87 FC SB Owners manual needed

[Jay Darst]

I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here in
Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
procedure to make them work.

If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
helpful in getting these things to work.


The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the passenger
side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what do
these do?

There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level" and
then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on or
off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired up
or dumped?

My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...

More questions later...

If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.

Thanks
Jay Darst
85PT40
Springfield, IL

[Rick B]

Jay,

I have an 87FC, but it is different than the one you are describing.
My leveling jack levers are inside, on the floor just to the left of
the driver seat. There are no ouside levers.

Also, I have no "Master Air Level" switch, just the "Suspesion Dump"
switch which airs up/empties the air bags.

Perhaps the coach you have has an air-leveling system in addition to
the jacks, or maybe one of the first 87's which had some proto-typing
going on with the jacks/leveling systems? I don't know - maybe someone
else (like Jeff) has seen this configuration you have and provide more
info.

In any case, I don't think my owners manual will help you, but
feel free to call me if you have questions. I'll send my phone
numbers to your e-mail.

Rick Brink
87FC35
Rochester, MN

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here in
> Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
> years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
> procedure to make them work.
>
> If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
> helpful in getting these things to work.
>
>
> The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the passenger
> side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what do
> these do?
>
> There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level" and
> then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on or
> off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired up
> or dumped?
>
> My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
>
> More questions later...
>
> If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
>
> Thanks
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Springfield, IL
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Jay,
Sent you scanned instructions from owners manual, hope this helps.

Bob Janes, Greenvile, SC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here in
> Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
> years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
> procedure to make them work.
>
> If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
> helpful in getting these things to work.
>
>
> The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the
passenger
> side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what do
> these do?
>
> There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level"
and
> then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on or
> off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired up
> or dumped?
>
> My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
>
> More questions later...
>
> If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
>
> Thanks
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Springfield, IL
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Hi Rick,
Mine has the controls on the outside like Jay is referring. In the
manual it speaks of this panel only on the 35er's.

It is not both Air Level and Hydralic Level, Air Suspension and
Hydralic Leveling.

The MASTER has to ON for either system to work, however, the jacks
can be lowered with everything OFF. (Must be pressure release through
the lever control valves)

BTW, if the suspension is too high, the air springs will not inflate,
Hieght Control Relays are closed.

Bob Janes, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rick B" wrote:
>
> Jay,
>
> I have an 87FC, but it is different than the one you are describing.
> My leveling jack levers are inside, on the floor just to the left of
> the driver seat. There are no ouside levers.
>
> Also, I have no "Master Air Level" switch, just the "Suspesion Dump"
> switch which airs up/empties the air bags.
>
> Perhaps the coach you have has an air-leveling system in addition to
> the jacks, or maybe one of the first 87's which had some proto-
typing
> going on with the jacks/leveling systems? I don't know - maybe
someone
> else (like Jeff) has seen this configuration you have and provide
more
> info.
>
> In any case, I don't think my owners manual will help you, but
> feel free to call me if you have questions. I'll send my phone
> numbers to your e-mail.
>
> Rick Brink
> 87FC35
> Rochester, MN
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
> >
> > I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here
in
> > Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
> > years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
> > procedure to make them work.
> >
> > If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
> > helpful in getting these things to work.
> >
> >
> > The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the
passenger
> > side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what
do
> > these do?
> >
> > There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level"
and
> > then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on or
> > off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired
up
> > or dumped?
> >
> > My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
> >
> > More questions later...
> >
> > If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jay Darst
> > 85PT40
> > Springfield, IL
> >
>

[Ron Hazlett]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:Jay,

My leveling jack controls are on the outside. The 1st switch is
labeled master level, it must be on to operate the jacks. The second
switch is the susp. dump. I level the coach then dump the susp. To
keep things simple I use only 1 susp. dump switch and that is the one
on the dash. The air level master is a blank plate on my coach. In the
manual it says that this switch needs to be on for the leveling jacks
to work.I can fax some of the pages you may need, the manual is
somewhat large.

Ron Hazlett
1987 FC
Toledo,Ohio
>
> I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here in
> Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
> years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
> procedure to make them work.
>
> If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
> helpful in getting these things to work.
>
>
> The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the passenger
> side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what do
> these do?
>
> There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level" and
> then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on or
> off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired up
> or dumped?
>
> My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
>
> More questions later...
>
> If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
>
> Thanks
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Springfield, IL
>

[Jeff Miller]

The air dump switch is like yours, only electric.

The "master air level" switch would suggest that it is equipped with
the optional (and very rare) air leveling system available '87-'89,
which would likely include an auxiliary air pump (another dash
switch) and air dump valves. The air leveling system is like Country
Coach (for example) uses to level the coach when parked. Air
leveling is used instead of the hydraulic jacks, it is nice on soft
ground or where the jacks could do damage, but since it leaves the
weight on the airbags and tires it rocks more as you walk around
than does the hydraulic leveling. Cool option.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI
Formerly an air leveled FC owner


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here in
> Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
> years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
> procedure to make them work.
>
> If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
> helpful in getting these things to work.
>
>
> The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the
passenger
> side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what do
> these do?
>
> There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level"
and
> then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on or
> off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired
up
> or dumped?
>
> My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
>
> More questions later...
>
> If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
>
> Thanks
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Springfield, IL
>

[Jay Darst]

Thanks to all that replied to my request for the owners manual and
the leveling jacks question, the information you provided both on
the forum and by e-mail were extremely helpful!

The fella that I have been helping out, became a Wanderlodge lurker
about 10 days ago. He found a 1987 FC35SB in pretty good shape here
in Springfield, IL. The seller was the 2nd owner, had it since 1990.
The previous owner paid $150,000 in 1990.

The fella that was selling it from Springfield, indicated that the
Bird needed only 2 things repaired- an awning arm and something else
trivial that I don't remember.

NOW, The REALITY-
tires 10 years old
batteries 10 years old
bent Firestone aluminum wheel
Belts looked original w/Bluebird emblem on the belts
Jacks do not function at all- nuthin'!
All gas stuts are bad, I mean ALL of them
Generator cooling fan has no function
The refrigerator doesn't work
wheel hub leaking on right front
The water tank fill solenoid sticks
needs the headlamp update procerdure
turn signals on the side of the Bird(right side only) don't work
there's more, can't remember it all....

Alan Johnson from Dallas, TX is the new owner, good guy.
Before leaving Springfield for Dallas, he had the local truck shop
do EVERY fluid, belt and hose as well as fix the hub thing. I think
the shop had about 28 man hours on it.

We installed 6 6Volt T-105's and new cable ends, tried to diagnose
the gen cooling fan, figure out the jacks, etc.

The nice part of this rig is that it is unmolested(butchered
electrical for example), the interior is really nice, the paint is a
7 on a 10 scale(nice), its a 300hp Cat, it has a nice floor plan(1
couch, 1 chair & table), the step works properly.

Alan should be back in Dallas by Friday afternoon or evening with
his "new to him" 87 FC35SB. Alan restored a GMC motorhome, one of
theose that is front wheel drive, so he has some experience with
many of the systems. I am sure he will appreciate any support we
have to offer.

Jay Darst
85PT40
Springfield, IL where my bird is resting for its 3rd week in a row,
the longest idle period this year, I think :-|


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
wrote:
>
> The air dump switch is like yours, only electric.
>
> The "master air level" switch would suggest that it is equipped
with
> the optional (and very rare) air leveling system available '87-
'89,
> which would likely include an auxiliary air pump (another dash
> switch) and air dump valves. The air leveling system is like
Country
> Coach (for example) uses to level the coach when parked. Air
> leveling is used instead of the hydraulic jacks, it is nice on
soft
> ground or where the jacks could do damage, but since it leaves the
> weight on the airbags and tires it rocks more as you walk around
> than does the hydraulic leveling. Cool option.
>
> - Jeff Miller
> in Holland, MI
> Formerly an air leveled FC owner
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
> >
> > I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here
in
> > Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
> > years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
> > procedure to make them work.
> >
> > If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
> > helpful in getting these things to work.
> >
> >
> > The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the
> passenger
> > side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what
do
> > these do?
> >
> > There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level"
> and
> > then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on
or
> > off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired
> up
> > or dumped?
> >
> > My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
> >
> > More questions later...
> >
> > If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jay Darst
> > 85PT40
> > Springfield, IL
> >
>

[Pete Masterson]

Sure hope he replaced those 10 year old tires before going on the
road....

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 4203
El Sobrante, CA




On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Jay Darst wrote:

> Thanks to all that replied to my request for the owners manual and
> the leveling jacks question, the information you provided both on
> the forum and by e-mail were extremely helpful!
>
> The fella that I have been helping out, became a Wanderlodge lurker
> about 10 days ago. He found a 1987 FC35SB in pretty good shape here
> in Springfield, IL. The seller was the 2nd owner, had it since 1990.
> The previous owner paid $150,000 in 1990.
>
> The fella that was selling it from Springfield, indicated that the
> Bird needed only 2 things repaired- an awning arm and something else
> trivial that I don't remember.
>
> NOW, The REALITY-
> tires 10 years old
> batteries 10 years old
> bent Firestone aluminum wheel
> Belts looked original w/Bluebird emblem on the belts
> Jacks do not function at all- nuthin'!
> All gas stuts are bad, I mean ALL of them
> Generator cooling fan has no function
> The refrigerator doesn't work
> wheel hub leaking on right front
> The water tank fill solenoid sticks
> needs the headlamp update procerdure
> turn signals on the side of the Bird(right side only) don't work
> there's more, can't remember it all....
>
> Alan Johnson from Dallas, TX is the new owner, good guy.
> Before leaving Springfield for Dallas, he had the local truck shop
> do EVERY fluid, belt and hose as well as fix the hub thing. I think
> the shop had about 28 man hours on it.
>
> We installed 6 6Volt T-105's and new cable ends, tried to diagnose
> the gen cooling fan, figure out the jacks, etc.
>
> The nice part of this rig is that it is unmolested(butchered
> electrical for example), the interior is really nice, the paint is a
> 7 on a 10 scale(nice), its a 300hp Cat, it has a nice floor plan(1
> couch, 1 chair & table), the step works properly.
>
> Alan should be back in Dallas by Friday afternoon or evening with
> his "new to him" 87 FC35SB. Alan restored a GMC motorhome, one of
> theose that is front wheel drive, so he has some experience with
> many of the systems. I am sure he will appreciate any support we
> have to offer.
>
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Springfield, IL where my bird is resting for its 3rd week in a row,
> the longest idle period this year, I think :-|
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
> wrote:
>>
>> The air dump switch is like yours, only electric.
>>
>> The "master air level" switch would suggest that it is equipped
> with
>> the optional (and very rare) air leveling system available '87-
> '89,
>> which would likely include an auxiliary air pump (another dash
>> switch) and air dump valves. The air leveling system is like
> Country
>> Coach (for example) uses to level the coach when parked. Air
>> leveling is used instead of the hydraulic jacks, it is nice on
> soft
>> ground or where the jacks could do damage, but since it leaves the
>> weight on the airbags and tires it rocks more as you walk around
>> than does the hydraulic leveling. Cool option.
>>
>> - Jeff Miller
>> in Holland, MI
>> Formerly an air leveled FC owner
>>
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here
> in
>>> Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
>>> years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
>>> procedure to make them work.
>>>
>>> If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
>>> helpful in getting these things to work.
>>>
>>>
>>> The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the
>> passenger
>>> side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what
> do
>>> these do?
>>>
>>> There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air Level"
>> and
>>> then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on
> or
>>> off. What is the function of so many switches to either be aired
>> up
>>> or dumped?
>>>
>>> My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
>>>
>>> More questions later...
>>>
>>> If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jay Darst
>>> 85PT40
>>> Springfield, IL
>>>
>>
>
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[Jeff Miller]

Yeah, I looked that coach over last winter, it was pretty needy and
the owner (a smoker) was quite proud of it. I hope he got much more
realistic on price.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> Thanks to all that replied to my request for the owners manual and
> the leveling jacks question, the information you provided both on
> the forum and by e-mail were extremely helpful!
>
> The fella that I have been helping out, became a Wanderlodge lurker
> about 10 days ago. He found a 1987 FC35SB in pretty good shape here
> in Springfield, IL. The seller was the 2nd owner, had it since
1990.
> The previous owner paid $150,000 in 1990.
>
> The fella that was selling it from Springfield, indicated that the
> Bird needed only 2 things repaired- an awning arm and something
else
> trivial that I don't remember.
>
> NOW, The REALITY-
> tires 10 years old
> batteries 10 years old
> bent Firestone aluminum wheel
> Belts looked original w/Bluebird emblem on the belts
> Jacks do not function at all- nuthin'!
> All gas stuts are bad, I mean ALL of them
> Generator cooling fan has no function
> The refrigerator doesn't work
> wheel hub leaking on right front
> The water tank fill solenoid sticks
> needs the headlamp update procerdure
> turn signals on the side of the Bird(right side only) don't work
> there's more, can't remember it all....
>
> Alan Johnson from Dallas, TX is the new owner, good guy.
> Before leaving Springfield for Dallas, he had the local truck shop
> do EVERY fluid, belt and hose as well as fix the hub thing. I think
> the shop had about 28 man hours on it.
>
> We installed 6 6Volt T-105's and new cable ends, tried to diagnose
> the gen cooling fan, figure out the jacks, etc.
>
> The nice part of this rig is that it is unmolested(butchered
> electrical for example), the interior is really nice, the paint is
a
> 7 on a 10 scale(nice), its a 300hp Cat, it has a nice floor plan(1
> couch, 1 chair & table), the step works properly.
>
> Alan should be back in Dallas by Friday afternoon or evening with
> his "new to him" 87 FC35SB. Alan restored a GMC motorhome, one of
> theose that is front wheel drive, so he has some experience with
> many of the systems. I am sure he will appreciate any support we
> have to offer.
>
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Springfield, IL where my bird is resting for its 3rd week in a row,
> the longest idle period this year, I think :-|
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
> wrote:
> >
> > The air dump switch is like yours, only electric.
> >
> > The "master air level" switch would suggest that it is equipped
> with
> > the optional (and very rare) air leveling system available '87-
> '89,
> > which would likely include an auxiliary air pump (another dash
> > switch) and air dump valves. The air leveling system is like
> Country
> > Coach (for example) uses to level the coach when parked. Air
> > leveling is used instead of the hydraulic jacks, it is nice on
> soft
> > ground or where the jacks could do damage, but since it leaves
the
> > weight on the airbags and tires it rocks more as you walk around
> > than does the hydraulic leveling. Cool option.
> >
> > - Jeff Miller
> > in Holland, MI
> > Formerly an air leveled FC owner
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am helping a fella with his acquisition of a 1987 FC35SB here
> in
> > > Springfield. The Bird has been used VERY little over the past 2
> > > years and some things are not functioning OR I don't know the
> > > procedure to make them work.
> > >
> > > If someone could fax their owners manual to me, I may be more
> > > helpful in getting these things to work.
> > >
> > >
> > > The leveling jacks are controlled by levers OUTSIDE on the
> > passenger
> > > side. There are a couple switches next to the jack levers, what
> do
> > > these do?
> > >
> > > There is a switch on the dash that is labeled "Master Air
Level"
> > and
> > > then one that is labeled "suspension dump" and it is either on
> or
> > > off. What is the function of so many switches to either be
aired
> > up
> > > or dumped?
> > >
> > > My PT has air dump valve switches not electric...
> > >
> > > More questions later...
> > >
> > > If you have an owners manual you can fax, send to 217-529-4868.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jay Darst
> > > 85PT40
> > > Springfield, IL
> > >
> >
>