOSE!! They removed that plate to check the blower. The
> blower
> > > checked out
> > > > fine-BUT- there was NO gasket between the plate and the
> engine.
> > > So, whoever did
> > > > the inframe reman- left out the gasket. It really is rocket
> > > science!! No
> > > > wonder I have been plagued with all this oil scum. More
later-
> > > Erniie-83pt40 in
> > > > Childress, Tx, for a short time, I hope
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---Hey Jay!

How u doing?....I always seem to open my big mouth and cause trouble.
Honestly did not mean to cause a stir. There are always TWO sides
to every story...I guess I should have spoke about both
sides...eg....."If the original installer is at fault, Ernie should
give him a call....ON THE OTHER HAND....if the original gasket
installer IS NOT at fault, Ernie should just pay the bill and have a
Genesee cream ale"......( I use to hang around Bradford PA and drank
the stuff AFTER DEER hunting).....In summary, I kinda wish I would
have stayed on the beach and caused no trouble........
Thanks for your response. LOL
Regards,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36
ps...Ernie...have a lone star...do they still make it in Texas?







In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> I own a repiar facility for automobiles.
>
> Have discovered a disease called "everscenccha"
>
> "ever since ya changed my oil, I can't get nothing on my radio"
>
> Many people make noise to be making noise because they got nuthin
> better to do. Un-founded noise makers surely make it tough for the
> legimate noise makers.
>
> 10 years the gasket, or no gasket performed well.
>
> Hank, what is the basis for and why do you figure the repair
> facility deserves the abuse, bad publicity, confrontation, "noise"
> that you suggest they deserve in this case?
>
> Curious...
>
> Jay Darst, Owner
> HPR Automotive Superstore
> Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> 85PT40
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---Hey George!
> >
> > Great reply from a mechanics view! ur correct about implied
> > warranty of merchantabilty for only 90 days,. However, discovery
> > comes into view also..and...if it is true that GASKET was NEVER
> > installed, don't u thing the Installer owner has some good
> > faith/good will obligation to respond?
> >
> > Also please note that I told Ernie to have the repair mechanic
> > certify the "never installed" gasket fact in writing.
> >
> > Probably all moot and nothing will happen except Ernie will eat
> the
> > bill, but if it were me, and...I had the facts, I would make a
> phone
> > call to the garage owner where it was installed and share the
> story.
> >
> > Besides, I have nothing to do in retirement and was very bored
as
> I
> > have slowed my online poker down, so I thought I would respond
to
> > Ernie...AND I got SUNBURN laying on the beach at KOolina Resort
> > yesterday. LOL
> > Hank Hannigan
> > 90SP36(stored inVegas but for sale so I can pay my Hawaii hotel
> bill)
> > In Hawaii washing dishes..LOL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt" <mrdonut12@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hank,
> > > If I may chime in here as a repair shop owner and
mechanic...
> > > If the bolts were loose and the gasket not present, is it
> > possible
> > > that the bolts failed, came loose and the pressure blew the
> gasket
> > out?
> > > The fact that no gasket was found only means "no gasket
was
> > > found". It doesn't necessarily mean it was never installed.
> > > Tightening bolts stretches them and the resulting stretch
> > > provides a clamping force. If the bolts fail, they stretch
too
> > far,
> > > like a rubber band that was stretched too far and they get
loose,
> > > since the clamping force is no longer present. This could
allow
> > the
> > > gasket to blow out from the pressure. Hence, no gasket could
be
> > found.
> > > Next, I believe Federal Law only requires a warranty to
be
> 90
> > > days or 3,000 miles on mechanical repairs, so any warranty
would
> > be up
> > > by now.
> > > Moral of the story: Be sure they throw out the bolts
that
> > were
> > > loose and use new ones. Once any bolt is found loose, you
never
> > > "tighten them up" as they are probably stretched. Also be
sure
> > they
> > > use the proper grade of bolt and they're torqued to the proper
> spec
> > > for the grade and thread pitch. Each grade has a different
> torque
> > > spec and so does each thread pitch for that grade and size
bolt.
> > > This is the reason my shop NEVER reuses cylinder head
bolts
> > when
> > > replacing a "blown head gasket", since the bolts could have
> > stretched
> > > and caused the gasket to blow.
> > > Just some background from a mechanic's perspective...
> > >
> > > George Witt
> > > 81 FC 35
> > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---Ernie:
> > > > Not sure what Texas legal ground u stand on as that rebuild
> was
> > a
> > > > while ago, however it was evidently done incorrectly. As
such
> it
> > has
> > > > been a concern since day one of the rebuild. Recommend u
chat
> > with
> > > > a Texas attorney(first visit free right?) about the
traceable
> > > > problem. Perhaps the attorney or you could m ake some
noise
> to
> > the
> > > > rebuild company and request they pay your bill. No doubt
> their
> > > > screwup caused it.
> > > > LOL
> > > > Hank Hannigan
> > > > 90SP36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > After the mechanics removed the turbo, they found the
blower
> > plate
> > > > bolts
> > > > > LOOSE!! They removed that plate to check the blower. The
> > blower
> > > > checked out
> > > > > fine-BUT- there was NO gasket between the plate and the
> > engine.
> > > > So, whoever did
> > > > > the inframe reman- left out the gasket. It really is
rocket
> > > > science!! No
> > > > > wonder I have been plagued with all this oil scum. More
> later-
> > > > Erniie-83pt40 in
> > > > > Childress, Tx, for a short time, I hope
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[George Witt]

Hank,
There's no stir and no problem and you ain't causing no trouble.
I guess we can all agree to be glad we ain't Ernie. ;o)
Now, if Ernie were to send me some pastries and ask for an expert
witness, I'm sure there are 2 sides to every story.... LOL

George



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
>
> ---Hey Jay!
>
> How u doing?....I always seem to open my big mouth and cause trouble.
> Honestly did not mean to cause a stir. There are always TWO sides
> to every story...I guess I should have spoke about both
> sides...eg....."If the original installer is at fault, Ernie should
> give him a call....ON THE OTHER HAND....if the original gasket
> installer IS NOT at fault, Ernie should just pay the bill and have a
> Genesee cream ale"......( I use to hang around Bradford PA and drank
> the stuff AFTER DEER hunting).....In summary, I kinda wish I would
> have stayed on the beach and caused no trouble........
> Thanks for your response. LOL
> Regards,
> Hank Hannigan
> 90SP36
> ps...Ernie...have a lone star...do they still make it in Texas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
> >
> > I own a repiar facility for automobiles.
> >
> > Have discovered a disease called "everscenccha"
> >
> > "ever since ya changed my oil, I can't get nothing on my radio"
> >
> > Many people make noise to be making noise because they got nuthin
> > better to do. Un-founded noise makers surely make it tough for the
> > legimate noise makers.
> >
> > 10 years the gasket, or no gasket performed well.
> >
> > Hank, what is the basis for and why do you figure the repair
> > facility deserves the abuse, bad publicity, confrontation, "noise"
> > that you suggest they deserve in this case?
> >
> > Curious...
> >
> > Jay Darst, Owner
> > HPR Automotive Superstore
> > Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> > 85PT40
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ---Hey George!
> > >
> > > Great reply from a mechanics view! ur correct about implied
> > > warranty of merchantabilty for only 90 days,. However, discovery
> > > comes into view also..and...if it is true that GASKET was NEVER
> > > installed, don't u thing the Installer owner has some good
> > > faith/good will obligation to respond?
> > >
> > > Also please note that I told Ernie to have the repair mechanic
> > > certify the "never installed" gasket fact in writing.
> > >
> > > Probably all moot and nothing will happen except Ernie will eat
> > the
> > > bill, but if it were me, and...I had the facts, I would make a
> > phone
> > > call to the garage owner where it was installed and share the
> > story.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have nothing to do in retirement and was very bored
> as
> > I
> > > have slowed my online poker down, so I thought I would respond
> to
> > > Ernie...AND I got SUNBURN laying on the beach at KOolina Resort
> > > yesterday. LOL
> > > Hank Hannigan
> > > 90SP36(stored inVegas but for sale so I can pay my Hawaii hotel
> > bill)
> > > In Hawaii washing dishes..LOL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt" <mrdonut12@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hank,
> > > > If I may chime in here as a repair shop owner and
> mechanic...
> > > > If the bolts were loose and the gasket not present, is it
> > > possible
> > > > that the bolts failed, came loose and the pressure blew the
> > gasket
> > > out?
> > > > The fact that no gasket was found only means "no gasket
> was
> > > > found". It doesn't necessarily mean it was never installed.
> > > > Tightening bolts stretches them and the resulting stretch
> > > > provides a clamping force. If the bolts fail, they stretch
> too
> > > far,
> > > > like a rubber band that was stretched too far and they get
> loose,
> > > > since the clamping force is no longer present. This could
> allow
> > > the
> > > > gasket to blow out from the pressure. Hence, no gasket could
> be
> > > found.
> > > > Next, I believe Federal Law only requires a warranty to
> be
> > 90
> > > > days or 3,000 miles on mechanical repairs, so any warranty
> would
> > > be up
> > > > by now.
> > > > Moral of the story: Be sure they throw out the bolts
> that
> > > were
> > > > loose and use new ones. Once any bolt is found loose, you
> never
> > > > "tighten them up" as they are probably stretched. Also be
> sure
> > > they
> > > > use the proper grade of bolt and they're torqued to the proper
> > spec
> > > > for the grade and thread pitch. Each grade has a different
> > torque
> > > > spec and so does each thread pitch for that grade and size
> bolt.
> > > > This is the reason my shop NEVER reuses cylinder head
> bolts
> > > when
> > > > replacing a "blown head gasket", since the bolts could have
> > > stretched
> > > > and caused the gasket to blow.
> > > > Just some background from a mechanic's perspective...
> > > >
> > > > George Witt
> > > > 81 FC 35
> > > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ---Ernie:
> > > > > Not sure what Texas legal ground u stand on as that rebuild
> > was
> > > a
> > > > > while ago, however it was evidently done incorrectly. As
> such
> > it
> > > has
> > > > > been a concern since day one of the rebuild. Recommend u
> chat
> > > with
> > > > > a Texas attorney(first visit free right?) about the
> traceable
> > > > > problem. Perhaps the attorney or you could m ake some
> noise
> > to
> > > the
> > > > > rebuild company and request they pay your bill. No doubt
> > their
> > > > > screwup caused it.
> > > > > LOL
> > > > > Hank Hannigan
> > > > > 90SP36
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After the mechanics removed the turbo, they found the
> blower
> > > plate
> > > > > bolts
> > > > > > LOOSE!! They removed that plate to check the blower. The
> > > blower
> > > > > checked out
> > > > > > fine-BUT- there was NO gasket between the plate and the
> > > engine.
> > > > > So, whoever did
> > > > > > the inframe reman- left out the gasket. It really is
> rocket
> > > > > science!! No
> > > > > > wonder I have been plagued with all this oil scum. More
> > later-
> > > > > Erniie-83pt40 in
> > > > > > Childress, Tx, for a short time, I hope
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[George Witt]

Jay,
That guy's been to my place, too. His name is Everett
Sinchou--Everett Sinchou change my oil, my left tire loses air...
He's a good friend of Sam Ting--"You fix my car, it still do Sam
Ting. Now you fix, I no pay!!"
Those guys get around. ;o)

George


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> I own a repiar facility for automobiles.
>
> Have discovered a disease called "everscenccha"
>
> "ever since ya changed my oil, I can't get nothing on my radio"
>
> Many people make noise to be making noise because they got nuthin
> better to do. Un-founded noise makers surely make it tough for the
> legimate noise makers.
>
> 10 years the gasket, or no gasket performed well.
>
> Hank, what is the basis for and why do you figure the repair
> facility deserves the abuse, bad publicity, confrontation, "noise"
> that you suggest they deserve in this case?
>
> Curious...
>
> Jay Darst, Owner
> HPR Automotive Superstore
> Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> 85PT40
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---Hey George!
> >
> > Great reply from a mechanics view! ur correct about implied
> > warranty of merchantabilty for only 90 days,. However, discovery
> > comes into view also..and...if it is true that GASKET was NEVER
> > installed, don't u thing the Installer owner has some good
> > faith/good will obligation to respond?
> >
> > Also please note that I told Ernie to have the repair mechanic
> > certify the "never installed" gasket fact in writing.
> >
> > Probably all moot and nothing will happen except Ernie will eat
> the
> > bill, but if it were me, and...I had the facts, I would make a
> phone
> > call to the garage owner where it was installed and share the
> story.
> >
> > Besides, I have nothing to do in retirement and was very bored as
> I
> > have slowed my online poker down, so I thought I would respond to
> > Ernie...AND I got SUNBURN laying on the beach at KOolina Resort
> > yesterday. LOL
> > Hank Hannigan
> > 90SP36(stored inVegas but for sale so I can pay my Hawaii hotel
> bill)
> > In Hawaii washing dishes..LOL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt" <mrdonut12@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hank,
> > > If I may chime in here as a repair shop owner and mechanic...
> > > If the bolts were loose and the gasket not present, is it
> > possible
> > > that the bolts failed, came loose and the pressure blew the
> gasket
> > out?
> > > The fact that no gasket was found only means "no gasket was
> > > found". It doesn't necessarily mean it was never installed.
> > > Tightening bolts stretches them and the resulting stretch
> > > provides a clamping force. If the bolts fail, they stretch too
> > far,
> > > like a rubber band that was stretched too far and they get loose,
> > > since the clamping force is no longer present. This could allow
> > the
> > > gasket to blow out from the pressure. Hence, no gasket could be
> > found.
> > > Next, I believe Federal Law only requires a warranty to be
> 90
> > > days or 3,000 miles on mechanical repairs, so any warranty would
> > be up
> > > by now.
> > > Moral of the story: Be sure they throw out the bolts that
> > were
> > > loose and use new ones. Once any bolt is found loose, you never
> > > "tighten them up" as they are probably stretched. Also be sure
> > they
> > > use the proper grade of bolt and they're torqued to the proper
> spec
> > > for the grade and thread pitch. Each grade has a different
> torque
> > > spec and so does each thread pitch for that grade and size bolt.
> > > This is the reason my shop NEVER reuses cylinder head bolts
> > when
> > > replacing a "blown head gasket", since the bolts could have
> > stretched
> > > and caused the gasket to blow.
> > > Just some background from a mechanic's perspective...
> > >
> > > George Witt
> > > 81 FC 35
> > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---Ernie:
> > > > Not sure what Texas legal ground u stand on as that rebuild
> was
> > a
> > > > while ago, however it was evidently done incorrectly. As such
> it
> > has
> > > > been a concern since day one of the rebuild. Recommend u chat
> > with
> > > > a Texas attorney(first visit free right?) about the traceable
> > > > problem. Perhaps the attorney or you could m ake some noise
> to
> > the
> > > > rebuild company and request they pay your bill. No doubt
> their
> > > > screwup caused it.
> > > > LOL
> > > > Hank Hannigan
> > > > 90SP36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > After the mechanics removed the turbo, they found the blower
> > plate
> > > > bolts
> > > > > LOOSE!! They removed that plate to check the blower. The
> > blower
> > > > checked out
> > > > > fine-BUT- there was NO gasket between the plate and the
> > engine.
> > > > So, whoever did
> > > > > the inframe reman- left out the gasket. It really is rocket
> > > > science!! No
> > > > > wonder I have been plagued with all this oil scum. More
> later-
> > > > Erniie-83pt40 in
> > > > > Childress, Tx, for a short time, I hope
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Maybe no gasket is required if the surfaces are true I wonder if DD
puts one on in production???. Thanks for the stretch bolt tip, makes
sence. I always check the thread socket to see that the bolt will
not bottom out from being too long or having debris in the socket
from scraping the gasket. If the bolt is close I run a nut on it and
grind the bolt down. removing the nut helps clean the thread so the
bolt wont cross when reinstalled.

I think Hank and George bring up a good question, the cause of the
failure? Hank hints to who, George hints to what.

I alway feel sorry for repair shops that get hit by one of those TV
Stings where an Actor comes in with a blown fuse. The shop that
replaces the fuse and slams the hood shut is praised. The shop that
spent two hours looking for a problem that never existed and would
have been found in 15 min if it did exist is marked . IMO the good
shop looked for the 'cause of the failure'. But there are bad shops
Like Hemet Chrysler.

Gregory O'Connor by order staying 200 ft from HC
94PT40

[erniecarpet@...]

On my coach, the turbo sits on a housing/plate that is indeed held down with
8 bolts. the 8 bolts were loose, and thus over the years have viibrated
looser. There were remains of the original gasket- just bits annd pieces. The
old
gasket material has been removed and the area prepped for the new gasket. I
believe that when the bolts were loose, it allowed the o-rings that the turbo
oil lines intersect to be off their mark and the oil and compressed air to
find the path of least resistance.
Whenever the parts arrive and all is put back in place, we will be on the
road with no thoughts of any lawsuits and grateful that I may not have to wash
my Yukonn and trailer everytime I tow them. Ernie-83pt40, awaiting parts



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[randydupree2000]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>greg,there is indeed a gasket from DD.i would glue it down for sure
with hi-tack or something.its a thin gasket and i think it only has
8 bolts holding the turbo down. on ernies coach its kind of a PITA
to get the turbo off,the older pt's had a lower bedroom floor than
the 84.5 models and you really need to take the cold side turbo
shell off to lift that turbo out of there,its very close to the
compartment roof/bedroom floor. maybe a 3 hour job all
total,ok,maybe 5 hours! no screens in the gaskets on a turbo
detroit,just the non-turbo ones as far as i know.
been there done that and didnt have to sue anybody to get it fixed.
randy dupree
> Maybe no gasket is required if the surfaces are true I wonder if
DD
> puts one on in production???. Thanks for the stretch bolt tip,
makes
> sence. I always check the thread socket to see that the bolt will
> not bottom out from being too long or having debris in the socket
> from scraping the gasket. If the bolt is close I run a nut on it
and
> grind the bolt down. removing the nut helps clean the thread so
the
> bolt wont cross when reinstalled.
>
> I think Hank and George bring up a good question, the cause of the
> failure? Hank hints to who, George hints to what.
>
> I alway feel sorry for repair shops that get hit by one of those
TV
> Stings where an Actor comes in with a blown fuse. The shop that
> replaces the fuse and slams the hood shut is praised. The shop
that
> spent two hours looking for a problem that never existed and would
> have been found in 15 min if it did exist is marked . IMO the good
> shop looked for the 'cause of the failure'. But there are bad
shops
> Like Hemet Chrysler.
>
> Gregory O'Connor by order staying 200 ft from HC
> 94PT40
>

[Jay Darst]

Hahahahahahahahahaha,

That guy(Everett Sinchou) has a lot of problems, in more ways than
1! ;~}

Our store is not the only place this dude visits!

Hank, I wish I was on the beach in Hawaii, its been raining here for
2 weeks!

Ernie, hope you're back on the road and the repair bill was not too
painful!

Jay


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt"
<mrdonut12@...> wrote:
>
> Jay,
> That guy's been to my place, too. His name is Everett
> Sinchou--Everett Sinchou change my oil, my left tire loses air...
> He's a good friend of Sam Ting--"You fix my car, it still do
Sam
> Ting. Now you fix, I no pay!!"
> Those guys get around. ;o)
>
> George
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
> >
> > I own a repiar facility for automobiles.
> >
> > Have discovered a disease called "everscenccha"
> >
> > "ever since ya changed my oil, I can't get nothing on my radio"
> >
> > Many people make noise to be making noise because they got
nuthin
> > better to do. Un-founded noise makers surely make it tough for
the
> > legimate noise makers.
> >
> > 10 years the gasket, or no gasket performed well.
> >
> > Hank, what is the basis for and why do you figure the repair
> > facility deserves the abuse, bad publicity,
confrontation, "noise"
> > that you suggest they deserve in this case?
> >
> > Curious...
> >
> > Jay Darst, Owner
> > HPR Automotive Superstore
> > Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> > 85PT40
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ---Hey George!
> > >
> > > Great reply from a mechanics view! ur correct about implied
> > > warranty of merchantabilty for only 90 days,. However,
discovery
> > > comes into view also..and...if it is true that GASKET was
NEVER
> > > installed, don't u thing the Installer owner has some good
> > > faith/good will obligation to respond?
> > >
> > > Also please note that I told Ernie to have the repair mechanic
> > > certify the "never installed" gasket fact in writing.
> > >
> > > Probably all moot and nothing will happen except Ernie will
eat
> > the
> > > bill, but if it were me, and...I had the facts, I would make a
> > phone
> > > call to the garage owner where it was installed and share the
> > story.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have nothing to do in retirement and was very bored
as
> > I
> > > have slowed my online poker down, so I thought I would respond
to
> > > Ernie...AND I got SUNBURN laying on the beach at KOolina
Resort
> > > yesterday. LOL
> > > Hank Hannigan
> > > 90SP36(stored inVegas but for sale so I can pay my Hawaii
hotel
> > bill)
> > > In Hawaii washing dishes..LOL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "George Witt"
<mrdonut12@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hank,
> > > > If I may chime in here as a repair shop owner and
mechanic...
> > > > If the bolts were loose and the gasket not present, is
it
> > > possible
> > > > that the bolts failed, came loose and the pressure blew the
> > gasket
> > > out?
> > > > The fact that no gasket was found only means "no gasket
was
> > > > found". It doesn't necessarily mean it was never installed.
> > > > Tightening bolts stretches them and the resulting
stretch
> > > > provides a clamping force. If the bolts fail, they stretch
too
> > > far,
> > > > like a rubber band that was stretched too far and they get
loose,
> > > > since the clamping force is no longer present. This could
allow
> > > the
> > > > gasket to blow out from the pressure. Hence, no gasket
could be
> > > found.
> > > > Next, I believe Federal Law only requires a warranty to
be
> > 90
> > > > days or 3,000 miles on mechanical repairs, so any warranty
would
> > > be up
> > > > by now.
> > > > Moral of the story: Be sure they throw out the bolts
that
> > > were
> > > > loose and use new ones. Once any bolt is found loose, you
never
> > > > "tighten them up" as they are probably stretched. Also be
sure
> > > they
> > > > use the proper grade of bolt and they're torqued to the
proper
> > spec
> > > > for the grade and thread pitch. Each grade has a different
> > torque
> > > > spec and so does each thread pitch for that grade and size
bolt.
> > > > This is the reason my shop NEVER reuses cylinder head
bolts
> > > when
> > > > replacing a "blown head gasket", since the bolts could have
> > > stretched
> > > > and caused the gasket to blow.
> > > > Just some background from a mechanic's perspective...
> > > >
> > > > George Witt
> > > > 81 FC 35
> > > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ---Ernie:
> > > > > Not sure what Texas legal ground u stand on as that
rebuild
> > was
> > > a
> > > > > while ago, however it was evidently done incorrectly. As
such
> > it
> > > has
> > > > > been a concern since day one of the rebuild. Recommend u
chat
> > > with
> > > > > a Texas attorney(first visit free right?) about the
traceable
> > > > > problem. Perhaps the attorney or you could m ake some
noise
> > to
> > > the
> > > > > rebuild company and request they pay your bill. No doubt
> > their
> > > > > screwup caused it.
> > > > > LOL
> > > > > Hank Hannigan
> > > > > 90SP36
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After the mechanics removed the turbo, they found the
blower
> > > plate
> > > > > bolts
> > > > > > LOOSE!! They removed that plate to check the blower. The
> > > blower
> > > > > checked out
> > > > > > fine-BUT- there was NO gasket between the plate and the
> > > engine.
> > > > > So, whoever did
> > > > > > the inframe reman- left out the gasket. It really is
rocket
> > > > > science!! No
> > > > > > wonder I have been plagued with all this oil scum. More
> > later-
> > > > > Erniie-83pt40 in
> > > > > > Childress, Tx, for a short time, I hope
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> On my coach, the turbo sits on a housing/plate that is indeed held
down with
> 8 bolts. the 8 bolts were loose, and thus over the years have
viibrated
> looser. There were remains of the original gasket- just bits annd
pieces. The old
> gasket material has been removed and the area prepped for the new
gasket. I
> believe that when the bolts were loose, it allowed the o-rings
that the turbo
> oil lines intersect to be off their mark and the oil and
compressed air to
> find the path of least resistance.
> Whenever the parts arrive and all is put back in place, we will be
on the
> road with no thoughts of any lawsuits and grateful that I may not
have to wash
> my Yukonn and trailer everytime I tow them. Ernie-83pt40, awaiting
parts
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---Ernie..Jay..and others.......see...I knew those 10year ago
mechanics put the gasket on........never heard of a mechanic
who "left off" a gasket..........all mechanics are good...all
attorneys are bad.......just kidding........
nuts Randy & Tom, I can't sue anybody this week!!
Back to the beach.
LOL all.
Hank Hannigan
90SP36
u no the rest








In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> On my coach, the turbo sits on a housing/plate that is indeed held
down with
> 8 bolts. the 8 bolts were loose, and thus over the years have
viibrated
> looser. There were remains of the original gasket- just bits annd
pieces. The old
> gasket material has been removed and the area prepped for the new
gasket. I
> believe that when the bolts were loose, it allowed the o-rings
that the turbo
> oil lines intersect to be off their mark and the oil and
compressed air to
> find the path of least resistance.
> Whenever the parts arrive and all is put back in place, we will be
on the
> road with no thoughts of any lawsuits and grateful that I may not
have to wash
> my Yukonn and trailer everytime I tow them. Ernie-83pt40, awaiting
parts
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>