tires

[williamcharrison]

Hi all,
I am writing from (and wilting in) Malaysia where I will work
for the next several days. It helps pass the time to daydream about
my bird. Question is, in Akron/Cleveland Ohio or Erie/Meadville Pa.
area does anyone know of a tire outlet where 12R22.5 Michelin's can
be purchased for less than $2000 for a set of 4?

[Tom Warner]

What year and model do you have?

Tom
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY
In the beautiful Mohawk Valley

At 04:04 AM 4/23/2005 +0000, you wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am writing from (and wilting in) Malaysia where I will work
>for the next several days. It helps pass the time to daydream about
>my bird. Question is, in Akron/Cleveland Ohio or Erie/Meadville Pa.
>area does anyone know of a tire outlet where 12R22.5 Michelin's can
>be purchased for less than $2000 for a set of 4?
>
>

[Dan Weaver]

Price will depend on whether you need 14 ply or 16 ply tires (load
range G or H). For example, a FC33 can do 14 plys, a FC35 would be
better with 16 plys. For 4 tires, are you talking drive axle only,
and not steer tires?

Dan
94 BMC 37', previously 83 FC35.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am writing from (and wilting in) Malaysia where I will work
> for the next several days. It helps pass the time to daydream about
> my bird. Question is, in Akron/Cleveland Ohio or Erie/Meadville Pa.
> area does anyone know of a tire outlet where 12R22.5 Michelin's can
> be purchased for less than $2000 for a set of 4?

[Jon]

What goes wrong with these tires after say 7 or 8 years? My back four
tires look like brand new from the outside, no cracking or UV damage?
Does the rubber just brake down after so long? and who promotes that
you should change tires? I know most of the rigs on this site might
run about say 3,000 miles or more a year and over a long period might
just go 20,000 to 25,000 in say seven years. I was told most of these
tires are good for 150,000 miles with good maintance. Any answers. Or
maybe I will just contact one of the big tire manufactures and find out
the reason for my question. Thank and have a great day!!!!

Jon Lechich
1978 Wanderlodge
Rebel bird
Bremerton Washington

[Jack & Donna Smith]

You can see the outside OK, but it's inside that breaks down. Steel
cords rust, and the plies start to seperate. I think car tires do the
same, but they dont carry '16 tons' and are inflated to 100psi. Yes
the older tires will work, but your chance of failure is much greater.
And a blowout on our coaches can result in a strip of rubber beating
the he** out of some expensive surrounding stuff!!
Jack Smith
1973FC31


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" wrote:
>
> What goes wrong with these tires after say 7 or 8 years? My back four
> tires look like brand new from the outside, no cracking or UV damage?
> Does the rubber just brake down after so long? and who promotes that
> you should change tires? I know most of the rigs on this site might
> run about say 3,000 miles or more a year and over a long period might
> just go 20,000 to 25,000 in say seven years. I was told most of these
> tires are good for 150,000 miles with good maintance. Any answers. Or
> maybe I will just contact one of the big tire manufactures and find out
> the reason for my question. Thank and have a great day!!!!
>
> Jon Lechich
> 1978 Wanderlodge
> Rebel bird
> Bremerton Washington

[Jon]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
wrote:
>
> You can see the outside OK, but it's inside that breaks down. Steel
> cords rust, and the plies start to seperate. I think car tires do
the
> same, but they dont carry '16 tons' and are inflated to 100psi.
Yes
> the older tires will work, but your chance of failure is much
greater.
> And a blowout on our coaches can result in a strip of rubber
beating
> the he** out of some expensive surrounding stuff!!
> Jack Smith
> 1973FC31
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" wrote:
> >
> > What goes wrong with these tires after say 7 or 8 years? My back
four
> > tires look like brand new from the outside, no cracking or UV
damage?
> > Does the rubber just brake down after so long? and who promotes
that
> > you should change tires? I know most of the rigs on this site
might
> > run about say 3,000 miles or more a year and over a long period
might
> > just go 20,000 to 25,000 in say seven years. I was told most of
these
> > tires are good for 150,000 miles with good maintance. Any
answers. Or
> > maybe I will just contact one of the big tire manufactures and
find out
> > the reason for my question. Thank and have a great day!!!!
> >
> > Jon Lechich
> > 1978 Wanderlodge
> > Rebel bird
> > Bremerton Washington



Boy what to do? I guess your right? owell resale will look good.
Probably will get a set put on down in Oregon at that Camper World .
Got to give them another call and make sure they have them at there
store in Portland. Thanks for the extra push! Jon

Jon Lechich
1978 Wanderlodge

[Bryan Altier]

The life of a tire is 5 years. The RMA (Rubber Manf. Assoc.) states that any
tire over 5 years old is not safe to use or install on ANY vehicle. From a tire
dealers standpoint we will not install a tire if the date is over 5 years.

One way to save some money is when your tires are 2 to 2 1/2 years old get some
new ones and sell the good old tires to a trucker that can get the miles out of
them all still within the 5 year time period.

Bryan Altier
88WB40 "Xanadu"
Greenville, SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Tires



What goes wrong with these tires after say 7 or 8 years? My back four
tires look like brand new from the outside, no cracking or UV damage?
Does the rubber just brake down after so long? and who promotes that
you should change tires? I know most of the rigs on this site might
run about say 3,000 miles or more a year and over a long period might
just go 20,000 to 25,000 in say seven years. I was told most of these
tires are good for 150,000 miles with good maintance. Any answers. Or
maybe I will just contact one of the big tire manufactures and find out
the reason for my question. Thank and have a great day!!!!

Jon Lechich
1978 Wanderlodge
Rebel bird
Bremerton Washington






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[George Lowry]

Sorry - this got bounced earlier - Seems like Spamcop does not like
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George


Hi Jon,

From the information I have received from tire reps is that the tires
start to deteriorate from the time they are manufactured, much like
our bodies. Even sitting on the shelf, they are "wearing out".
Depending upon the manufacturer, tire life runs between 5 and 7 years.
Generally, Michelin, Goodyear, Firestone, tend toward the lower
recommendation while Toyo, and some other tend toward the higher
number. Most recappers will not accept a carcass for recap that is
over five years old.

With RV's, tires seldom wear out the tread but rather they rot out. If
you were a trucker putting 75 - 100,000 miles on a tire a year, you
would probably have the tires recapped at least three times during
their lifetime.

Something else I learned: Back when we were traveling in our GM
Converted Coach, we happened upon this charter outfit that ran GM
coaches. Their service manager told me that the best tire they had
found was a Bridgestone model (I forget the number). Next time we
needed steer tires, I insisted on this model Bridgestone. A while
later, I noticed a peculiar wear pattern and took it back to GCR tire.
The manager checked it out thoroughly and did some research. He
found out that particular model tire was designed for a MINIMUM of
60,000 miles per year. I was only averaging 15,000. I was not putting
enough wear for the rubber in that tire, He replaced them with
another tire which was designed more for my usage. Prior to this, I
never knew that you could put too few miles on a tire.

One of the biggest factors is tire pressure. The ONLY way you can have
the correct pressure is to weigh the coach, at least axle by axle and
better by each wheel, and then consult the inflation charts and use
the pressure recommended by the tire manufacturer. Something else that
I learned from both the Michelin and Bridgestone Factory reps is that
it is just as bad to have a tire over inflated as it is to have one
that is under inflated. Weigh the coach, find the correct pressures
and check them often.

What I have heard of some folks doing is trading their tires in at
approximately the 3 years point. The tire still has enough life left
in it so the dealer can sell it to a trucker or a farmer for trailer
use. Meanwhile the RVer has new rubber essentially all the time.

When we were on the way to Redmond last summer we had a '98 tag axle
tire blow. It was a Michelin and all the others were the same
manufacture date. Dealing with Les Schwab in OR, they took the rest of
the Michelins in trade and installed eight Toyos, all balanced with
Equal. The way we looked at it, when that tire blew, it caused some
damage. Most I was able to repair except for the cosmetic damage to
the paint, etc. I estimate that to have that damage repaired in a
regular shop would have cost $500 - 1,000. If the tire had been in
another place, it well may have caused $2500 or more in damage. Since
the new tires only cost around $2700 installed, we figured that it was
money well spent. Safety was well worth it. BTW, we had planned to
replace the tires anyway, the blowout just hastened it.

I am sort of a devout coward. Two of the most important components on
any vehicle, IMHO, are the tires and the brakes. Steering is right up
there with them, but does not have the wear factor that tires and
brakes have. I figure the price of maintaining these items is worth
the lives of my wife and myself.

George Lowry
'95 WBDA 4203 & GM 4106 (for sale)
Spearfish, SD

Jon wrote:

>
> What goes wrong with these tires after say 7 or 8 years? My back
four tires look like brand new from the outside, no cracking or UV
damage? Does the rubber just brake down after so long? and who
promotes that you should change tires? I know most of the rigs on
this site might run about say 3,000 miles or more a year and over a
long period might just go 20,000 to 25,000 in say seven years. I was
told most of these tires are good for 150,000 miles with good
maintance. Any answers. Or maybe I will just contact one of the big
tire manufactures and find out the reason for my question. Thank and
have a great day!!!!
>
> Jon Lechich
> 1978 Wanderlodge
> Rebel bird
> Bremerton Washington
>
>
>

[jon lechich]

Thanks George after what I found out about my friend boy the tires are going to
Number one priority. Seems like those good looking 22.5 tires are just a fasade
on my choach and its time to move them oft. Again thanks for all the
information-Jon
Jon
Rebel Bird
Bremerton Washington

George Lowry wrote:
Sorry - this got bounced earlier - Seems like Spamcop does not like
the new forum for some reason as they are the only messages getting
bounced.

George


Hi Jon,

From the information I have received from tire reps is that the tires
start to deteriorate from the time they are manufactured, much like
our bodies. Even sitting on the shelf, they are "wearing out".
Depending upon the manufacturer, tire life runs between 5 and 7 years.
Generally, Michelin, Goodyear, Firestone, tend toward the lower
recommendation while Toyo, and some other tend toward the higher
number. Most recappers will not accept a carcass for recap that is
over five years old.

With RV's, tires seldom wear out the tread but rather they rot out. If
you were a trucker putting 75 - 100,000 miles on a tire a year, you
would probably have the tires recapped at least three times during
their lifetime.

Something else I learned: Back when we were traveling in our GM
Converted Coach, we happened upon this charter outfit that ran GM
coaches. Their service manager told me that the best tire they had
found was a Bridgestone model (I forget the number). Next time we
needed steer tires, I insisted on this model Bridgestone. A while
later, I noticed a peculiar wear pattern and took it back to GCR tire.
The manager checked it out thoroughly and did some research. He
found out that particular model tire was designed for a MINIMUM of
60,000 miles per year. I was only averaging 15,000. I was not putting
enough wear for the rubber in that tire, He replaced them with
another tire which was designed more for my usage. Prior to this, I
never knew that you could put too few miles on a tire.

One of the biggest factors is tire pressure. The ONLY way you can have
the correct pressure is to weigh the coach, at least axle by axle and
better by each wheel, and then consult the inflation charts and use
the pressure recommended by the tire manufacturer. Something else that
I learned from both the Michelin and Bridgestone Factory reps is that
it is just as bad to have a tire over inflated as it is to have one
that is under inflated. Weigh the coach, find the correct pressures
and check them often.

What I have heard of some folks doing is trading their tires in at
approximately the 3 years point. The tire still has enough life left
in it so the dealer can sell it to a trucker or a farmer for trailer
use. Meanwhile the RVer has new rubber essentially all the time.

When we were on the way to Redmond last summer we had a '98 tag axle
tire blow. It was a Michelin and all the others were the same
manufacture date. Dealing with Les Schwab in OR, they took the rest of
the Michelins in trade and installed eight Toyos, all balanced with
Equal. The way we looked at it, when that tire blew, it caused some
damage. Most I was able to repair except for the cosmetic damage to
the paint, etc. I estimate that to have that damage repaired in a
regular shop would have cost $500 - 1,000. If the tire had been in
another place, it well may have caused $2500 or more in damage. Since
the new tires only cost around $2700 installed, we figured that it was
money well spent. Safety was well worth it. BTW, we had planned to
replace the tires anyway, the blowout just hastened it.

I am sort of a devout coward. Two of the most important components on
any vehicle, IMHO, are the tires and the brakes. Steering is right up
there with them, but does not have the wear factor that tires and
brakes have. I figure the price of maintaining these items is worth
the lives of my wife and myself.

George Lowry
'95 WBDA 4203 & GM 4106 (for sale)
Spearfish, SD

Jon wrote:

>
> What goes wrong with these tires after say 7 or 8 years? My back
four tires look like brand new from the outside, no cracking or UV
damage? Does the rubber just brake down after so long? and who
promotes that you should change tires? I know most of the rigs on
this site might run about say 3,000 miles or more a year and over a
long period might just go 20,000 to 25,000 in say seven years. I was
told most of these tires are good for 150,000 miles with good
maintance. Any answers. Or maybe I will just contact one of the big
tire manufactures and find out the reason for my question. Thank and
have a great day!!!!
>
> Jon Lechich
> 1978 Wanderlodge
> Rebel bird
> Bremerton Washington
>
>
>



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[Tim and Mary Ann SPREADBOROUGH]

One more on tires. It's important not only to read the DOT labels on tires,
consider this: Tires produced are shipped to a warehouse where they sit for 6
months. Imagine outside temperatures exceeding 100+ degrees. Unless warehouse
is air conditioned, tires will cook. From a personal experience, had a set of 6
tires that were stored before sale in the above described circumstances.
Nevertheless, all 6 failed. Once the investigation determined why the failure
occurred, I now always not only check the DOT but determine what type of storage
the tires were subjected to. Tim
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From: George Lowry
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Tires


Sorry - this got bounced earlier - Seems like Spamcop does not like
the new forum for some reason as they are the only messages getting
bounced.

George


Hi Jon,

From the information I have received from tire reps is that the tires
start to deteriorate from the time they are manufactured, much like
our bodies. Even sitting on the shelf, they are "wearing out".
Depending upon the manufacturer, tire life runs between 5 and 7 years.
Generally, Michelin, Goodyear, Firestone, tend toward the lower
recommendation while Toyo, and some other tend toward the higher
number. Most recappers will not accept a carcass for recap that is
over five years old.

With RV's, tires seldom wear out the tread but rather they rot out. If
you were a trucker putting 75 - 100,000 miles on a tire a year, you
would probably have the tires recapped at least three times during
their lifetime.

Something else I learned: Back when we were traveling in our GM
Converted Coach, we happened upon this charter outfit that ran GM
coaches. Their service manager told me that the best tire they had
found was a Bridgestone model (I forget the number). Next time we
needed steer tires, I insisted on this model Bridgestone. A while
later, I noticed a peculiar wear pattern and took it back to GCR tire.
The manager checked it out thoroughly and did some research. He
found out that particular model tire was designed for a MINIMUM of
60,000 miles per year. I was only averaging 15,000. I was not putting
enough wear for the rubber in that tire, He replaced them with
another tire which was designed more for my usage. Prior to this, I
never knew that you could put too few miles on a tire.

One of the biggest factors is tire pressure. The ONLY way you can have
the correct pressure is to weigh the coach, at least axle by axle and
better by each wheel, and then consult the inflation charts and use
the pressure recommended by the tire manufacturer. Something else that
I learned from both the Michelin and Bridgestone Factory reps is that
it is just as bad to have a tire over inflated as it is to have one
that is under inflated. Weigh the coach, find the correct pressures
and check them often.

What I have heard of some folks doing is trading their tires in at
approximately the 3 years point. The tire still has enough life left
in it so the dealer can sell it to a trucker or a farmer for trailer
use. Meanwhile the RVer has new rubber essentially all the time.

When we were on the way to Redmond last summer we had a '98 tag axle
tire blow. It was a Michelin and all the others were the same
manufacture date. Dealing with Les Schwab in OR, they took the rest of
the Michelins in trade and installed eight Toyos, all balanced with
Equal. The way we looked at it, when that tire blew, it caused some
damage. Most I was able to repair except for the cosmetic damage to
the paint, etc. I estimate that to have that damage repaired in a
regular shop would have cost $500 - 1,000. If the tire had been in
another place, it well may have caused $2500 or more in damage. Since
the new tires only cost around $2700 installed, we figured that it was
money well spent. Safety was well worth it. BTW, we had planned to
replace the tires anyway, the blowout just hastened it.

I am sort of a devout coward. Two of the most important components on
any vehicle, IMHO, are the tires and the brakes. Steering is right up
there with them, but does not have the wear factor that tires and
brakes have. I figure the price of maintaining these items is worth
the lives of my wife and myself.

George Lowry
'95 WBDA 4203 & GM 4106 (for sale)
Spearfish, SD

Jon wrote:

>
> What goes wrong with these tires after say 7 or 8 years? My back
four tires look like brand new from the outside, no cracking or UV
damage? Does the rubber just brake down after so long? and who
promotes that you should change tires? I know most of the rigs on
this site might run about say 3,000 miles or more a year and over a
long period might just go 20,000 to 25,000 in say seven years. I was
told most of these tires are good for 150,000 miles with good
maintance. Any answers. Or maybe I will just contact one of the big
tire manufactures and find out the reason for my question. Thank and
have a great day!!!!
>
> Jon Lechich
> 1978 Wanderlodge
> Rebel bird
> Bremerton Washington
>
>
>



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