FC Generator Compartment Walls

[hsaddock]

At the risk of getting a spirited debate going - after checking out
the Lizardskin web page, I can assure all that from a sound
control/attenuation standpoint .020"-.025" (their recommended
thickness for sound control) or any spray able thickness of this
stuff will not hold a candle to traditional composite sound
control/attenuation materials made by companies like Soundown or even
lesser materials like products sold by JC Whitney. No real data
presented only "Testimonials", most of their thickness measurements
have the decimal in the wrong place – however, the stuff MAY have
some value as a ceramic thermal insulation – would need more
data/study to comment further.
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
>
> --
>
>
>
> JUERGEN:
> MY 90 SP 36 IS A GREAT BIRD AND I'VE DECIDED TO KEEP IT RATHER THAN
> GIVE IT AWAY FOR $75,000 REGARDLESS OF THE MARKET ETC....IT IS
> WORTH MUCH MORE...AS FOR LIZARD SKIN, I USED IT ON THE 80FC31 NOT
ON
> THE 90SP...I PUT THE LEAD/FOAM PURCHASED AT MARINE STORES FOR OVER
> $100 PER SHEAT..IT IS NICE BUT HAS A MIDDLE SAG IN IT BUT MUCH
> IMPROVED OVER THE "CRAP" BLUEBIRD INSTALLED ORIGINALLY..WHAT A MESS
> THAT WAS...CRUMBLES AFTER 16 YEARS..IMAGINE THAT!
> I MAY DO THE FRONT RADIATOR HOUSING ON THE SP IN A FEW YEARS
> WITH "LIZARD SKIN."
>
> NO MORE MESS OR SAGGING!! ALSO, I PAINTED IT ON.NOT SPRAYED!!!IT
IS
> SAME AS "MUD" USED ON SHEET ROCK IN CONSISTANCY... I LIKED IT AND
> COST WAS JUST A BIT HIGHER THAN.. THE LEAD FOAM SHEETS.. HOPE THAT
> ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
> ALSO PLEASE TELL YOUR FRIENDS INTERESTED IN A GREAT BIRD TO EMAIL
ME
> OR CALL ON MY 80fc31..IT IS READY TO GO!!!
> REGARDS,
> HANK HANNIGAN
> 80FC31 FOR SALE IN VEGAS
> 90SP 36..NOT FOR SALE ANYMORE...IN VEGAS
> WE LEAVE FOR AUSTRALIA ON 2 NOVEMBER.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Hank
> > I just read abour Lizaed skin last night and thought about it
> today when I cleaned up my engine compartment. Soggy foam stuff
> hanging all around and some foam actually dis integrating, creating
> a hell of a mess. Now, if I could get the engine out and then
> respray the engine compartment with Lizard Skin, that would create
a
> nice compartment. How do you like your 90 SP36? You can find my
> Handbook on a 91 SP in the files section.
> > Juergen in PA
> > 1991 WLSP36
> >
> > Henry Jay Hannigan
> wrote: ---Scott:
> > If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD SKIN" it
> is a
> > space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my 80FC31
and
> it
> > is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is great..and
> about
> > the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at
Marine
> > store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD SKIN."
> > Check it out on the net.
> > Regards,
> > Hank Hannigan
> > 80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > >
> > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into
> the "ceiling" of
> > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps sagging
> > regardless
> > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any tips? I
> can't
> > seem
> > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Stephen Birtles]

you forgot to mention Capeinnovation also has composite insulation but
thats okay

Stephen 77fc35



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> I am going to make an exception because I believe this is so
> important. Do not use LIZARD SKIN on your
> doghouse or generator compartment. It is a wonderful material when
> used as an INSULATOR however it does absolutely nothing for the real
> problem caused by a diesel engine running in close proximity to the
> driving compartment....NOISE! To reduce noise you need a composite
> insulation that combines both a heat shield and a sound suppressor.
> To do this effectively, that is to attenuate the specific kinds of
> radiated noise that diesels put out, you need a 2# per sq foot
> composite foam insulation which contains a lead as a separator
> between the two densities of foam. There is also the same composite
> that uses a heavy vinyl separator and it does work but at a reduced
> There are several companies that sell this including http://www.soundown.com
> however JC Whitney is NOT one of them. If you decide to do it on the
> cheap that is of course your efficiency. The choice is yours but if
> you want to really reduce the noise and the heat then use the correct
> product. Lizard skin is a ceramic insulator and is not suitable for
this job.
>
> Tom Warner
> Vernon Center, NY
> 1985 PT 40
>
> you need At 10:43 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
> >---Scott:
> >If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD SKIN" it is a
> >space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my 80FC31 and it
> >is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is great..and about
> >the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at Marine
> >store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD SKIN."
> >Check it out on the net.
> >Regards,
> >Hank Hannigan
> >80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > >
> > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into the "ceiling" of
> > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps sagging
> >regardless
> > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any tips? I can't
> >seem
> > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
> > >
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---This is in response to Tom's.. DO NOT USE LIZARD SKIN
WARNING...welll...I've been there and done that...AFTER applying
the "LIZARD SKIN" to the doghouse on my FC, the heat was MUCH less
AND the sound was less than the OLD foam, although there wasn't much
foam left........I am happy with the "lizard skin" as it
significantly reduced the HEAT AND did reduce sound, but heck, the
sound on the FC still comes from the front so it is difficult to
determine how much sound the "SKIN" reduced.....
ALSO, the company also sells a seperate bucket of "LIZARD SKIN SOUND
REDUCER" that I chose NOT to buy. Hey gang, I've been there and
I'd do "lizard skin" again!!! Probably next year when we get Back
from Australia in MAY, I'll put "lizard skin" in the SP radiator
compartment BUT I'll probably spring for the extra $200 bucket and
buy the SOUND REDUCER TOO!!
Best REGARDS to ALL!
Anybody need a great 80FC31???
$30,000 and I'll pay your AIR FARE to VEGAS to get it...Ask Harvey
Lawrence about it..He saw it Last week!!
Hank Hannigan
90SP36 in VEGAS..keeping it!
80FC31..a beauty FOR SALE IN VEGAS $30,000 and air fare!
In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> I am going to make an exception because I believe this is so
> important. Do not use LIZARD SKIN on your
> doghouse or generator compartment. It is a wonderful material when
> used as an INSULATOR however it does absolutely nothing for the
real
> problem caused by a diesel engine running in close proximity to
the
> driving compartment....NOISE! To reduce noise you need a
composite
> insulation that combines both a heat shield and a sound
suppressor.
> To do this effectively, that is to attenuate the specific kinds of
> radiated noise that diesels put out, you need a 2# per sq foot
> composite foam insulation which contains a lead as a separator
> between the two densities of foam. There is also the same
composite
> that uses a heavy vinyl separator and it does work but at a
reduced
> There are several companies that sell this including
http://www.soundown.com
> however JC Whitney is NOT one of them. If you decide to do it on
the
> cheap that is of course your efficiency. The choice is yours but
if
> you want to really reduce the noise and the heat then use the
correct
> product. Lizard skin is a ceramic insulator and is not suitable
for this job.
>
> Tom Warner
> Vernon Center, NY
> 1985 PT 40
>
> you need At 10:43 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
> >---Scott:
> >If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD SKIN" it
is a
> >space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my 80FC31 and
it
> >is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is great..and
about
> >the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at Marine
> >store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD SKIN."
> >Check it out on the net.
> >Regards,
> >Hank Hannigan
> >80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > >
> > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into
the "ceiling" of
> > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps sagging
> >regardless
> > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any tips? I
can't
> >seem
> > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
> > >
>

[Stephen Birtles]

please provide spec sheets for this product and I will do the same
if you want the same composite you expound about it can be built. Soundown
is nothing more than a marketing company to sell this product.
Judging by their website they source and sell product in a value added
fashion
I am sure that you should post this on the forum instead of hiding it in a
private off forum email. I stand behind all he product I sell and as
stated
before I sell for the cost of expenses to Bluebird Owners as a service
not a
livelihood
And I have stated to the groups and to you also the composition of this
product in previous posts. If you want the exact chemical composition
including MSDS sheets of this product I will be more than happy to provide
them and I am sure you will do the same

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Warner [mailto:warbucks@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:36 AM
To: Stephen Birtles
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: FC Generator Compartment Walls

Stephen we have talked about this before but you never explained to
the group (or me) exactly what kind of composite you have, at least I
dont remember that you did. These composites are not all the same
and from my perspective it would be a shame for a forum member to
install a composite only to find out they are not getting the noise
suppression they wanted or they have spent the money for. In addition
its a lot of work to do the doghouse and the generator compartment,
been there done that on 2 coaches soon to be 3.

If you want the highest attenuation you should use 2" thick 2# per
square foot composite with lead separator on the dog house on the FC
models and 1" thick 2# per sq foot in the generator compartment. The
next best is 1# per sq foot composite with a lead separator and
then vinyl separators are below those for attenuation. I believe
that is what you sell.

Point I am making is that forum members should know exactly what you
are selling as far as the specifications. Then let them decide. I
have no dog in this fight and do not intend to comment on what you
are selling on the forum. Is that fair enough? I had a contract with
soundown to buy their composite because I believe it is the best one
on the market. http://www.soundown.com Since I am not interested in
selling things to the BB community there is no reason you cannot sell
their composites and other materials such as carpet underlayment to
forum members. I would advise you to at least consider soundown.



tom warner

At 10:24 AM 10/22/2006, you wrote:

>you forgot to mention Capeinnovation also has composite insulation but
>thats okay
>
>Stephen 77fc35
>








--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> I am going to make an exception because I believe this is so
> important. Do not use LIZARD SKIN on your
> doghouse or generator compartment. It is a wonderful material when
> used as an INSULATOR however it does absolutely nothing for the real
> problem caused by a diesel engine running in close proximity to the
> driving compartment....NOISE! To reduce noise you need a composite
> insulation that combines both a heat shield and a sound suppressor.
> To do this effectively, that is to attenuate the specific kinds of
> radiated noise that diesels put out, you need a 2# per sq foot
> composite foam insulation which contains a lead as a separator
> between the two densities of foam. There is also the same composite
> that uses a heavy vinyl separator and it does work but at a reduced
> There are several companies that sell this including http://www.soundown.com
> however JC Whitney is NOT one of them. If you decide to do it on the
> cheap that is of course your efficiency. The choice is yours but if
> you want to really reduce the noise and the heat then use the correct
> product. Lizard skin is a ceramic insulator and is not suitable for
this job.
>
> Tom Warner
> Vernon Center, NY
> 1985 PT 40
>
> you need At 10:43 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
> >---Scott:
> >If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD SKIN" it is a
> >space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my 80FC31 and it
> >is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is great..and about
> >the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at Marine
> >store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD SKIN."
> >Check it out on the net.
> >Regards,
> >Hank Hannigan
> >80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > >
> > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into the "ceiling" of
> > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps sagging
> >regardless
> > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any tips? I can't
> >seem
> > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
> > >
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---HEAT & NOISE PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITH LIZARD SKIN....ONE BUCKET
FOR SOUND AND A DIFFERENT BUCKET FOR HEAT...CHECK THE
WEB.....AND....I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING...I'M JUST AN OLD ATTORNEY
STAYING AWAY FROM THE "ALL ABOUT MONEY" WORLD!
REGARDS,
HANK HANNIGAN






In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> you forgot to mention Capeinnovation also has composite insulation
but
> thats okay
>
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> >
> > I am going to make an exception because I believe this is so
> > important. Do not use LIZARD SKIN on your
> > doghouse or generator compartment. It is a wonderful material
when
> > used as an INSULATOR however it does absolutely nothing for the
real
> > problem caused by a diesel engine running in close proximity to
the
> > driving compartment....NOISE! To reduce noise you need a
composite
> > insulation that combines both a heat shield and a sound
suppressor.
> > To do this effectively, that is to attenuate the specific kinds
of
> > radiated noise that diesels put out, you need a 2# per sq foot
> > composite foam insulation which contains a lead as a separator
> > between the two densities of foam. There is also the same
composite
> > that uses a heavy vinyl separator and it does work but at a
reduced
> > There are several companies that sell this including
http://www.soundown.com
> > however JC Whitney is NOT one of them. If you decide to do it on
the
> > cheap that is of course your efficiency. The choice is yours
but if
> > you want to really reduce the noise and the heat then use the
correct
> > product. Lizard skin is a ceramic insulator and is not suitable
for
> this job.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center, NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > you need At 10:43 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
> > >---Scott:
> > >If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD SKIN" it
is a
> > >space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my 80FC31
and it
> > >is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is great..and
about
> > >the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at
Marine
> > >store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD
SKIN."
> > >Check it out on the net.
> > >Regards,
> > >Hank Hannigan
> > >80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into
the "ceiling" of
> > > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps sagging
> > >regardless
> > > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any tips? I
can't
> > >seem
> > > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > > >
> > > > Scott Forman
> > > > 82 FC35RB
> > > > Memphis
> > > >
> >
>

[Stephen Birtles]

Hank
I am glad you found an alternative to the sound and heat problem in
your coach. There are alternatives solutions to every problem. You
have found one that works for you and serves the purpose intended
I just posted that I also provide a solution not to provide a WARNING
or caveat as stated in previous posts, just I have an alternative that
was carefully not mentioned by others. This was not meant to start a
peeing contest but apperently some of us have the dribbles


By the way if you need an assistant to carry your bags to Australia
I am available, work for cheap and dont eat much just need someone to
pay for plane fare
Have a great trip
Stephen 77fc35



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
>
> ---HEAT & NOISE PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITH LIZARD SKIN....ONE BUCKET
> FOR SOUND AND A DIFFERENT BUCKET FOR HEAT...CHECK THE
> WEB.....AND....I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING...I'M JUST AN OLD ATTORNEY
> STAYING AWAY FROM THE "ALL ABOUT MONEY" WORLD!
> REGARDS,
> HANK HANNIGAN
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> wrote:
> >
> > you forgot to mention Capeinnovation also has composite insulation
> but
> > thats okay
> >
> > Stephen 77fc35
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am going to make an exception because I believe this is so
> > > important. Do not use LIZARD SKIN on your
> > > doghouse or generator compartment. It is a wonderful material
> when
> > > used as an INSULATOR however it does absolutely nothing for the
> real
> > > problem caused by a diesel engine running in close proximity to
> the
> > > driving compartment....NOISE! To reduce noise you need a
> composite
> > > insulation that combines both a heat shield and a sound
> suppressor.
> > > To do this effectively, that is to attenuate the specific kinds
> of
> > > radiated noise that diesels put out, you need a 2# per sq foot
> > > composite foam insulation which contains a lead as a separator
> > > between the two densities of foam. There is also the same
> composite
> > > that uses a heavy vinyl separator and it does work but at a
> reduced
> > > There are several companies that sell this including
> http://www.soundown.com
> > > however JC Whitney is NOT one of them. If you decide to do it on
> the
> > > cheap that is of course your efficiency. The choice is yours
> but if
> > > you want to really reduce the noise and the heat then use the
> correct
> > > product. Lizard skin is a ceramic insulator and is not suitable
> for
> > this job.
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center, NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > you need At 10:43 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
> > > >---Scott:
> > > >If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD SKIN" it
> is a
> > > >space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my 80FC31
> and it
> > > >is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is great..and
> about
> > > >the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at
> Marine
> > > >store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD
> SKIN."
> > > >Check it out on the net.
> > > >Regards,
> > > >Hank Hannigan
> > > >80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into
> the "ceiling" of
> > > > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps sagging
> > > >regardless
> > > > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any tips? I
> can't
> > > >seem
> > > > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott Forman
> > > > > 82 FC35RB
> > > > > Memphis
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
STEPHEN:
Thanks for the comment...many ways to "skin a cat!" My "lizard
skin" way worked for me and when I put it on the generator
compartment of my 90SP next may, I will probably put on a bucket
of "lizard skin" sound proofing first and then a second bucket
of "lizard skin" heat shield. DRAWBACK is is that it will cost me
about $250 more than your stuff.

As for Australia, we have a small house near Melbourne and wouldbe
happy to house any forum member for a week or so..nothing fancy but
it has a roof etc........sorry can't help with the air fare but I
saw a recent commercial showing about $1000 with 3 inside air
tickets included...that's a heck of a deal.....

Also..you own an FC....so mabe you can steer your friends to my
beautiful 80FC....for sale $30,000 and Vegas air fare paid if
purchased.......this 80 bird is a "runner"...Harvey Lawrence is a
BIRD EXPERT and he saw it last week.......call him if anyone
interested...he liked it...If I don't sell it before I leave for
Australia on 31 October, I will just store it here in VEGAS and
maybe sell it to Harvey Lawrence next MAY when we return.

take care,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36...keeping it...
80FC31..for sale in VEGAS NOW..$30,000 plus paid air fare if buy.







cape0001@...> wrote:
>
> Hank
> I am glad you found an alternative to the sound and heat problem in
> your coach. There are alternatives solutions to every problem. You
> have found one that works for you and serves the purpose intended
> I just posted that I also provide a solution not to provide a
WARNING
> or caveat as stated in previous posts, just I have an alternative
that
> was carefully not mentioned by others. This was not meant to start
a
> peeing contest but apperently some of us have the dribbles
>
>
> By the way if you need an assistant to carry your bags to
Australia
> I am available, work for cheap and dont eat much just need someone
to
> pay for plane fare
> Have a great trip
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---HEAT & NOISE PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITH LIZARD SKIN....ONE
BUCKET
> > FOR SOUND AND A DIFFERENT BUCKET FOR HEAT...CHECK THE
> > WEB.....AND....I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING...I'M JUST AN OLD
ATTORNEY
> > STAYING AWAY FROM THE "ALL ABOUT MONEY" WORLD!
> > REGARDS,
> > HANK HANNIGAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > you forgot to mention Capeinnovation also has composite
insulation
> > but
> > > thats okay
> > >
> > > Stephen 77fc35
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner

> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am going to make an exception because I believe this is so
> > > > important. Do not use LIZARD SKIN on your
> > > > doghouse or generator compartment. It is a wonderful
material
> > when
> > > > used as an INSULATOR however it does absolutely nothing for
the
> > real
> > > > problem caused by a diesel engine running in close proximity
to
> > the
> > > > driving compartment....NOISE! To reduce noise you need a
> > composite
> > > > insulation that combines both a heat shield and a sound
> > suppressor.
> > > > To do this effectively, that is to attenuate the specific
kinds
> > of
> > > > radiated noise that diesels put out, you need a 2# per sq
foot
> > > > composite foam insulation which contains a lead as a
separator
> > > > between the two densities of foam. There is also the same
> > composite
> > > > that uses a heavy vinyl separator and it does work but at a
> > reduced
> > > > There are several companies that sell this including
> > http://www.soundown.com
> > > > however JC Whitney is NOT one of them. If you decide to do
it on
> > the
> > > > cheap that is of course your efficiency. The choice is
yours
> > but if
> > > > you want to really reduce the noise and the heat then use
the
> > correct
> > > > product. Lizard skin is a ceramic insulator and is not
suitable
> > for
> > > this job.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Warner
> > > > Vernon Center, NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > > you need At 10:43 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >---Scott:
> > > > >If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD
SKIN" it
> > is a
> > > > >space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my
80FC31
> > and it
> > > > >is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is
great..and
> > about
> > > > >the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at
> > Marine
> > > > >store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD
> > SKIN."
> > > > >Check it out on the net.
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >Hank Hannigan
> > > > >80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into
> > the "ceiling" of
> > > > > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps
sagging
> > > > >regardless
> > > > > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any
tips? I
> > can't
> > > > >seem
> > > > > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott Forman
> > > > > > 82 FC35RB
> > > > > > Memphis
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Hank: No swimming with Stingrays, OK?

Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL




----- Original Message -----
From: Henry Jay Hannigan
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: FC Generator Compartment Walls


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
STEPHEN:
Thanks for the comment...many ways to "skin a cat!" My "lizard
skin" way worked for me and when I put it on the generator
compartment of my 90SP next may, I will probably put on a bucket
of "lizard skin" sound proofing first and then a second bucket
of "lizard skin" heat shield. DRAWBACK is is that it will cost me
about $250 more than your stuff.

As for Australia, we have a small house near Melbourne and wouldbe
happy to house any forum member for a week or so..nothing fancy but
it has a roof etc........sorry can't help with the air fare but I
saw a recent commercial showing about $1000 with 3 inside air
tickets included...that's a heck of a deal.....

Also..you own an FC....so mabe you can steer your friends to my
beautiful 80FC....for sale $30,000 and Vegas air fare paid if
purchased.......this 80 bird is a "runner"...Harvey Lawrence is a
BIRD EXPERT and he saw it last week.......call him if anyone
interested...he liked it...If I don't sell it before I leave for
Australia on 31 October, I will just store it here in VEGAS and
maybe sell it to Harvey Lawrence next MAY when we return.

take care,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36...keeping it...
80FC31..for sale in VEGAS NOW..$30,000 plus paid air fare if buy.

cape0001@...> wrote:
>
> Hank
> I am glad you found an alternative to the sound and heat problem in
> your coach. There are alternatives solutions to every problem. You
> have found one that works for you and serves the purpose intended
> I just posted that I also provide a solution not to provide a
WARNING
> or caveat as stated in previous posts, just I have an alternative
that
> was carefully not mentioned by others. This was not meant to start
a
> peeing contest but apperently some of us have the dribbles
>
>
> By the way if you need an assistant to carry your bags to
Australia
> I am available, work for cheap and dont eat much just need someone
to
> pay for plane fare
> Have a great trip
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---HEAT & NOISE PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITH LIZARD SKIN....ONE
BUCKET
> > FOR SOUND AND A DIFFERENT BUCKET FOR HEAT...CHECK THE
> > WEB.....AND....I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING...I'M JUST AN OLD
ATTORNEY
> > STAYING AWAY FROM THE "ALL ABOUT MONEY" WORLD!
> > REGARDS,
> > HANK HANNIGAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > you forgot to mention Capeinnovation also has composite
insulation
> > but
> > > thats okay
> > >
> > > Stephen 77fc35
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner

> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am going to make an exception because I believe this is so
> > > > important. Do not use LIZARD SKIN on your
> > > > doghouse or generator compartment. It is a wonderful
material
> > when
> > > > used as an INSULATOR however it does absolutely nothing for
the
> > real
> > > > problem caused by a diesel engine running in close proximity
to
> > the
> > > > driving compartment....NOISE! To reduce noise you need a
> > composite
> > > > insulation that combines both a heat shield and a sound
> > suppressor.
> > > > To do this effectively, that is to attenuate the specific
kinds
> > of
> > > > radiated noise that diesels put out, you need a 2# per sq
foot
> > > > composite foam insulation which contains a lead as a
separator
> > > > between the two densities of foam. There is also the same
> > composite
> > > > that uses a heavy vinyl separator and it does work but at a
> > reduced
> > > > There are several companies that sell this including
> > http://www.soundown.com
> > > > however JC Whitney is NOT one of them. If you decide to do
it on
> > the
> > > > cheap that is of course your efficiency. The choice is
yours
> > but if
> > > > you want to really reduce the noise and the heat then use
the
> > correct
> > > > product. Lizard skin is a ceramic insulator and is not
suitable
> > for
> > > this job.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Warner
> > > > Vernon Center, NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > > you need At 10:43 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >---Scott:
> > > > >If u need new insulation...suggest u consider "LIZARD
SKIN" it
> > is a
> > > > >space age product that I painted on the doghouse of my
80FC31
> > and it
> > > > >is a ceramic heat/sound shield.........I think it is
great..and
> > about
> > > > >the same price of two lead/sponge shields that I bought at
> > Marine
> > > > >store for my 90SP36........I would rather have the "LIZARD
> > SKIN."
> > > > >Check it out on the net.
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >Hank Hannigan
> > > > >80FC31...creampuff for sale in Vegas for $30,000 now!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are they made of? Kryptonite?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to thread some self-tapping screws into
> > the "ceiling" of
> > > > > > the compartment to secure my insulation that keeps
sagging
> > > > >regardless
> > > > > > of the amount of adhesive I apply. Anyone have any
tips? I
> > can't
> > > > >seem
> > > > > > to get anything to penetrate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott Forman
> > > > > > 82 FC35RB
> > > > > > Memphis
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





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