Jacking up the coach

[birdshill123]

I am quite familair with how to raise a vehicle for servicing. We have
Class 4 and 5 trucks that are jacked up all the time. But a bus type
coach with air ride and especially a Bird is a whole other thing. If
you jack the rear up by the rear axle and place jack stands under the
axle that is no better than leaving it on the tires. You will have more
room but is just as unsafe. If an air bag blows or a line/valve leaks
the coach will drop. Same applies to the front axle. So my question is:
Where do you place the jack stands or blocking when you raise your
coach?

Bruce 1988 FC35

[mbulriss]

Bruce,

Depending on what I have to do and how far under I'm going, I made
ramps out of 2"x12" boards and drive it on. Then I block the wheels
and still add jack stands under the frame rails and one or two 20 ton
jacks on an axle or frame rail, just in case. OK,... so I'm chicken,
but I'm not getting squashed under there. It only takes an extra
minute or two to be safer.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> I am quite familair with how to raise a vehicle for servicing. We have
> Class 4 and 5 trucks that are jacked up all the time. But a bus type
> coach with air ride and especially a Bird is a whole other thing. If
> you jack the rear up by the rear axle and place jack stands under the
> axle that is no better than leaving it on the tires. You will have more
> room but is just as unsafe. If an air bag blows or a line/valve leaks
> the coach will drop. Same applies to the front axle. So my question is:
> Where do you place the jack stands or blocking when you raise your
> coach?
>
> Bruce 1988 FC35
>

[Mike Hohnstein]

The air suspension is a 4 link/panard bar type.
The vertical frame member that the horizontal tubular link bars bolt to and
pivot on is the best hard point to use for the jack stands. Front and rear.
Look carefully with a good light and it should be obvious.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: birdshill123
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Jacking up the coach


I am quite familair with how to raise a vehicle for servicing. We have
Class 4 and 5 trucks that are jacked up all the time. But a bus type
coach with air ride and especially a Bird is a whole other thing. If
you jack the rear up by the rear axle and place jack stands under the
axle that is no better than leaving it on the tires. You will have more
room but is just as unsafe. If an air bag blows or a line/valve leaks
the coach will drop. Same applies to the front axle. So my question is:
Where do you place the jack stands or blocking when you raise your
coach?

Bruce 1988 FC35





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[gcyeaw]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> Depending on what I have to do and how far under I'm going, I made
> ramps out of 2"x12" boards and drive it on. Then I block the wheels
> and still add jack stands under the frame rails and one or two 20
ton
> jacks on an axle or frame rail, just in case. OK,... so I'm
chicken,
> but I'm not getting squashed under there. It only takes an extra
> minute or two to be safer.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
>

Wouldn't it be better to set up your jacks and then purge the air?
That way everything is in a static condition and a failure wouldn't
result in a change of the stability of the setup.

Gardner

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
> wrote:
> >
> > I am quite familair with how to raise a vehicle for servicing.
We have
> > Class 4 and 5 trucks that are jacked up all the time. But a bus
type
> > coach with air ride and especially a Bird is a whole other
thing. If
> > you jack the rear up by the rear axle and place jack stands
under the
> > axle that is no better than leaving it on the tires. You will
have more
> > room but is just as unsafe. If an air bag blows or a line/valve
leaks
> > the coach will drop. Same applies to the front axle. So my
question is:
> > Where do you place the jack stands or blocking when you raise
your
> > coach?
> >
> > Bruce 1988 FC35
> >
>

[mbulriss]

Gardner,

Go to the archive and read the thread in message # 11892. Then you'll
know why not to just trust the leveler jacks. Hohnstein got his Bird
from the widow of a guy that trusted them. Miller's had two Birds
come off the jacks. I got my first Bird from a gentleman who lost his
next door neighbor under the neighbor's Bird after relying on the
jacks. All that first hand knowledge seems like ample evidence to me
not to trust just the leveler jacks. FWIW.....

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gcyeaw" wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Depending on what I have to do and how far under I'm going, I made
> > ramps out of 2"x12" boards and drive it on. Then I block the wheels
> > and still add jack stands under the frame rails and one or two 20
> ton
> > jacks on an axle or frame rail, just in case. OK,... so I'm
> chicken,
> > but I'm not getting squashed under there. It only takes an extra
> > minute or two to be safer.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
>
> Wouldn't it be better to set up your jacks and then purge the air?
> That way everything is in a static condition and a failure wouldn't
> result in a change of the stability of the setup.
>
> Gardner
>
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am quite familair with how to raise a vehicle for servicing.
> We have
> > > Class 4 and 5 trucks that are jacked up all the time. But a bus
> type
> > > coach with air ride and especially a Bird is a whole other
> thing. If
> > > you jack the rear up by the rear axle and place jack stands
> under the
> > > axle that is no better than leaving it on the tires. You will
> have more
> > > room but is just as unsafe. If an air bag blows or a line/valve
> leaks
> > > the coach will drop. Same applies to the front axle. So my
> question is:
> > > Where do you place the jack stands or blocking when you raise
> your
> > > coach?
> > >
> > > Bruce 1988 FC35
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Who ever thought the obituaries would be a source to find a lodge?


' Mr Rundover was a non smoker with no pets. family gathering and
testdrives after burial services, '

Greg


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> Gardner,
>
> Go to the archive and read the thread in message # 11892. Then
you'll
> know why not to just trust the leveler jacks. Hohnstein got his
Bird
> from the widow of a guy that trusted them. Miller's had two Birds
> come off the jacks. I got my first Bird from a gentleman who lost
his
> next door neighbor under the neighbor's Bird after relying on the
> jacks. All that first hand knowledge seems like ample evidence to
me
> not to trust just the leveler jacks. FWIW.....
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
>

[Rob Robinson]

Greg you are a card. Sue says she wants us to go to another rally with you.
Maybe one year there will be one in Southern California in early Nov or late
Apr. These are the times we could attend.

On 24/06/06, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> Who ever thought the obituaries would be a source to find a lodge?
>
> ' Mr Rundover was a non smoker with no pets. family gathering and
> testdrives after burial services, '
>
> Greg
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gardner,
> >
> > Go to the archive and read the thread in message # 11892. Then
> you'll
> > know why not to just trust the leveler jacks. Hohnstein got his
> Bird
> > from the widow of a guy that trusted them. Miller's had two Birds
> > come off the jacks. I got my first Bird from a gentleman who lost
> his
> > next door neighbor under the neighbor's Bird after relying on the
> > jacks. All that first hand knowledge seems like ample evidence to
> me
> > not to trust just the leveler jacks. FWIW.....
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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[gcyeaw]

Mike,
I was not referring to the leveler jacks, I meant jack stands that
are properly rated for the load and placed on a surface that is also
capable of supporting the stand. I would never trust leveler jacks or
any other system without a positive lock. I had only suggested
blowing the air to insure the stands were stable and the sudden
weight shift wouldn't cause unstability. To be honest, I don't think
you will find me under a bus unless it is at a repair facility.

Gardner

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> Gardner,
>
> Go to the archive and read the thread in message # 11892. Then
you'll
> know why not to just trust the leveler jacks. Hohnstein got his
Bird
> from the widow of a guy that trusted them. Miller's had two Birds
> come off the jacks. I got my first Bird from a gentleman who lost
his
> next door neighbor under the neighbor's Bird after relying on the
> jacks. All that first hand knowledge seems like ample evidence to
me
> not to trust just the leveler jacks. FWIW.....
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gcyeaw" wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruce,
> > >
> > > Depending on what I have to do and how far under I'm going, I
made
> > > ramps out of 2"x12" boards and drive it on. Then I block the
wheels
> > > and still add jack stands under the frame rails and one or two
20
> > ton
> > > jacks on an axle or frame rail, just in case. OK,... so I'm
> > chicken,
> > > but I'm not getting squashed under there. It only takes an
extra
> > > minute or two to be safer.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Wouldn't it be better to set up your jacks and then purge the
air?
> > That way everything is in a static condition and a failure
wouldn't
> > result in a change of the stability of the setup.
> >
> > Gardner
> >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am quite familair with how to raise a vehicle for
servicing.
> > We have
> > > > Class 4 and 5 trucks that are jacked up all the time. But a
bus
> > type
> > > > coach with air ride and especially a Bird is a whole other
> > thing. If
> > > > you jack the rear up by the rear axle and place jack stands
> > under the
> > > > axle that is no better than leaving it on the tires. You will
> > have more
> > > > room but is just as unsafe. If an air bag blows or a
line/valve
> > leaks
> > > > the coach will drop. Same applies to the front axle. So my
> > question is:
> > > > Where do you place the jack stands or blocking when you raise
> > your
> > > > coach?
> > > >
> > > > Bruce 1988 FC35
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Rob, Sue, there is a Rally planned for October 22 in Central
California. If that is too early for your winterizing campaign, we
will have to meet up on your trip. I built a 60 X 20 foot cover and
By Nov. My bus pit will be done.
Greg and Tim
Romoland California
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
wrote:
>
> Greg you are a card. Sue says she wants us to go to another rally
with you.
> Maybe one year there will be one in Southern California in early
Nov or late
> Apr. These are the times we could attend.
>
> On 24/06/06, Gregory OConnor wrote:
> >
> > Who ever thought the obituaries would be a source to find a
lodge?
> >
> > ' Mr Rundover was a non smoker with no pets. family gathering and
> > testdrives after burial services, '
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gardner,
> > >
> > > Go to the archive and read the thread in message # 11892. Then
> > you'll
> > > know why not to just trust the leveler jacks. Hohnstein got his
> > Bird
> > > from the widow of a guy that trusted them. Miller's had two
Birds
> > > come off the jacks. I got my first Bird from a gentleman who
lost
> > his
> > > next door neighbor under the neighbor's Bird after relying on
the
> > > jacks. All that first hand knowledge seems like ample evidence
to
> > me
> > > not to trust just the leveler jacks. FWIW.....
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Rob Robinson]

Thanks Greg. We'd love to stop along our way to say hello and maybe see that
puppy.

On 24/06/06, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> Rob, Sue, there is a Rally planned for October 22 in Central
> California. If that is too early for your winterizing campaign, we
> will have to meet up on your trip. I built a 60 X 20 foot cover and
> By Nov. My bus pit will be done.
> Greg and Tim
> Romoland California
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Rob Robinson"
> wrote:
> >
> > Greg you are a card. Sue says she wants us to go to another rally
> with you.
> > Maybe one year there will be one in Southern California in early
> Nov or late
> > Apr. These are the times we could attend.
>
> >
> > On 24/06/06, Gregory OConnor wrote:
> > >
> > > Who ever thought the obituaries would be a source to find a
> lodge?
> > >
> > > ' Mr Rundover was a non smoker with no pets. family gathering and
> > > testdrives after burial services, '
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > > "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gardner,
> > > >
> > > > Go to the archive and read the thread in message # 11892. Then
> > > you'll
> > > > know why not to just trust the leveler jacks. Hohnstein got his
> > > Bird
> > > > from the widow of a guy that trusted them. Miller's had two
> Birds
> > > > come off the jacks. I got my first Bird from a gentleman who
> lost
> > > his
> > > > next door neighbor under the neighbor's Bird after relying on
> the
> > > > jacks. All that first hand knowledge seems like ample evidence
> to
> > > me
> > > > not to trust just the leveler jacks. FWIW.....
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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