'79 FC won't start

[stephenskrocki]

A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was
a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector
pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up
like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge
job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right
now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of
tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've
learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough
job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do
any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I
think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you
seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have
experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to
share.

Thanks, Steve
1979 FC 3208 Cat

[davidkerryedwards]

My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice, except to
say that in
other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special tools.
Timing the
pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage lot
this weekend,
I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt 3208
pumps for
sale on Ebay.
Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested there is
a
connection between the new fuel and the failed pump?
I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd at
least check
and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access.

Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
> many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was
> a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector
> pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up
> like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge
> job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right
> now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of
> tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've
> learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough
> job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do
> any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I
> think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you
> seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have
> experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to
> share.
>
> Thanks, Steve
> 1979 FC 3208 Cat
>

[Mike Hohnstein]

Order a copy of service manual SEBR0541-03, review the text, aquire the special
items for the job and knock your self out.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: davidkerryedwards
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '79 FC won't start


My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice, except to
say that in
other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special tools.
Timing the
pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage lot
this weekend,
I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt
3208 pumps for
sale on Ebay.
Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested there
is a
connection between the new fuel and the failed pump?
I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd at
least check
and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access.

Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
> many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was
> a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector
> pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up
> like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge
> job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right
> now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of
> tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've
> learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough
> job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do
> any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I
> think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you
> seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have
> experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to
> share.
>
> Thanks, Steve
> 1979 FC 3208 Cat
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dshetron1]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki"
wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
> many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was
> a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector
> pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up
> like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge
> job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right
> now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of
> tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've
> learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough
> job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do
> any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I
> think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you
> seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have
> experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to
> share.
>
> Thanks, Steve
> 1979 FC 3208 Cat
>

Hello - I'm a frequent lurker and a Wanderlodge wannabe. If memory
serves me, removal of the injector pump on a 3208 requires removal of
the front engine cover. A rather large job on a FC as it would require
removal of radiator, fan and all accessory drives. If you remove the
pump yourself, be very careful to note the timing marks, and take the
pump to an injection shop for rebuild. Don't try to rebuild the pump
yourself.Someone else chime in please.
David Shetron
"Wannabe"

[davidkerryedwards]

i checked the shop manual. You do need access to the front and you need two
special
tools. One to disengage the cam gear and another to deal with the timing pin.
The
removal process does not look difficult. Most shade tree mechanics should be
able to do
it I think. I'm guessing it would take a better part of a day including
removing the
radiator. The shop manual I'm looking at as SEBR0514-01. I don't know how this
is
similar or different to Mike's manual.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
wrote:
>
> Order a copy of service manual SEBR0541-03, review the text, aquire the
special items
for the job and knock your self out.
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: davidkerryedwards
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:17 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '79 FC won't start
>
>
> My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice, except
to say that
in
> other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special tools.
Timing the
> pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage
lot this
weekend,
> I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt
3208 pumps
for
> sale on Ebay.
> Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested there
is a
> connection between the new fuel and the failed pump?
> I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd at
least
check
> and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access.
>
> Kerry
> 82 Fc 35
> Denver
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" wrote:
> >
> > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
> > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was
> > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector
> > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up
> > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge
> > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right
> > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of
> > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've
> > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough
> > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do
> > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I
> > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you
> > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have
> > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to
> > share.
> >
> > Thanks, Steve
> > 1979 FC 3208 Cat
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[davidkerryedwards]

No mention of removing the front cover in my manual. Access to the bolts to
disconnect
the pump from the cam are exposed. He'll have to remove the air filter, intake
manifold
and injector lines. Then the radiator and maybe also the fan. Then the pump
should
come out with the use of the two tools, one of which I think is designed to line
up a timing
pin.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dshetron1" wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki"
> wrote:
> >
> > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
> > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was
> > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector
> > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up
> > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge
> > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right
> > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of
> > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've
> > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough
> > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do
> > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I
> > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you
> > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have
> > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to
> > share.
> >
> > Thanks, Steve
> > 1979 FC 3208 Cat
> >
>
> Hello - I'm a frequent lurker and a Wanderlodge wannabe. If memory
> serves me, removal of the injector pump on a 3208 requires removal of
> the front engine cover. A rather large job on a FC as it would require
> removal of radiator, fan and all accessory drives. If you remove the
> pump yourself, be very careful to note the timing marks, and take the
> pump to an injection shop for rebuild. Don't try to rebuild the pump
> yourself.Someone else chime in please.
> David Shetron
> "Wannabe"
>

[davidkerryedwards]

I'm revising my opinion. I just looked at the shop manual again and I think
with a little
work on the front of the engine from above, and a little more from below, it
might just be
possible to remove the pump without removing the radiator. I think it might
even be able
to be done without removing the cooling fan, but if the cooling fan could be
removed with
access from above and below, I think it would be even easier to remove the pump
without
remving the radiator.

Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> i checked the shop manual. You do need access to the front and you need two
special
> tools. One to disengage the cam gear and another to deal with the timing pin.
The
> removal process does not look difficult. Most shade tree mechanics should be
able to
do
> it I think. I'm guessing it would take a better part of a day including
removing the
> radiator. The shop manual I'm looking at as SEBR0514-01. I don't know how
this is
> similar or different to Mike's manual.
>
> Kerry
> 82 FC 35
> Denver
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Order a copy of service manual SEBR0541-03, review the text, aquire the
special
items
> for the job and knock your self out.
> > MH
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: davidkerryedwards
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:17 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '79 FC won't start
> >
> >
> > My shop manual is in the coach so I can't help with specific advice,
except to say that
> in
> > other diesels I have owned, removing the IP has not required special
tools. Timing
the
> > pump after replacement would be the crucial step. If I get to the storage
lot this
> weekend,
> > I'llpull out the manual and check the instructions. I've seen some rebuilt
3208
pumps
> for
> > sale on Ebay.
> > Were you running ultra low sulphur fuel in it and has anyone suggested
there is a
> > connection between the new fuel and the failed pump?
> > I don't know how the pump attaches but before I removed the radiator, I'd
at least
> check
> > and see if the pump was removable via the doghouse access.
> >
> > Kerry
> > 82 Fc 35
> > Denver
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "stephenskrocki" wrote:
> > >
> > > A few weeks ago I posted about my 3208 Cat not starting. There were
> > > many helpful replies, and they were all pretty much right on. It was
> > > a fuel problem and the problem ultimately lies in the fuel injector
> > > pump. The Cat mechanic who looked at it had never seen a pump lock up
> > > like that after sitting only a month. Anyway, I guess it is a huge
> > > job to pull the pump to have it re-built. Being tight on cash right
> > > now, I can't afford to have Caterpiller do the work. I'm thinking of
> > > tackling the job myself though. I'm a pretty quick learner, and I've
> > > learned my way through many problems on cars. Is this a really tough
> > > job? Am I crazy for trying to do it? Do I need special tools to do
> > > any of it? I don't have a swing-out radiator (I don't think) so I
> > > think I have to remove a lot of stuff to get to the pump. Many of you
> > > seem very knowledgable and I imagine someone of you may have
> > > experience with this. I'd appreciate any info that anyone cares to
> > > share.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Steve
> > > 1979 FC 3208 Cat
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>