HWH Pump Removal

[Stephen H]

Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on easy removal of the
pump/reservoir assy? It seems to be held on by a bracket between the
motor and the reservoir sections, bolted to the outside step well.

I believe I burned up the motor by a faulty solenoid that is stuck in
the 'on' position. Motor looks to be a starter motor? Is this motor
avail at a parts store? Wanting to get the assy removed tomorrow
(Sunday) I cannot gain easy access behind the carpet on the step inside
to see if there are bolts behind there to remove the pump. Seems like
it would have to be? Wanted to ask before tearing out new carpet..!!
Thank you
Stephen H
81 FC-33SB
Plant City, FL
Enjoying cool weather FINALLY!

[ronmarabito2002]

Motor is attached to the reservoir pump via a spline. It just slides
in. This motor is well built. Take it to any generator/starter shop
and they can easily repair it. Probably only brushes or broken wire.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H" <share@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on easy removal of the
> pump/reservoir assy? It seems to be held on by a bracket between the
> motor and the reservoir sections, bolted to the outside step well.
>
> I believe I burned up the motor by a faulty solenoid that is stuck in
> the 'on' position. Motor looks to be a starter motor? Is this motor
> avail at a parts store? Wanting to get the assy removed tomorrow
> (Sunday) I cannot gain easy access behind the carpet on the step inside
> to see if there are bolts behind there to remove the pump. Seems like
> it would have to be? Wanted to ask before tearing out new carpet..!!
> Thank you
> Stephen H
> 81 FC-33SB
> Plant City, FL
> Enjoying cool weather FINALLY!
>

[Lucas Willemse]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Motor is attached to the reservoir pump via a spline. It just
slides
> in. This motor is well built. Take it to any generator/starter
shop
> and they can easily repair it. Probably only brushes or broken
wire.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H" <share@>
wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on easy removal of the
> > pump/reservoir assy? It seems to be held on by a bracket between
the
> > motor and the reservoir sections, bolted to the outside step
well.
> >
> > I believe I burned up the motor by a faulty solenoid that is
stuck in
> > the 'on' position. Motor looks to be a starter motor? Is this
motor
> > avail at a parts store? Wanting to get the assy removed tomorrow
> > (Sunday) I cannot gain easy access behind the carpet on the step
inside
> > to see if there are bolts behind there to remove the pump. Seems
like
> > it would have to be? Wanted to ask before tearing out new
carpet..!!
> > Thank you
> > Stephen H
> > 81 FC-33SB
> > Plant City, FL
> > Enjoying cool weather FINALLY!
> >
>

The reason this motor burns up is that there is no overload
protection for it. I had to have mine rebuild twice before I added a
150 Amp circuit breaker in line with the battery lead going to the
relay. The reason for the overload can be the fact that unless you
push the activating handle all the way over, the motor will run but
the fluid is not directed to the leveler cylinder and this stalls
and overloads the motor. Since I added the breaker it has tripped
but no more problems with the motor. I used a Blue Sea Systems 185
Series panel mount circuit breaker 150 amp, their part # 7004. I
mounted it under the lift up step that allows access to the fill
port on the pump. These breakers are available from West Marine.

Lucas Willemse
1980 FC 35
Los Angeles

[one_dusty_hoot]

Lucas, seems to me you have found a way to save
the motor by limiting current via the breaker but
the cause still remains tripping your breakers.

If the pump works before oil can go to the
cylinder could the switch that turns the pump
on be out of adjustment turning the pump on
too soon?

If not, another way would be a pressure release
bypass valve. Once the pressure reached a point
near where damage could be done to the motor a
spring-loaded valve diverts fluid to the supply
tank.
Bob Janes, Greenville, SC







--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Lucas Willemse"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Motor is attached to the reservoir pump via a spline. It just
> slides
> > in. This motor is well built. Take it to any generator/starter
> shop
> > and they can easily repair it. Probably only brushes or broken
> wire.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H" <share@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on easy removal of the
> > > pump/reservoir assy? It seems to be held on by a bracket
between
> the
> > > motor and the reservoir sections, bolted to the outside step
> well.
> > >
> > > I believe I burned up the motor by a faulty solenoid that is
> stuck in
> > > the 'on' position. Motor looks to be a starter motor? Is this
> motor
> > > avail at a parts store? Wanting to get the assy removed
tomorrow
> > > (Sunday) I cannot gain easy access behind the carpet on the
step
> inside
> > > to see if there are bolts behind there to remove the pump.
Seems
> like
> > > it would have to be? Wanted to ask before tearing out new
> carpet..!!
> > > Thank you
> > > Stephen H
> > > 81 FC-33SB
> > > Plant City, FL
> > > Enjoying cool weather FINALLY!
> > >
> >
>
> The reason this motor burns up is that there is no overload
> protection for it. I had to have mine rebuild twice before I added
a
> 150 Amp circuit breaker in line with the battery lead going to the
> relay. The reason for the overload can be the fact that unless you
> push the activating handle all the way over, the motor will run but
> the fluid is not directed to the leveler cylinder and this stalls
> and overloads the motor. Since I added the breaker it has tripped
> but no more problems with the motor. I used a Blue Sea Systems 185
> Series panel mount circuit breaker 150 amp, their part # 7004. I
> mounted it under the lift up step that allows access to the fill
> port on the pump. These breakers are available from West Marine.
>
> Lucas Willemse
> 1980 FC 35
> Los Angeles
>

[Stephen H]

Thanks to all who helped with my motor. I got it down today, not too bad-
just very dirty!~! One tip, wear safety glasses!! LOL I will bring the motor
to a local shop for rebuild. I will be looking into purchasing that 150A
Breaker at west marine! I don't want to go through this again!!



Stephen H

81 FC-33SB

Plant City, FL





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From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of one_dusty_hoot
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:08 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: HWH Pump Removal



Lucas, seems to me you have found a way to save
the motor by limiting current via the breaker but
the cause still remains tripping your breakers.

If the pump works before oil can go to the
cylinder could the switch that turns the pump
on be out of adjustment turning the pump on
too soon?

If not, another way would be a pressure release
bypass valve. Once the pressure reached a point
near where damage could be done to the motor a
spring-loaded valve diverts fluid to the supply
tank.
Bob Janes, Greenville, SC





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[Dan Darst]

Yes there are two bolts holding the pump and reservoir to the back of the
step. The nuts are sandwiched between to layers of wood behind the carpet.
If the motor is bad, you do not need to mess with the pump and reservoir
hardware. Just remove the two bolts on the end of the motor and the one wire
coming from the solenoid. I did this many times, got it down to 8 minutes.
Turned out to be a bad ground, motor was fine.

dandarst86fc35rbhuntleyil.

>From: "Stephen H" <share@...>
>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] HWH Pump Removal
>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:18:06 -0000
>
>Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on easy removal of the
>pump/reservoir assy? It seems to be held on by a bracket between the
>motor and the reservoir sections, bolted to the outside step well.
>
>I believe I burned up the motor by a faulty solenoid that is stuck in
>the 'on' position. Motor looks to be a starter motor? Is this motor
>avail at a parts store? Wanting to get the assy removed tomorrow
>(Sunday) I cannot gain easy access behind the carpet on the step inside
>to see if there are bolts behind there to remove the pump. Seems like
>it would have to be? Wanted to ask before tearing out new carpet..!!
>Thank you
>Stephen H
>81 FC-33SB
>Plant City, FL
>Enjoying cool weather FINALLY!
>
>
>

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[Gregory OConnor]

Bob, those high press bypass valves fail open often. then you have
bypass all the time and reduced function. I remove them on hydrostat
tractors and use a pressure switch to an alarm. You could use a high
press relay shut down also. The HWH on my 94 has a simple two button
set and stow. I wonder if you could upgrade the electronics as the
appliances are the same. electric/hydrolic pump , hydrolic lines and
single acting cylinders??? Curt said HWH is a helpfull crowd. The
newer electronics (new 12 years ago)may have a high pressure fault
shutdown.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Lucas, seems to me you have found a way to save
> the motor by limiting current via the breaker but
> the cause still remains tripping your breakers.
>
> If the pump works before oil can go to the
> cylinder could the switch that turns the pump
> on be out of adjustment turning the pump on
> too soon?
>
> If not, another way would be a pressure release
> bypass valve. Once the pressure reached a point
> near where damage could be done to the motor a
> spring-loaded valve diverts fluid to the supply
> tank.
> Bob Janes, Greenville, SC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Lucas Willemse"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Motor is attached to the reservoir pump via a spline. It just
> > slides
> > > in. This motor is well built. Take it to any
generator/starter
> > shop
> > > and they can easily repair it. Probably only brushes or broken
> > wire.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H" <share@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on easy removal of the
> > > > pump/reservoir assy? It seems to be held on by a bracket
> between
> > the
> > > > motor and the reservoir sections, bolted to the outside step
> > well.
> > > >
> > > > I believe I burned up the motor by a faulty solenoid that is
> > stuck in
> > > > the 'on' position. Motor looks to be a starter motor? Is this
> > motor
> > > > avail at a parts store? Wanting to get the assy removed
> tomorrow
> > > > (Sunday) I cannot gain easy access behind the carpet on the
> step
> > inside
> > > > to see if there are bolts behind there to remove the pump.
> Seems
> > like
> > > > it would have to be? Wanted to ask before tearing out new
> > carpet..!!
> > > > Thank you
> > > > Stephen H
> > > > 81 FC-33SB
> > > > Plant City, FL
> > > > Enjoying cool weather FINALLY!
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > The reason this motor burns up is that there is no overload
> > protection for it. I had to have mine rebuild twice before I
added
> a
> > 150 Amp circuit breaker in line with the battery lead going to
the
> > relay. The reason for the overload can be the fact that unless
you
> > push the activating handle all the way over, the motor will run
but
> > the fluid is not directed to the leveler cylinder and this stalls
> > and overloads the motor. Since I added the breaker it has tripped
> > but no more problems with the motor. I used a Blue Sea Systems
185
> > Series panel mount circuit breaker 150 amp, their part # 7004. I
> > mounted it under the lift up step that allows access to the fill
> > port on the pump. These breakers are available from West Marine.
> >
> > Lucas Willemse
> > 1980 FC 35
> > Los Angeles
> >
>