Can I run B20?

[Ryan Wright]

I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a lot of
B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie" stuff. Can
I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without problems? I
understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at first,
but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
supporting American corn farmers.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)

[Mike Hohnstein]

It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not like the sudden
introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture a sudden loss of power
and time on the side of the road waiting for the road angle to change fuel
filters. Just pay big oil until you get home, then do some research on the good
and bad of "bio".
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Wright
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?


I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a lot of
B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie" stuff. Can
I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without problems? I
understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at first,
but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
supporting American corn farmers.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)




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[erniecarpet@...]

Brad, Al Johnson in Mandeville, La has been using his own biodiesel in his
BMC. Hopefully he will chime in on your question.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt




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[brad barton]

Mike,
I think you'll actually be helping Texas Soybean farmers. The corn's used
to make Ethanol..which is even worse for your car than biodiesel is for your
bus. I'd like to see a consortium of BB owners get together and make their
own biodiesel. I think it's better for engines in the long run, but it has
such a cleaning effect it can clog your filters w/ petroleum residue the
first few times.
Has anyone out there tried "Diesel Secret" where you simply filter used
cooking oil and add a catalyst, usually Lye? Or as has anyone made their
own BioDiesel?
If this subject has already been handled, just point me to the thread and
ignore me.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...





>From: "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:54:18 -0600
>
>It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not like the
>sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture a sudden
>loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the road angle
>to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get home, then do some
>research on the good and bad of "bio".
>MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan Wright
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
>
>
> I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a lot of
> B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie" stuff. Can
> I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without problems? I
> understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at first,
> but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
> supporting American corn farmers.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
>
>
>
>
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>

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[Mike Hohnstein]

I have researched the viability of bio, straight grease etc. Problem I
can't get over is after 7 or 8 hundred miles from the home base, gotta fill
again. My stash of low buck fuel don't help me then.
I suppose if one has great memories of playing with a chemistry set as a
youngster, add the notion of getting over on "big oil", the tenacity to deal
with a major mess, and just a small amount of grease is a mess, it could
work. However, I'll go to the truck stop for now, not the Flying J mind
you.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: "brad barton" <bbartonwx@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?


> Mike,
> I think you'll actually be helping Texas Soybean farmers. The corn's used
> to make Ethanol..which is even worse for your car than biodiesel is for
> your
> bus. I'd like to see a consortium of BB owners get together and make
> their
> own biodiesel. I think it's better for engines in the long run, but it
> has
> such a cleaning effect it can clog your filters w/ petroleum residue the
> first few times.
> Has anyone out there tried "Diesel Secret" where you simply filter used
> cooking oil and add a catalyst, usually Lye? Or as has anyone made their
> own BioDiesel?
> If this subject has already been handled, just point me to the thread and
> ignore me.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
>>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
>>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:54:18 -0600
>>
>>It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not like the
>>sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture a sudden
>>loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the road angle
>>to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get home, then do some
>>research on the good and bad of "bio".
>>MH
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ryan Wright
>> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
>>
>>
>> I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a lot of
>> B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie" stuff. Can
>> I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without problems? I
>> understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at first,
>> but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
>> supporting American corn farmers.
>>
>> -Ryan
>> '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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[Al]

Ryan,
Since this is a new to you bus, I would strongly recommend you not
use the biodiesel on your voyage back home. Because biodiesel has a
cleaning effort on the petro carbons left in your system, they will end
up in your filters. Do the conversion when you safely made it back to
your home so you will have access to all the tools and what not you
need. Chances are you will not have a problem but I would not take a
chance. Plus you need to know how the bus performs before you
complicate matters.

As for buying biodiesel from commercial pumps, usually you will
find the cost will probably be more than petro diesel. If you make it
yourself, your cost should be about $0.66 a gallon. No time /
equipment included in the calculation.

Al Johnson
Mandeville, Louisiana
'96 BMC B100
'04 VW Passat B100
'03 Dodge 2500 B100

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Wright"
wrote:
>
> I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a lot of
> B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie" stuff. Can
> I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without problems? I
> understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at first,
> but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
> supporting American corn farmers.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
>

[Al]

I totally agree with you on wait till you get home to convert.

Al Johnson
Mandeville, Lousiana
'96 BMC B100
'04 VW Passat B100
'03 Dodge 2500 B100

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not like
the sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture a
sudden loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the
road angle to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get
home, then do some research on the good and bad of "bio".
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan Wright
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
>
>
> I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a lot
of
> B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie"
stuff. Can
> I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without
problems? I
> understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at
first,
> but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
> supporting American corn farmers.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Al]

Brad,
I have read a ton of feedback on "Diesel Secret". STAY AWAY from
it. The making of biodiesel is a chemical reaction that strips away
the fatty molecules thus thining the oil to consistency of petro
diesel. The biodiesel is going to be better on engines and better on
the environment. You get less friction because of all the
lubrication. You also get no carbon monoxide but instead you get
carbon dioxide which plants use to make oxygen for us. I have never
had to change a filter on the bus due to it being clogged. I do
service and change out all filters every 5k miles. I make my own
fuel and have since Nov. '05. Only had one filter clog on my '93
Dodge truck. Changed out the fuel filter, reprimed the engine and
off she went. So moral of the story, keep extra filters / wrenches
just in case.

Al Johnson
Mandeville, Louisiana
'96 BMC B100
'04 VW Passat B100
'03 Dodge 2500 B100
'93 Dodge 2500 B100

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "brad barton"
<bbartonwx@...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I think you'll actually be helping Texas Soybean farmers. The
corn's used
> to make Ethanol..which is even worse for your car than biodiesel is
for your
> bus. I'd like to see a consortium of BB owners get together and
make their
> own biodiesel. I think it's better for engines in the long run,
but it has
> such a cleaning effect it can clog your filters w/ petroleum
residue the
> first few times.
> Has anyone out there tried "Diesel Secret" where you simply filter
used
> cooking oil and add a catalyst, usually Lye? Or as has anyone made
their
> own BioDiesel?
> If this subject has already been handled, just point me to the
thread and
> ignore me.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
> >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:54:18 -0600
> >
> >It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not like
the
> >sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture a
sudden
> >loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the
road angle
> >to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get home, then
do some
> >research on the good and bad of "bio".
> >MH
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ryan Wright
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> >
> >
> > I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a
lot of
> > B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie"
stuff. Can
> > I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without
problems? I
> > understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at
first,
> > but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
> > supporting American corn farmers.
> >
> > -Ryan
> > '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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[brad barton]

Ernie,
Thanks. I'm sure I'm not the only coach owner dreading my next fillup.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
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[brad barton]

Al,
Thanks for the feedback. Not being a chemist, nor retired, I'm pretty
reluctant to get into it right now, but it's intriguing.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
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