water leak suggestions?

[davidkerryedwards]

If I complete the plan I am currently attempting, I should be able to
put a winterizing fitting in the hose from the tank This should should
at least circulate antifreeze through all the fittings associated with
the tank lines but probably not to the initial city water line (if my
rudimentary understanding of the plumbing is correct).
I've got the replacement reinforced hose fished thru from the back of
the tank to the kitchen/pump line and it is attached to the pump
filter. Now I just need to cut the copper line behind the tank and
attach it. This is where the physical and mental gymnastics get
interesting.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> Been contemplating that very issue as I am dealing with this problem.
>
> Kerry
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > When I had my 1982 FC 35 I was in the process of designing a way to
> > completely fill the lines with antifreeze quickly. Believe it or
> > not, it is not an easy thing to do because of the way BB designed the
> > fresh water system. It is even more difficult to do it on the PTs
> > from what I am seeing with mine.
> >
> > However with that said I would strongly urge anyone that is in a cold
> > climate for even a short while to understand how the fresh water
> > system works and make sure that you can winterize your copper lines.
> > If one splits as you can see it is almost impossible to get it back
> > into its orignial configuration.
> >
> > One of the first projects after the installation of the Heart 2500 in
> > my PT 40 will be a winterizing system that is quick and easy to both
> > winterize and flush the lines quickly of the antifreeze and get it
> > back to its original condition.
> > \
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > At 10:35 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Kerry- all I can say is 'good luck'. LOL..
> > >
> > >I had the same NIGHTMARE in my 'bird.. took a few
> months to get
> > >all the pipes replaced, and sort everything out. YES, I had to take
> out the
> > >fresh water tank, and the rear furnace, ect.while I was at it- I
did it
> > >right. I replaced the water pump, A Sporlan Valve rebuild kit,
All the
> > >fittings to adapt to the new plastic water line. Tubing put
> in---BLUE color
> > >for COLD, and RED color for HOT.. Lowe's has it all. Picked up new
> water
> > >pump at Camping World down the road.. Now everything works as
> designed-holds
> > >water pressure with pump off for weeks..
> > >
> > >See my pics in the forum for my old split copper pipes..
> > >
> >
>
><http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/W...rowse/4c94>htt\
p://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wand...rowse/4c94
> > >
> > >Any Q's? I will be happy to help.. Been there and done that.!!!!!
> Finally a
> > >leak free BIRD
> > >
> > >Stephen Hare
> > >
> > >81 FC-33SB
> > >
> > >Plant City, FL GETTING NICE RAIN FROM ALBERTO!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >_____
> > >
> > >From:
> >
>
>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > >[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> davidkerryedwards
> > >Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:03 PM
> > >To:
> >
>
>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] water leak suggestions?
> > >
> > >I'm paying the price for buying my bird in the winter when I couldn't
> > >pressurize the plumbing. Pressurized it today and had a number of
> > >leaks. First one I found was behind the shower. Terrible place to
> > >get to, but I cut the copper and replaced the section with reinforced
> > >polyethelyene. However, once I got that done and pressurized it
> > >again, a second leak appeared probably behind the water tank
along the
> > >outside wall. The odd thing is that before I fixed the shower leak, I
> > >had water at the kitchen and bath sinks but now I've fixed the
shower,
> > >I've got no water at the sinks and the whole floor from the water
tank
> > >forward is soaked. Any suggestions on how to figure out which of the
> > >three pipes that wind behind the water tank is leaking? I'd like to
> > >avoid removing the rear bed, left cabinet and water tank to
access the
> > >pipes. I think the easiest fix is to figure out which pipe is
> > >leaking, cut it fore and aft of the tank, fish in some reinforced
> > >polyethelyne and replace it. Any advice is appreciated. I'd planned
> > >to leave for a long trip in a few days and this has put a serious
dent
> > >in my preparations.
> > >
> > >Kerry
> > >82 FC 35
> > >Denver
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[davidkerryedwards]

Tentative conclusion is that the repair worked although the Sporlon
valve is sticking so I'm only putting pump pressure on it at the
moment, not city pressure. Was able to get agout 3" of hose on the
copper and three hose clamps.
I'll have to take the Sporlon valve apart to see if I can free it up.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> If I complete the plan I am currently attempting, I should be able to
> put a winterizing fitting in the hose from the tank This should should
> at least circulate antifreeze through all the fittings associated with
> the tank lines but probably not to the initial city water line (if my
> rudimentary understanding of the plumbing is correct).
> I've got the replacement reinforced hose fished thru from the back of
> the tank to the kitchen/pump line and it is attached to the pump
> filter. Now I just need to cut the copper line behind the tank and
> attach it. This is where the physical and mental gymnastics get
> interesting.
>
> Kerry
> 82 FC 35
> Denver
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
> wrote:
> >
> > Been contemplating that very issue as I am dealing with this problem.
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> > >
> > > When I had my 1982 FC 35 I was in the process of designing a way to
> > > completely fill the lines with antifreeze quickly. Believe it or
> > > not, it is not an easy thing to do because of the way BB
designed the
> > > fresh water system. It is even more difficult to do it on the PTs
> > > from what I am seeing with mine.
> > >
> > > However with that said I would strongly urge anyone that is in a
cold
> > > climate for even a short while to understand how the fresh water
> > > system works and make sure that you can winterize your copper
lines.
> > > If one splits as you can see it is almost impossible to get it back
> > > into its orignial configuration.
> > >
> > > One of the first projects after the installation of the Heart
2500 in
> > > my PT 40 will be a winterizing system that is quick and easy to
both
> > > winterize and flush the lines quickly of the antifreeze and get it
> > > back to its original condition.
> > > \
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > At 10:35 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Kerry- all I can say is 'good luck'. LOL..
> > > >
> > > >I had the same NIGHTMARE in my 'bird.. took a few
> > months to get
> > > >all the pipes replaced, and sort everything out. YES, I had to take
> > out the
> > > >fresh water tank, and the rear furnace, ect.while I was at it- I
> did it
> > > >right. I replaced the water pump, A Sporlan Valve rebuild kit,
> All the
> > > >fittings to adapt to the new plastic water line. Tubing put
> > in---BLUE color
> > > >for COLD, and RED color for HOT.. Lowe's has it all. Picked up new
> > water
> > > >pump at Camping World down the road.. Now everything works as
> > designed-holds
> > > >water pressure with pump off for weeks..
> > > >
> > > >See my pics in the forum for my old split copper pipes..
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
><http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/W...rowse/4c94>htt\
p://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wand...rowse/4c94
> > > >
> > > >Any Q's? I will be happy to help.. Been there and done that.!!!!!
> > Finally a
> > > >leak free BIRD
> > > >
> > > >Stephen Hare
> > > >
> > > >81 FC-33SB
> > > >
> > > >Plant City, FL GETTING NICE RAIN FROM ALBERTO!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >_____
> > > >
> > > >From:
> > >
> >
>
>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > >[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > davidkerryedwards
> > > >Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:03 PM
> > > >To:
> > >
> >
>
>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] water leak suggestions?
> > > >
> > > >I'm paying the price for buying my bird in the winter when I
couldn't
> > > >pressurize the plumbing. Pressurized it today and had a number of
> > > >leaks. First one I found was behind the shower. Terrible place to
> > > >get to, but I cut the copper and replaced the section with
reinforced
> > > >polyethelyene. However, once I got that done and pressurized it
> > > >again, a second leak appeared probably behind the water tank
> along the
> > > >outside wall. The odd thing is that before I fixed the shower
leak, I
> > > >had water at the kitchen and bath sinks but now I've fixed the
> shower,
> > > >I've got no water at the sinks and the whole floor from the water
> tank
> > > >forward is soaked. Any suggestions on how to figure out which
of the
> > > >three pipes that wind behind the water tank is leaking? I'd like to
> > > >avoid removing the rear bed, left cabinet and water tank to
> access the
> > > >pipes. I think the easiest fix is to figure out which pipe is
> > > >leaking, cut it fore and aft of the tank, fish in some reinforced
> > > >polyethelyne and replace it. Any advice is appreciated. I'd planned
> > > >to leave for a long trip in a few days and this has put a serious
> dent
> > > >in my preparations.
> > > >
> > > >Kerry
> > > >82 FC 35
> > > >Denver
> > > >
> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Stephen]

The pipes are as follows:



1 is pressurized city water

2 is fresh water from the tank

3 is return from WP to pressurize Hot water tank



Stephen Hare

81 FC-33SB

Plant City, Fl





_____

From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of davidkerryedwards
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:20 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?



I'm still hoping I can avoid a complete replacement at the moment
since we have plans to travel in the near future. I found the general
area of the broken pipe outboard of the water tank under the left bed.
I'll try to figure out which of the three pipes it is and fix or
replace. Do you know what the three pipes serve? Why 3?

Kerry._,___



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[davidkerryedwards]

How does the hot water get from the tank to the front?

Kerry

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@...> wrote:
>
> The pipes are as follows:
>
>
>
> 1 is pressurized city water
>
> 2 is fresh water from the tank
>
> 3 is return from WP to pressurize Hot water tank
>
>
>
> Stephen Hare
>
> 81 FC-33SB
>
> Plant City, Fl

[Stephen]

Through the regular hot water lines coming direct from the heater.. I guess
I should have worded the last one more clearly..



_____

From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of davidkerryedwards
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:13 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?



How does the hot water get from the tank to the front?

Kerry

--- In WanderlodgeForum@
yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@...> wrote:
>
> The pipes are as follows:
>
>
>
> 1 is pressurized city water
>
> 2 is fresh water from the tank
>
> 3 is return from WP to pressurize Hot water tank
>
>
>
> Stephen Hare
>
> 81 FC-33SB
>
> Plant City, Fl





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[davidkerryedwards]

I think I still must be missing something. I can only see three lines
coming from the tank/hw heater area going forward. One is from the
tank going to the pump under the sink. I had assumed the other two
were hot/cold that operated either on city pressure or were
pressurized from the pump somewhere under the sink. But if one is a
return pump pressure line then it seems another line is necessary for hot.

Kerry

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@...> wrote:
>
> Through the regular hot water lines coming direct from the heater..
I guess
> I should have worded the last one more clearly..
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of davidkerryedwards
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:13 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?
>
>
>
> How does the hot water get from the tank to the front?
>
> Kerry
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@> wrote:
> >
> > The pipes are as follows:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 is pressurized city water
> >
> > 2 is fresh water from the tank
> >
> > 3 is return from WP to pressurize Hot water tank
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Hare
> >
> > 81 FC-33SB
> >
> > Plant City, Fl
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Stephen]

Ok Let me try again.. I think I might have messed up..



1- from fresh tank feeding pump

2- pressurized city water/return from pump when on

3- hot water supply from tank



Additionally- there is a copper LP line there and a copper air line from the
air tanks to blowout the water system.



Stephen Hare

81 FC-33SB

Plant City, Fl





_____

From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of davidkerryedwards
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:53 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?



I think I still must be missing something. I can only see three lines
coming from the tank/hw heater area going forward. One is from the
tank going to the pump under the sink. I had assumed the other two
were hot/cold that operated either on city pressure or were
pressurized from the pump somewhere under the sink. But if one is a
return pump pressure line then it seems another line is necessary for hot.

Kerry

_



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[davidkerryedwards]

Ok, I get it now. I found the copper gas line but not the air line.
I'll have to look for it.

Kerry

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@...> wrote:
>
> Ok Let me try again.. I think I might have messed up..
>
>
>
> 1- from fresh tank feeding pump
>
> 2- pressurized city water/return from pump when on
>
> 3- hot water supply from tank
>
>
>
> Additionally- there is a copper LP line there and a copper air line
from the
> air tanks to blowout the water system.
>
>
>
> Stephen Hare
>
> 81 FC-33SB
>
> Plant City, Fl
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of davidkerryedwards
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:53 AM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?
>
>
>
> I think I still must be missing something. I can only see three lines
> coming from the tank/hw heater area going forward. One is from the
> tank going to the pump under the sink. I had assumed the other two
> were hot/cold that operated either on city pressure or were
> pressurized from the pump somewhere under the sink. But if one is a
> return pump pressure line then it seems another line is necessary
for hot.
>
> Kerry
>
> _
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[rwoodysurplus]

heck i cannot find a air line on mine

1981 fc rb

run heat in the bus all winter with full tanks

woody at ft bragg nc
-







-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> Ok, I get it now. I found the copper gas line but not the air
line.
> I'll have to look for it.
>
> Kerry
>
> -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@> wrote:
> >
> > Ok Let me try again.. I think I might have messed up..
> >
> >
> >
> > 1- from fresh tank feeding pump
> >
> > 2- pressurized city water/return from pump when on
> >
> > 3- hot water supply from tank
> >
> >
> >
> > Additionally- there is a copper LP line there and a copper air
line
> from the
> > air tanks to blowout the water system.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Hare
> >
> > 81 FC-33SB
> >
> > Plant City, Fl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
davidkerryedwards
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:53 AM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > I think I still must be missing something. I can only see three
lines
> > coming from the tank/hw heater area going forward. One is from the
> > tank going to the pump under the sink. I had assumed the other two
> > were hot/cold that operated either on city pressure or were
> > pressurized from the pump somewhere under the sink. But if one is
a
> > return pump pressure line then it seems another line is necessary
> for hot.
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > _
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Bruce Morris]

Woody, the air line on my FC 35 RB is on the outside wall in the water heater
compartment in the bathroom.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: rwoodysurplus
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?


heck i cannot find a air line on mine

1981 fc rb

run heat in the bus all winter with full tanks

woody at ft bragg nc
-

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> Ok, I get it now. I found the copper gas line but not the air
line.
> I'll have to look for it.
>
> Kerry
>
> -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@> wrote:
> >
> > Ok Let me try again.. I think I might have messed up..
> >
> >
> >
> > 1- from fresh tank feeding pump
> >
> > 2- pressurized city water/return from pump when on
> >
> > 3- hot water supply from tank
> >
> >
> >
> > Additionally- there is a copper LP line there and a copper air
line
> from the
> > air tanks to blowout the water system.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Hare
> >
> > 81 FC-33SB
> >
> > Plant City, Fl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
davidkerryedwards
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:53 AM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: water leak suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > I think I still must be missing something. I can only see three
lines
> > coming from the tank/hw heater area going forward. One is from the
> > tank going to the pump under the sink. I had assumed the other two
> > were hot/cold that operated either on city pressure or were
> > pressurized from the pump somewhere under the sink. But if one is
a
> > return pump pressure line then it seems another line is necessary
> for hot.
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> > _
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





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