Freeze protection heaters

[ernieekberg@...>]

this cold weather has and is a learning experience
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Neal
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


Yep, those are the wires for the heat tapes. I plugged the one in the
bathroom into it's outlet & it fried the plug right off in my hand.
They will all come out when I replace the water lines too. With the
PEX, you shouldn't really need them as long as you can maintain some
degree of heat tin the spaces where the water lines are located.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34

ernieekberg@... wrote:

> terry- is that the light blue color plugs and wires that run who knows
> where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug those in
> because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut
> those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires
> could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires
> when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Neal
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> Ernie & Group,
>
> My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish that
> it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one in a
> while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the tape. No
> heat tapes plugged in anymore.
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
> ernieekberg@... wrote:
>
> > These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the hot
> > water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> > compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone repleced
> > these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> > Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Pete Masterson
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
> >
> > I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches use
> > "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the kitchen
> > cabinets. See <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>
> > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>>> for
> > a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models. The
> > 120V model is used in my coach.
> >
> > For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system) the
> > fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V ratings
> > at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used on the
> > one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot, then you
> > may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another problem.
> > Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some suggestions.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@...
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
> >
> > > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
> > > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
> > > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
> > > like a charm.
> > > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
> > > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
> > > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> > > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
> > > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
> > > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
> > > hope
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[KP Marsh]

Ernie,

We sure hope you don't have the same temps over the next week that we are
heading for here in Minneapolis. The forecast is for the next 3 to 4 days to
not even get above 0 for the high and after that the highs are only going to be
single digits. Of course it will make the local population break out their
shorts when we hit in the "teens and twenties" again. :o)

Only 57 days remaining to retirement. By May 1st we'll be hitting the road
full-time in our big girl and watching Minneapolis disappear in our rear view
mirror.

Stayin' warm in our LAST winter in Minnesota!

Ken & Patti Marsh
ToWanda, 89PT40WB

ernieekberg@... wrote: this cold
weather has and is a learning experience
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Neal
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Yep, those are the wires for the heat tapes. I plugged the one in the
bathroom into it's outlet & it fried the plug right off in my hand.
They will all come out when I replace the water lines too. With the
PEX, you shouldn't really need them as long as you can maintain some
degree of heat tin the spaces where the water lines are located.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34

ernieekberg@... wrote:

> terry- is that the light blue color plugs and wires that run who knows
> where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug those in
> because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut
> those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires
> could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires
> when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Neal
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> Ernie & Group,
>
> My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish that
> it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one in a
> while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the tape. No
> heat tapes plugged in anymore.
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
> ernieekberg@... wrote:
>
> > These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the hot
> > water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> > compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone repleced
> > these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> > Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Pete Masterson
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
> >
> > I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches use
> > "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the kitchen
> > cabinets. See <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>
> > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>>> for
> > a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models. The
> > 120V model is used in my coach.
> >
> > For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system) the
> > fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V ratings
> > at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used on the
> > one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot, then you
> > may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another problem.
> > Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some suggestions.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@...
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
> >
> > > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
> > > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
> > > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
> > > like a charm.
> > > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
> > > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
> > > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> > > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
> > > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
> > > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
> > > hope
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[Gregory OConnor]

One concept to keep in mind on freeze protection is water must loose
heat to freeze. Things lose heat, they dont get cold. The skin of
the bus is a large heat-sink. any metal pipe or fixture that is
mounted to metal and conductivly connected to the metal skin of the
bus may freeze first. Simple rubber bushings help. I had freeze
damage this year on the outside wash sink.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Terry Neal wrote:
>
> Yep, those are the wires for the heat tapes. I plugged the one in
the
> bathroom into it's outlet & it fried the plug right off in my
hand.
> They will all come out when I replace the water lines too. With
the
> PEX, you shouldn't really need them as long as you can maintain
some
> degree of heat tin the spaces where the water lines are located.
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
>
>
> ernieekberg@... wrote:
>
> > terry- is that the light blue color plugs and wires that run who
knows
> > where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug those in
> > because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners
cut
> > those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those
wires
> > could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those
wires
> > when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4
Wyoming
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Terry Neal
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
> >
> > Ernie & Group,
> >
> > My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish
that
> > it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one
in a
> > while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the
tape. No
> > heat tapes plugged in anymore.
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40
> > 74FC34
> >
> > ernieekberg@... wrote:
> >
> > > These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the
hot
> > > water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> > > compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone
repleced
> > > these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> > > Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Pete Masterson
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches
use
> > > "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the
kitchen
> > > cabinets. See <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>
> > > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>>> for
> > > a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models.
The
> > > 120V model is used in my coach.
> > >
> > > For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system)
the
> > > fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V
ratings
> > > at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used
on the
> > > one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot,
then you
> > > may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another
problem.
> > > Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some
suggestions.
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > aeonix1@... 40mac.com>
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > > El Sobrante, CA
> > >
> > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
> > >
> > > > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a
check on my
> > > > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no
heat. I
> > > > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that
compartment. Works
> > > > like a charm.
> > > > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely
moving.
> > > > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the
partition
> > > > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that
area.
> > > > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to
look for
> > > > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact
heaters like
> > > > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short
time, I
> > > > hope
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
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[ernieekberg@...>]

Ken and Patti- that must be a great feeling to know that you can kick the old
work habit and leave. One of these days, I'll get to know that feeling. ernie
83pt40----in wyoming-almost to monatana
----- Original Message -----
From: KP Marsh
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


Ernie,

We sure hope you don't have the same temps over the next week that we are
heading for here in Minneapolis. The forecast is for the next 3 to 4 days to not
even get above 0 for the high and after that the highs are only going to be
single digits. Of course it will make the local population break out their
shorts when we hit in the "teens and twenties" again. :o)

Only 57 days remaining to retirement. By May 1st we'll be hitting the road
full-time in our big girl and watching Minneapolis disappear in our rear view
mirror.

Stayin' warm in our LAST winter in Minnesota!

Ken & Patti Marsh
ToWanda, 89PT40WB

ernieekberg@... wrote: this cold weather has and is a learning
experience
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Neal
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Yep, those are the wires for the heat tapes. I plugged the one in the
bathroom into it's outlet & it fried the plug right off in my hand.
They will all come out when I replace the water lines too. With the
PEX, you shouldn't really need them as long as you can maintain some
degree of heat tin the spaces where the water lines are located.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34

ernieekberg@... wrote:

> terry- is that the light blue color plugs and wires that run who knows
> where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug those in
> because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut
> those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires
> could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires
> when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Neal
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> Ernie & Group,
>
> My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish that
> it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one in a
> while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the tape. No
> heat tapes plugged in anymore.
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
> ernieekberg@... wrote:
>
> > These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the hot
> > water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> > compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone repleced
> > these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> > Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Pete Masterson
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
> >
> > I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches use
> > "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the kitchen
> > cabinets. See <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>
> > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>>> for
> > a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models. The
> > 120V model is used in my coach.
> >
> > For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system) the
> > fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V ratings
> > at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used on the
> > one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot, then you
> > may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another problem.
> > Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some suggestions.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@...
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
> >
> > > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
> > > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
> > > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
> > > like a charm.
> > > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
> > > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
> > > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> > > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
> > > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
> > > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
> > > hope
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[ernieekberg@...>]

The water pipe runs are right beside the inner steel skin of my coach. I guess
that the cold migrates to my pipes and thus, causes freeze-ups. I have taken the
carpeted boxes off the sides of the coach that conceal the pipes and hopefully,
after I get parked in Montana can run down the weakest link of where the
freezing occurs. Ernie-83PT40 --just pick a spot- it's bloody cold
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters


One concept to keep in mind on freeze protection is water must loose
heat to freeze. Things lose heat, they dont get cold. The skin of
the bus is a large heat-sink. any metal pipe or fixture that is
mounted to metal and conductivly connected to the metal skin of the
bus may freeze first. Simple rubber bushings help. I had freeze
damage this year on the outside wash sink.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Terry Neal wrote:
>
> Yep, those are the wires for the heat tapes. I plugged the one in
the
> bathroom into it's outlet & it fried the plug right off in my
hand.
> They will all come out when I replace the water lines too. With
the
> PEX, you shouldn't really need them as long as you can maintain
some
> degree of heat tin the spaces where the water lines are located.
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
>
>
> ernieekberg@... wrote:
>
> > terry- is that the light blue color plugs and wires that run who
knows
> > where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug those in
> > because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners
cut
> > those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those
wires
> > could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those
wires
> > when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4
Wyoming
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Terry Neal
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
> >
> > Ernie & Group,
> >
> > My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish
that
> > it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one
in a
> > while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the
tape. No
> > heat tapes plugged in anymore.
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40
> > 74FC34
> >
> > ernieekberg@... wrote:
> >
> > > These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the
hot
> > > water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> > > compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone
repleced
> > > these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> > > Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Pete Masterson
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches
use
> > > "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the
kitchen
> > > cabinets. See <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>
> > > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> > <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>>> for
> > > a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models.
The
> > > 120V model is used in my coach.
> > >
> > > For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system)
the
> > > fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V
ratings
> > > at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used
on the
> > > one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot,
then you
> > > may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another
problem.
> > > Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some
suggestions.
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > aeonix1@... 40mac.com>
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > > El Sobrante, CA
> > >
> > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
> > >
> > > > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a
check on my
> > > > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no
heat. I
> > > > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that
compartment. Works
> > > > like a charm.
> > > > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely
moving.
> > > > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the
partition
> > > > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that
area.
> > > > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to
look for
> > > > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact
heaters like
> > > > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short
time, I
> > > > hope
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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[Chuck Wheeler]

Ernie,

Helping friends with their coaches I have seen at least three different
types of heaters that were used for freeze protection. Mine are grey and I
don't remember the make but I believe that I saw them in Granger or McMaster
Carr. I'll look in the next few days. Coldest we have been in is -14 and
the freeze heaters ran almost continuously but nothing froze. I have my
thermostats set at 40 degrees. My heat tape is also good. I serviced mine
right after we got the coach because the original wiring was shedding it's
insulation. One of my squirrel cage fans was damaged also. I took one out
of a blower I got from a computer surplus store. It was in a cabinet
cooler. It was a dual blower arrangement. If you get back in town you can
have the other one if it will fit.

PS- Hair dryers work well on air dryers too!

- Chuck Wheeler -
82 FC 31 SB
Fort Worth, TX


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From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Ekberg
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:46 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters



While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
like a charm.
My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
hope






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[Troy Tikalsky]

Surplus Center has units similar to the ones used in my coach.

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UI...name=\
electric

Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell
Waconia, MN


----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Ekberg
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
like a charm.
My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
hope





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[ernieekberg@...>]

Thanks, Chuck, I appreciate the offer. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Wheeler
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


Ernie,

Helping friends with their coaches I have seen at least three different
types of heaters that were used for freeze protection. Mine are grey and I
don't remember the make but I believe that I saw them in Granger or McMaster
Carr. I'll look in the next few days. Coldest we have been in is -14 and
the freeze heaters ran almost continuously but nothing froze. I have my
thermostats set at 40 degrees. My heat tape is also good. I serviced mine
right after we got the coach because the original wiring was shedding it's
insulation. One of my squirrel cage fans was damaged also. I took one out
of a blower I got from a computer surplus store. It was in a cabinet
cooler. It was a dual blower arrangement. If you get back in town you can
have the other one if it will fit.

PS- Hair dryers work well on air dryers too!

- Chuck Wheeler -
82 FC 31 SB
Fort Worth, TX


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From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Ekberg
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:46 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
like a charm.
My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
hope

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[ernieekberg@...>]

Try- are those heaters very efficient? They look like the size that I could use.
Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Tikalsky
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


Surplus Center has units similar to the ones used in my coach.


http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UI...name=\
electric

Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell
Waconia, MN

----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Ekberg
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
like a charm.
My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
hope

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[Alex Smith]

There are 2 of those pipe wire heaters which plug into 110v outlet under the
bath vanity in my Bird. I had to cut one wire to repair a copper tubing leak.
Can the wire be spliced back?
Any help appreciate.
Alex Smith
Tallahassee
82FC35RB


ernieekberg@... wrote: terry- is that
the light blue color plugs and wires that run who knows where? Both my birds had
those and I was afraid to plug those in because, 1- didn't know if they worked,
2- did previous owners cut those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration
of those wires could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those
wires when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Neal
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Ernie & Group,

My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish that
it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one in a
while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the tape. No
heat tapes plugged in anymore.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34

ernieekberg@... wrote:

> These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the hot
> water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone repleced
> these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Masterson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches use
> "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the kitchen
> cabinets. See <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>> for
> a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models. The
> 120V model is used in my coach.
>
> For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system) the
> fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V ratings
> at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used on the
> one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot, then you
> may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another problem.
> Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some suggestions.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
> On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
>
> > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
> > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
> > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
> > like a charm.
> > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
> > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
> > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
> > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
> > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
> > hope
> >
>
>
>
>

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