Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???
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10-27-2006, 17:27
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Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???
I started adding STP to my fuel after a long discussion on this same
topic a few months back. Any comments? Should I stop? Anyone else use STP? Mario 1985FC35 Leucadia CA. -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor" > > Ernie, I just got stopped by a random check 10-12-2006 in a dump truck. > they put a glass straw in the fuel put a thumb on the end and draw out > a sample. I use ATF and it did not show them any concern about reddye > indication. it was interesting that my license plates did not match > the registration and that was not an issue for a ticket, but a minor > exhaust leak was. > Greg > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote: > > > > I have heard of folks getting stopped and the highway patrol checking > their > > fuel for red dye. Of course, in ALL my travels- have never witnessed > that. But- > > would the ATF have the same dye effect as off road diesel? Just > curious. > > > > Ernie Ekberg > > 83 PT40 > > Livingston, Montana > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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10-27-2006, 17:41
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Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???
Bruce, It was on the BP Web Site. Here is one of the answers they give.
Additionally they say that they have been selling it in CA under the ARCO brand as "ECD" since 2002 and have 140 retail locations where it has been sold. "ARCO and BP have performed extensive trials using ULSD with diesel vehicles retrofitted with particulate filters. From 1999 through 2003, 72 retrofitted trucks accumulated over 17 million miles with ULSD in sponsored test programs. This includes 30 tanker trucks from the ARCO distribution fleet accumulating over 7 million miles plus vehicles in applications ranging from grocery distribution to refuse hauling, school buses and metropolitan transit buses. In this time, four particulate filters were cleaned in preparation for emissions testing and one transit bus filter plugged due to a faulty fuel injector. Most of the filters have lasted the life of the vehicle without any cleaning required." They have a number of questions and answers. http://www.bp.com will get you there. Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC Webmaster - WOO (http://www.wanderlodge.us) 1983 WL FC35RB FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv ----- Original Message ----- From: birdshill123 To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines??? It is amazing how a thread can change. Now we have conspiracy theories as to why they changed the fuel ??? Bruce Morris: Where did you read that ULSD was being used for the last 6 years in some fleets.?It is my understanding that until 2006 there were no refineries capable of producing this fuel. Unless they brought it from Europe. Please correct me if I am wrong. As for the posts about biodiesel: If you were to really invetsigate how much energy is expended to gather the oil and truck it to a refinery and then have to truck it to the stations one would soon see that it is a waste of energy. It cannot enter the pipelines. Same thing applies to Corn Fuel in the Midwest. One big hoax. It does nothing to save energy as it contains less BTU's and you burn more fuel!! Bruce 1988 FC35 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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10-27-2006, 23:14
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Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???
Just use the ATF.
MH ----- Original Message ----- From: ssyd1 To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:27 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines??? I started adding STP to my fuel after a long discussion on this same topic a few months back. Any comments? Should I stop? Anyone else use STP? Mario 1985FC35 Leucadia CA. -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor" > > Ernie, I just got stopped by a random check 10-12-2006 in a dump truck. > they put a glass straw in the fuel put a thumb on the end and draw out > a sample. I use ATF and it did not show them any concern about reddye > indication. it was interesting that my license plates did not match > the registration and that was not an issue for a ticket, but a minor > exhaust leak was. > Greg > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote: > > > > I have heard of folks getting stopped and the highway patrol checking > their > > fuel for red dye. Of course, in ALL my travels- have never witnessed > that. But- > > would the ATF have the same dye effect as off road diesel? Just > curious. > > > > Ernie Ekberg > > 83 PT40 > > Livingston, Montana > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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10-28-2006, 07:03
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Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???
Bruce: These retrofitted vehicles were probably all recent models. I
doubt anything as antique as a 3208. The seals they are using in thir pumps are not the same as in our old babies. Any experience thay had do not relate to BB owners. Bruce |
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10-28-2006, 07:38
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Bruce,
Good point, and the concern I have that started this thread. It's great that tests show you can run ULSD in a new engine for 100K+ miles without ill effects, but what about my already 100K 3208NA that grew up on good old higher sulphur #2. I don't doubt that the refiners will add packages to their fuel to help us out, but what they add has to still pass muster with the EPA when testing time rolls around. So they are limited...to a degree. In our area, "thinning" winter fuel (ULSD #2) has to be done with ULSD #1 (kerosene or jet fuel) or it will kick the sulpher content out of range and get distributors in trouble. So there are "eyes" that are watching this deal. From what I am being told, ULSD is the only product available in Colorado, so remember that when filling up here. The ability to add over the counter addatives in our own tanks seems to bypass any testing procedure (except for the "red" issue"). In my book, sending a few bucks for a high end addative that not only adds lubricity, but also has a package that increases cetane, reduced ash, helps keep injectors clean is a far better move than saving a few busks, just adding ATF, and hoping it does the same thing. We are talking about high end rigs, this is no time to pinch pennies. On another note, being a "Newbie", this has ben a great exchange of ideas. Alot more info and input has passed back and forth than I had expected. Seems like a great group and makes me even more sure of my decision to buy a Bluebird. Doug Engel, Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" > > Bruce: These retrofitted vehicles were probably all recent models. I > doubt anything as antique as a 3208. The seals they are using in thir > pumps are not the same as in our old babies. Any experience thay had do > not relate to BB owners. > > Bruce > |
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