Freeze protection heaters
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02-03-2007, 02:25
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Freeze protection heaters
Harry- on my coach are separate thermostats that the original freeze protection
heaters are plugged into. Those thermostats are still functional. Bluebird did a major overkill on those heaters by mounting them on an 1/8 inch steel plate. That unit is then mounted to the wall. Talk about heavy. Ernie-83pt40 in Wyoming- waiting for storm to pass ----- Original Message ----- From: hsaddock To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters Ernie - using Paul's suggestion, you should get approximately half the heat out of the unit compared to if it was run on its design voltage of 220V. From a heat output perspective, probably somewhere around a little less than 2/3rds the heat output of a heater designed for 115v 15 amp circuit. This is a somewhat educated WAG - if we knew the amperage they would draw, we could calculate this more closely. Other issue - if you study the pictures on the web site ("more photos"), you will notice that the heaters are not mounted in any type of enclosure and as such they are not suitable (not safe due to exposed electrical connections, lack of thermal protection from the heating elements to adjacent materials, motor hanging out in space, etc) for directly mounting behind a cabinet, under a bed, etc - they MUST be mounted in some kind of metal enclosure and then the enclosure with the heaters mounted inside mounted where you want them. Also, there is no thermostat on these units, you will need to wire in some kind of thermostat either in/on the enclosure you build for them or a separate thermostat some where in the area you are using them to to heat, otherwise they will just keep heating until you disconnect them. Lastly, you may want to put an on/off switch some where near where they are located. Still a great price for what they are - but they are not a "drop in" Harry Saddock 83FC35 South Windsor, CT --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdsp36" > > Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a 9" > long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should get very > warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try them on > a Q-bus I'm building. > > Paul C > Virginia > 90 SP-36 > 95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird") > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > > Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't > know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on > the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what that > means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what happens > with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie-83PT40 in > Wyoming > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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02-03-2007, 10:59
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Freeze protection heaters
Yes, it appears to be only one wire, so I think I'll get back in there and take
a closer look. Thanks. Alex Tallahassee 82FC35 ernieekberg@... wrote: Alex- if these is only 1 wire, I don't know why that can't be just wire nutted together. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters There are 2 of those pipe wire heaters which plug into 110v outlet under the bath vanity in my Bird. I had to cut one wire to repair a copper tubing leak. Can the wire be spliced back? Any help appreciate. Alex Smith Tallahassee 82FC35RB ernieekberg@... wrote: terry- is that the light blue color plugs and wires that run who knows where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug those in because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming . --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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02-03-2007, 11:08
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Freeze protection heaters
Hey Bill,
I don't believe there is an element, just a single light blue wire wrapping around the bundled copper piping. Alex Smith Tallahassee 82FC35 Wilhelmus Schreurs Alex: If you are talking about the element themselves, no, they cannot be wired back together. If you cut the wire to the element that is ok to splice back together. Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge" Terrace, B.C. Canada ----- Original Message ---- From: "ernieekberg@..." To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 10:01:15 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters Alex- if these is only 1 wire, I don't know why that can't be just wire nutted together. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Smith To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters There are 2 of those pipe wire heaters which plug into 110v outlet under the bath vanity in my Bird. I had to cut one wire to repair a copper tubing leak. Can the wire be spliced back? Any help appreciate. Alex Smith Tallahassee 82FC35RB ernieekberg@ peoplepc. com wrote: terry- is that the light blue color plugs and wires that run who knows where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug those in because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires could possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires when I was adding my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming . --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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02-03-2007, 23:34
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Ernie - Sounds like typical Bluebird, SOLID construction! Good luck
installing those heaters, let me know how it goes. Are you still stuck in Buffalo? Harry Saddock 83FC35 South Windsor, CT --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > Harry- on my coach are separate thermostats that the original freeze protection heaters are plugged into. Those thermostats are still functional. > Bluebird did a major overkill on those heaters by mounting them on an 1/8 inch steel plate. That unit is then mounted to the wall. Talk about heavy. Ernie-83pt40 in Wyoming- waiting for storm to pass > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hsaddock > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:09 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters > > > Ernie - using Paul's suggestion, you should get approximately half > the heat out of the unit compared to if it was run on its design > voltage of 220V. From a heat output perspective, probably somewhere > around a little less than 2/3rds the heat output of a heater designed > for 115v 15 amp circuit. This is a somewhat educated WAG - if we > knew the amperage they would draw, we could calculate this more > closely. Other issue - if you study the pictures on the web site > ("more photos"), you will notice that the heaters are not mounted in > any type of enclosure and as such they are not suitable (not safe due > to exposed electrical connections, lack of thermal protection from > the heating elements to adjacent materials, motor hanging out in > space, etc) for directly mounting behind a cabinet, under a bed, etc - > they MUST be mounted in some kind of metal enclosure and then the > enclosure with the heaters mounted inside mounted where you want > them. Also, there is no thermostat on these units, you will need to > wire in some kind of thermostat either in/on the enclosure you build > for them or a separate thermostat some where in the area you are > using them to to heat, otherwise they will just keep heating until > you disconnect them. Lastly, you may want to put an on/off switch > some where near where they are located. Still a great price for what > they are - but they are not a "drop in" > Harry Saddock > 83FC35 > South Windsor, CT > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdsp36" > > > > > Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a 9" > > long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should get > very > > warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try them > on > > a Q-bus I'm building. > > > > Paul C > > Virginia > > 90 SP-36 > > 95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird") > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > > > > Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't > > know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on > > the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what that > > means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what > happens > > with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie- 83PT40 > in > > Wyoming > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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02-04-2007, 02:10
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Freeze protection heaters
Harry- I'm going to try an leave here shortly. No snow, the sun has finally come
up. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Buffalo, Wyoming----- Original Message ----- From: hsaddock To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:34 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters Ernie - Sounds like typical Bluebird, SOLID construction! Good luck installing those heaters, let me know how it goes. Are you still stuck in Buffalo? Harry Saddock 83FC35 South Windsor, CT --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > Harry- on my coach are separate thermostats that the original freeze protection heaters are plugged into. Those thermostats are still functional. > Bluebird did a major overkill on those heaters by mounting them on an 1/8 inch steel plate. That unit is then mounted to the wall. Talk about heavy. Ernie-83pt40 in Wyoming- waiting for storm to pass > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hsaddock > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:09 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters > > > Ernie - using Paul's suggestion, you should get approximately half > the heat out of the unit compared to if it was run on its design > voltage of 220V. From a heat output perspective, probably somewhere > around a little less than 2/3rds the heat output of a heater designed > for 115v 15 amp circuit. This is a somewhat educated WAG - if we > knew the amperage they would draw, we could calculate this more > closely. Other issue - if you study the pictures on the web site > ("more photos"), you will notice that the heaters are not mounted in > any type of enclosure and as such they are not suitable (not safe due > to exposed electrical connections, lack of thermal protection from > the heating elements to adjacent materials, motor hanging out in > space, etc) for directly mounting behind a cabinet, under a bed, etc - > they MUST be mounted in some kind of metal enclosure and then the > enclosure with the heaters mounted inside mounted where you want > them. Also, there is no thermostat on these units, you will need to > wire in some kind of thermostat either in/on the enclosure you build > for them or a separate thermostat some where in the area you are > using them to to heat, otherwise they will just keep heating until > you disconnect them. Lastly, you may want to put an on/off switch > some where near where they are located. Still a great price for what > they are - but they are not a "drop in" > Harry Saddock > 83FC35 > South Windsor, CT > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdsp36" > > > > > Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a 9" > > long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should get > very > > warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try them > on > > a Q-bus I'm building. > > > > Paul C > > Virginia > > 90 SP-36 > > 95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird") > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > > > > Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't > > know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on > > the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what that > > means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what > happens > > with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie- 83PT40 > in > > Wyoming > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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02-10-2007, 10:27
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My new freeze protection heaters arrived this week. The blower works
great, but as Harry mentioned I need 220 for the heater element. I tried to use the heater on 110, but the element could not put out enough heat to keep anything warm. So- if someone who has a coach with freeze protection heaters can be kind enough to give me a name I'll do a search for that company. And get the correct heaters for my coach. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston, Mt dead freeze protection heaters- don't know why they died- just 24 years old! |
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02-10-2007, 10:55
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Ernie,
Dog years are said to be 7 to 1 so Bird years are maybe 5 or 6 to 1. Howard Truitt Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Ekberg To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters My new freeze protection heaters arrived this week. The blower works great, but as Harry mentioned I need 220 for the heater element. I tried to use the heater on 110, but the element could not put out enough heat to keep anything warm. So- if someone who has a coach with freeze protection heaters can be kind enough to give me a name I'll do a search for that company. And get the correct heaters for my coach. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston, Mt dead freeze protection heaters- don't know why they died- just 24 years old! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.33/678 - Release Date: 2/9/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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