Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and Painting cabinets

[Leroy Eckert]

Yes, didn't see that!

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and Painting
cabinets


If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they are
comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
satisfied with brush painting the laminates.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@...> wrote:
>
> Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel or high
> end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I sign
the
> check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a spot
> in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
a "practicle"
> side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins 300/400)
> CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
>
> The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is all
the
> "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where near
> Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
coast...just
> the opposite was true.
>
> BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD and
4x4
> this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two labs...and
> liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we use it
> for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we are
> looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above class
As
> fit the bill...
>
> I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull the
> trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh carefully.
> PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > MH
>





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[Troy Tikalsky]

How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait you LOOKED at
some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!

The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all aspects.

Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to set you straight.
Lets have your list of the better qualities of the Blue Bird compared to the
Newell.

Troy Tikalsky
1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and Painting
cabinets


If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they are
comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
satisfied with brush painting the laminates.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@...> wrote:
>
> Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel or high
> end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I sign
the
> check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a spot
> in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
a "practicle"
> side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins 300/400)
> CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
>
> The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is all
the
> "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where near
> Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
coast...just
> the opposite was true.
>
> BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD and
4x4
> this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two labs...and
> liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we use it
> for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we are
> looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above class
As
> fit the bill...
>
> I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull the
> trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh carefully.
> PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > MH
>





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[Leroy Eckert]

Troy:

Time to take a Red an mellow out. I noticed you excluded Foretravel and Monaco,
because apparently they do not compare to Bluebird or Newell. It's like
comparing apples and oranges, right? That's what I'm think'n>

I personally like Newell but as a BB owner I have found factory support to be
more than adequate. I'll take that anyday. I cannot speak for Newell. How
bout you?

You speak in past tense. Do you currently own the 86 Newell?

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
I'll put my raggedy ass BB beside any model Newell, Prevost, Foretravel, Monaco
or any other Motorhome for that matter, anywhere anytime! For real, as the
young folks say. LOL (smile) Wanna compare? You can start with mine under
Leroy Eckert's 1990 Upgrades under photos in the forum.







----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Tikalsky
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and
Painting cabinets


How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait you LOOKED at
some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!

The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all aspects.

Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to set you straight.
Lets have your list of the better qualities of the Blue Bird compared to the
Newell.

Troy Tikalsky
1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and Painting
cabinets

If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they are
comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
satisfied with brush painting the laminates.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@...> wrote:
>
> Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel or high
> end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I sign
the
> check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a spot
> in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
a "practicle"
> side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins 300/400)
> CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
>
> The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is all
the
> "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where near
> Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
coast...just
> the opposite was true.
>
> BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD and
4x4
> this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two labs...and
> liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we use it
> for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we are
> looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above class
As
> fit the bill...
>
> I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull the
> trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh carefully.
> PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > MH
>

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[eujamfh]

I certainly did not mean to start a pi%%ing match on this...and I
completely agree - there is a difference in the coaches I listed,
with Monaco at the one end.

BB and Newell are fine coaches and the tops in my book - that said,
the one thing I like better about Newell is the simplicity in design -
which means simplicity in tracking down your problems. BBs are not
simple which means there are always problems. Will last forever, but
they are complex.

As for the CC and Foretravel - they are solid coaches. In the mid-90s
they are well built, solid and forgiving to work on. What I do not
like about them is they are fiberglass - I much prefer the Newell alum
sides or BB steel.

To be honest, the biggest draw against the Newell is that in my price
range, they are all DD two-strokes....which three years ago I would
not have thought twice about, but now, I am concerned about a rig that
I will not be able to sell in five to ten years with the price of fuel.

Unfortunately - being in the military, I have to look at ALL purchases
as, "what if I have to sell tomorrow" since I can be relocated and or
deployed at near any time.

Again - the info you all provide is good and thought proviking - and
that makes me a better buyer...and I thanks you for that.
CHeers,
Matt


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
wrote:
>
> How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait you
LOOKED at some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!
>
> The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all aspects.
>
> Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to set you
straight. Lets have your list of the better qualities of the Blue
Bird compared to the Newell.
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
> 1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory OConnor
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP
and Painting cabinets
>
>
> If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they are
> comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
> satisfied with brush painting the laminates.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@> wrote:
> >
> > Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel or high
> > end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I sign
> the
> > check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a spot
> > in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
> a "practicle"
> > side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins 300/400)
> > CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
> >
> > The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is all
> the
> > "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where near
> > Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
> coast...just
> > the opposite was true.
> >
> > BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD and
> 4x4
> > this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two labs...and
> > liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we use it
> > for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we are
> > looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above class
> As
> > fit the bill...
> >
> > I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Matt
> >
> > P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> > response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull the
> > trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> > <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh carefully.
> > PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > > MH
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Troy Tikalsky]

I excluded Foretravel and Monaco because I have not owned them and don't
consider touring a coach enough to make a fair judgment of quality or
craftsmanship. I have never seen a Foretravel and the Monacos that I have seen
'appear' to be stick and stable design.

I can say the Newell support is as good as Blue Bird. With the move of Benny I
would say Newell support may be better now.

Yes, I still own the Newell. All are welcome to see my coach anytime, there is
always cold beer in the fridge.

I believe the sales add is still viewable from when I purchased the coach
http://www.busforsale.com/sadie/index.htm


Troy Tikalsky
Waconia, MN


----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and
Painting cabinets



Troy:

Time to take a Red an mellow out. I noticed you excluded Foretravel and
Monaco, because apparently they do not compare to Bluebird or Newell. It's like
comparing apples and oranges, right? That's what I'm think'n>

I personally like Newell but as a BB owner I have found factory support to be
more than adequate. I'll take that anyday. I cannot speak for Newell. How bout
you?

You speak in past tense. Do you currently own the 86 Newell?

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
I'll put my raggedy ass BB beside any model Newell, Prevost, Foretravel,
Monaco or any other Motorhome for that matter, anywhere anytime! For real, as
the young folks say. LOL (smile) Wanna compare? You can start with mine under
Leroy Eckert's 1990 Upgrades under photos in the forum.

----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Tikalsky
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and
Painting cabinets

How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait you LOOKED at
some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!

The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all aspects.

Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to set you straight.
Lets have your list of the better qualities of the Blue Bird compared to the
Newell.

Troy Tikalsky
1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and Painting
cabinets

If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they are
comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
satisfied with brush painting the laminates.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@...> wrote:
>
> Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel or high
> end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I sign
the
> check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a spot
> in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
a "practicle"
> side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins 300/400)
> CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
>
> The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is all
the
> "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where near
> Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
coast...just
> the opposite was true.
>
> BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD and
4x4
> this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two labs...and
> liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we use it
> for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we are
> looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above class
As
> fit the bill...
>
> I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull the
> trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> >
> > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh carefully.
> PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > MH
>

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[Gregory OConnor]

Troy, when you are sitting in the home bleachers with a winnning team
you dont have to brag about your players. If you cant see the
difference it doesnt matter.

GregoryO'Connor
self proclaimed expert
94ptRomoland Ca

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
wrote:
>
> How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait
you LOOKED at some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!
>
> The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all
aspects.
>
> Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to set
you straight. Lets have your list of the better qualities of the
Blue Bird compared to the Newell.
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
> 1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory OConnor
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP
and Painting cabinets
>
>
> If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they are
> comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
> satisfied with brush painting the laminates.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@> wrote:
> >
> > Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel or
high
> > end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I
sign
> the
> > check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a
spot
> > in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
> a "practicle"
> > side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins
300/400)
> > CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
> >
> > The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is
all
> the
> > "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where near
> > Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
> coast...just
> > the opposite was true.
> >
> > BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD
and
> 4x4
> > this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two labs...and
> > liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we
use it
> > for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we
are
> > looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above
class
> As
> > fit the bill...
> >
> > I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Matt
> >
> > P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> > response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull the
> > trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> > <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh
carefully.
> > PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > > MH
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Troy Tikalsky]

Yes Greg I see the difference, but when you can't explain why your team is
better you don't really understand the game, your just following a crowd.

Our coaches are similar, lets begin the game. Start a new thread and make your
play.

Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell
Waconia, MN


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:38 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and Painting
cabinets


Troy, when you are sitting in the home bleachers with a winnning team
you dont have to brag about your players. If you cant see the
difference it doesnt matter.

GregoryO'Connor
self proclaimed expert
94ptRomoland Ca

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
wrote:
>
> How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait
you LOOKED at some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!
>
> The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all
aspects.
>
> Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to set
you straight. Lets have your list of the better qualities of the
Blue Bird compared to the Newell.
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
> 1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory OConnor
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP
and Painting cabinets
>
>
> If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they are
> comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
> satisfied with brush painting the laminates.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@> wrote:
> >
> > Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel or
high
> > end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I
sign
> the
> > check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a
spot
> > in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
> a "practicle"
> > side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins
300/400)
> > CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
> >
> > The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is
all
> the
> > "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where near
> > Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
> coast...just
> > the opposite was true.
> >
> > BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD
and
> 4x4
> > this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two labs...and
> > liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we
use it
> > for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we
are
> > looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above
class
> As
> > fit the bill...
> >
> > I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Matt
> >
> > P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> > response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull the
> > trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> > <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh
carefully.
> > PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > > MH
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gregory OConnor]

Troy,
Matt sounds like a nice person with a great young family and I think
he got good advice on the thread. I also learned that there is some
methods to repaint laminates and wise advice to just live with the
coach for some time before you change a thing.

Your issues with your purchase dissonance stand as tribute to the
superiority of the Bluebird product. My team analogy may hint to the
pride of brand loyalty and a bias in evaluating brands for Matt. If
you are going to Quartszite we can find a tree and determine a
winner. BUT I think a brand challenge thread would end up on
Wonderlodge_all and we would be reduced to angered RV'ers with the
same obsolete Detroit engines.

If it helps I saw the pics of your bus and it is very nice. Aluminum
is bringing good money nowadays.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa


WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
wrote:
>
> Yes Greg I see the difference, but when you can't explain why your
team is better you don't really understand the game, your just
following a crowd.
>
> Our coaches are similar, lets begin the game. Start a new thread
and make your play.
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1986 Newell
> Waconia, MN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory OConnor
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:38 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP
and Painting cabinets
>
>
> Troy, when you are sitting in the home bleachers with a winnning
team
> you dont have to brag about your players. If you cant see the
> difference it doesnt matter.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> self proclaimed expert
> 94ptRomoland Ca
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
> wrote:
> >
> > How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait
> you LOOKED at some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!
> >
> > The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all
> aspects.
> >
> > Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to
set
> you straight. Lets have your list of the better qualities of the
> Blue Bird compared to the Newell.
> >
> > Troy Tikalsky
> > 1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
> > 1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gregory OConnor
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89,
36SP
> and Painting cabinets
> >
> >
> > If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they
are
> > comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
> > satisfied with brush painting the laminates.
> >
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel
or
> high
> > > end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I
> sign
> > the
> > > check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a
> spot
> > > in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
> > a "practicle"
> > > side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins
> 300/400)
> > > CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
> > >
> > > The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is
> all
> > the
> > > "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where
near
> > > Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
> > coast...just
> > > the opposite was true.
> > >
> > > BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD
> and
> > 4x4
> > > this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two
labs...and
> > > liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we
> use it
> > > for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we
> are
> > > looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above
> class
> > As
> > > fit the bill...
> > >
> > > I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> > > response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull
the
> > > trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> > > <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh
> carefully.
> > > PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > > > MH
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Troy Tikalsky]

Greg,
The advice Matt received is based on experience and that is what makes it
useful. I am surprised that no one suggested recovering the laminate with
another layer of laminate. This does work and gives excellent results.

I agree that living with the coach for a least 1 year is beneficial. During the
first year I owned the FC33 I realized more space was needed along with
different sleeping arrangements for the family and that I desired a pusher with
more power. The time and investment of making these changes to the Blue Bird
were the catalyst that prompted the move to the Newell.

You misinterpret my desire of fact based discussions for dissonance. The fact is
I am very happy with the Newell and am willing to provide the reasons, compared
to any RV. If you think you have the market for Brand loyalty then you are
naive.

The willingness of members to share their experiences is what makes this forum
successful. There is a very nice forum for Newell owners at
http://www.newellclassic.com/ that I am a member. This site is similar to the
WOO site that I am also a member. The truth is that the Wanderlodge forums have
a handful of members that offer help and share experience frequently and the
Newell forum is not at this level yet. I am happy to learn what is good and not
good, but I do require more than blind faith.


Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell WB40
Waconia, MN


----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP and Painting
cabinets


Troy,
Matt sounds like a nice person with a great young family and I think
he got good advice on the thread. I also learned that there is some
methods to repaint laminates and wise advice to just live with the
coach for some time before you change a thing.

Your issues with your purchase dissonance stand as tribute to the
superiority of the Bluebird product. My team analogy may hint to the
pride of brand loyalty and a bias in evaluating brands for Matt. If
you are going to Quartszite we can find a tree and determine a
winner. BUT I think a brand challenge thread would end up on
Wonderlodge_all and we would be reduced to angered RV'ers with the
same obsolete Detroit engines.

If it helps I saw the pics of your bus and it is very nice. Aluminum
is bringing good money nowadays.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
wrote:
>
> Yes Greg I see the difference, but when you can't explain why your
team is better you don't really understand the game, your just
following a crowd.
>
> Our coaches are similar, lets begin the game. Start a new thread
and make your play.
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1986 Newell
> Waconia, MN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory OConnor
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:38 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP
and Painting cabinets
>
>
> Troy, when you are sitting in the home bleachers with a winnning
team
> you dont have to brag about your players. If you cant see the
> difference it doesnt matter.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> self proclaimed expert
> 94ptRomoland Ca
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
> wrote:
> >
> > How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh wait
> you LOOKED at some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!
> >
> > The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in all
> aspects.
> >
> > Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to
set
> you straight. Lets have your list of the better qualities of the
> Blue Bird compared to the Newell.
> >
> > Troy Tikalsky
> > 1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
> > 1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gregory OConnor
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89,
36SP
> and Painting cabinets
> >
> >
> > If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they
are
> > comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
> > satisfied with brush painting the laminates.
> >
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel
or
> high
> > > end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before I
> sign
> > the
> > > check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have a
> spot
> > > in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
> > a "practicle"
> > > side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins
> 300/400)
> > > CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
> > >
> > > The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair) is
> all
> > the
> > > "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where
near
> > > Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
> > coast...just
> > > the opposite was true.
> > >
> > > BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the PSD
> and
> > 4x4
> > > this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two
labs...and
> > > liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact we
> use it
> > > for traveling to see relatives in New York and Minnisota...we
> are
> > > looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the above
> class
> > As
> > > fit the bill...
> > >
> > > I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> > > response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to pull
the
> > > trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> > > <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh
> carefully.
> > > PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > > > MH
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gregory OConnor]

Troy, good you found the site. I was gonna tell you were to go but
did'nt want you to misinterpret.
GregoryO'Connor
blind faith
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
wrote:
>
> Greg,
> The advice Matt received is based on experience and that is what
makes it useful. I am surprised that no one suggested recovering the
laminate with another layer of laminate. This does work and gives
excellent results.
>
> I agree that living with the coach for a least 1 year is
beneficial. During the first year I owned the FC33 I realized more
space was needed along with different sleeping arrangements for the
family and that I desired a pusher with more power. The time and
investment of making these changes to the Blue Bird were the catalyst
that prompted the move to the Newell.
>
> You misinterpret my desire of fact based discussions for
dissonance. The fact is I am very happy with the Newell and am
willing to provide the reasons, compared to any RV. If you think you
have the market for Brand loyalty then you are naive.
>
> The willingness of members to share their experiences is what makes
this forum successful. There is a very nice forum for Newell owners
at http://www.newellclassic.com/ that I am a member. This site is
similar to the WOO site that I am also a member. The truth is that
the Wanderlodge forums have a handful of members that offer help and
share experience frequently and the Newell forum is not at this level
yet. I am happy to learn what is good and not good, but I do require
more than blind faith.
>
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1986 Newell WB40
> Waconia, MN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory OConnor
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:01 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89, 36SP
and Painting cabinets
>
>
> Troy,
> Matt sounds like a nice person with a great young family and I
think
> he got good advice on the thread. I also learned that there is
some
> methods to repaint laminates and wise advice to just live with
the
> coach for some time before you change a thing.
>
> Your issues with your purchase dissonance stand as tribute to the
> superiority of the Bluebird product. My team analogy may hint to
the
> pride of brand loyalty and a bias in evaluating brands for Matt.
If
> you are going to Quartszite we can find a tree and determine a
> winner. BUT I think a brand challenge thread would end up on
> Wonderlodge_all and we would be reduced to angered RV'ers with
the
> same obsolete Detroit engines.
>
> If it helps I saw the pics of your bus and it is very nice.
Aluminum
> is bringing good money nowadays.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes Greg I see the difference, but when you can't explain why
your
> team is better you don't really understand the game, your just
> following a crowd.
> >
> > Our coaches are similar, lets begin the game. Start a new
thread
> and make your play.
> >
> > Troy Tikalsky
> > 1986 Newell
> > Waconia, MN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gregory OConnor
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:38 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89,
36SP
> and Painting cabinets
> >
> >
> > Troy, when you are sitting in the home bleachers with a
winnning
> team
> > you dont have to brag about your players. If you cant see the
> > difference it doesnt matter.
> >
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > self proclaimed expert
> > 94ptRomoland Ca
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Troy Tikalsky"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > How many Newell, Fortravel and Monaco's have you owned? Oh
wait
> > you LOOKED at some so you are now a self-proclaimed expert!
> > >
> > > The Newell is just as good or better than the Blue Bird in
all
> > aspects.
> > >
> > > Having owned both and doing my own maintenance I am happy to
> set
> > you straight. Lets have your list of the better qualities of
the
> > Blue Bird compared to the Newell.
> > >
> > > Troy Tikalsky
> > > 1983 Blue Bird FC33SB CAT 3208T
> > > 1986 Newell WB40 DD8V92
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Gregory OConnor
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:55 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Two questions: CCC on a 89,
> 36SP
> > and Painting cabinets
> > >
> > >
> > > If you looked at Newell, Foretravel or Monaco and think they
> are
> > > comparable to Blue bird, I suspect that you would probably be
> > > satisfied with brush painting the laminates.
> > >
> > > GregoryO'Connor
> > > 94ptRomolandCa
> > >
> > > yahoogroups.com, "eujamfh" <mfhopson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Regardless of the coach (be it a BB, Newell, CC, Foretravel
> or
> > high
> > > > end Monaco) whatever we end up with will be weighed before
I
> > sign
> > > the
> > > > check over. Same for an oil analysis. I really, really have
a
> > spot
> > > > in my heart for the older BB and Newells...but there is
> > > a "practicle"
> > > > side that talks about getting a mid-90's (with the cummins
> > 300/400)
> > > > CC, Foretravel or Monaco (just their higher end units).
> > > >
> > > > The funny thing (and it really is not funny from my chair)
is
> > all
> > > the
> > > > "potential coahces" that I am interested in....are no where
> near
> > > > Northern Virginia. ANd when I was stationed on the West
> > > coast...just
> > > > the opposite was true.
> > > >
> > > > BTW - we sold a class C, Xplorer 27ft on a F-550 with the
PSD
> > and
> > > 4x4
> > > > this past summer. Great rig - but with twins, and two
> labs...and
> > > > liking the national parks (i.e. dry camping) and the fact
we
> > use it
> > > > for traveling to see relatives in New York and
Minnisota...we
> > are
> > > > looking at something with larger tanks. Course all the
above
> > class
> > > As
> > > > fit the bill...
> > > >
> > > > I am curious how close the 36SPs are on weight...
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > > P.S. - As always, thank you for taking the time to post a
> > > > response...the more I know, the better prepared I am to
pull
> the
> > > > trigger when the right "deal" comes my way...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
> > > > <MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't be too happy about the triple C on SPs. Weigh
> > carefully.
> > > > PTs have a tag for a reason.
> > > > > MH
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>