Can I run B20?

[fl_bluebird_1983]

B20 shouldn't cause any problems with the fuel lines, but will act as
a solvent for the gunk in the tank. Make sure you carry extra
filters. I put B20 in my bird in Fort Valley, GA no problems YET! I
make my own biodiesel and run it in my VW TDI. I haven't been brave
enough to put it in the bus yet (need to change old fuel hoses). I
belong to several biodiesel forums and "Diesel Secret" is considered
snake oil by the majority. Many are "blending" veg oil with dino
diesel or RUG (regular unleaded gas) or burning SVO (straight veg
oil) but I have read this could lead to coking of the injectors. But
when Rudolf Diesel invented the diesel engine, he ran it on pure
peanut oil. So maybe it's the oil companys that don't want us doing
it. You can find LOTS of info on the web to support whichever
position you like. Here are some of the better sites. (Hey Larry
these are for you!)

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums (good forum to ask
questions)

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/ (this is the best how to site)

http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/ (see the links page)

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html (this one has some good and
some bad info, but good general info just don't use their recipes)



Thanks
Bruce Campbell
"Blue Skies" '83FC35SB runnin' B20

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "brad barton"
<bbartonwx@...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I think you'll actually be helping Texas Soybean farmers. The
corn's used
> to make Ethanol..which is even worse for your car than biodiesel is
for your
> bus. I'd like to see a consortium of BB owners get together and
make their
> own biodiesel. I think it's better for engines in the long run,
but it has
> such a cleaning effect it can clog your filters w/ petroleum
residue the
> first few times.
> Has anyone out there tried "Diesel Secret" where you simply filter
used
> cooking oil and add a catalyst, usually Lye? Or as has anyone made
their
> own BioDiesel?
> If this subject has already been handled, just point me to the
thread and
> ignore me.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
> >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:54:18 -0600
> >
> >It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not like
the
> >sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture a
sudden
> >loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the
road angle
> >to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get home, then
do some
> >research on the good and bad of "bio".
> >MH
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ryan Wright
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> >
> >
> > I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a
lot of
> > B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie"
stuff. Can
> > I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without
problems? I
> > understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner at
first,
> > but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
> > supporting American corn farmers.
> >
> > -Ryan
> > '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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[davidkerryedwards]

There's a website out there from a guy who bought a Wanderlodge, put in a pretty
expensive WVO system and then drove from the Northwest to Rhode Island. I met
him on
a Mercedes forum. Ran the whole way on WVO. He has some pictures of some
mighty
disgusting WVO that he ran through the coach. The economics of the system he
used
seemed upside down to me.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
wrote:
>
> I have researched the viability of bio, straight grease etc. Problem I
> can't get over is after 7 or 8 hundred miles from the home base, gotta fill
> again. My stash of low buck fuel don't help me then.
> I suppose if one has great memories of playing with a chemistry set as a
> youngster, add the notion of getting over on "big oil", the tenacity to deal
> with a major mess, and just a small amount of grease is a mess, it could
> work. However, I'll go to the truck stop for now, not the Flying J mind
> you.
> MH

[davidkerryedwards]

Here are the links to the Wanderlodge WVO

http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5063

http://www.liquidsolarpower.com/

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

[Al]

Mike,
That is the beauty of Biodiesel. It will work in any form of
mixture with the petro diesel. When you are outside of your range,
suck it up and pay the big bucks for dino diesel. You don't have to
return to home base full so leave enough to get you home.Then start
filling her for your next trip. :o>

Al Johnson
Mandeville, Louiana
'96 BMC B100
'04 VW Passat
'03 Dodge 2500 B100
'93 Dodge 2500 B100
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> I have researched the viability of bio, straight grease etc.
Problem I
> can't get over is after 7 or 8 hundred miles from the home base,
gotta fill
> again. My stash of low buck fuel don't help me then.
> I suppose if one has great memories of playing with a chemistry set
as a
> youngster, add the notion of getting over on "big oil", the
tenacity to deal
> with a major mess, and just a small amount of grease is a mess, it
could
> work. However, I'll go to the truck stop for now, not the Flying J
mind
> you.
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brad barton" <bbartonwx@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
>
>
> > Mike,
> > I think you'll actually be helping Texas Soybean farmers. The
corn's used
> > to make Ethanol..which is even worse for your car than biodiesel
is for
> > your
> > bus. I'd like to see a consortium of BB owners get together and
make
> > their
> > own biodiesel. I think it's better for engines in the long run,
but it
> > has
> > such a cleaning effect it can clog your filters w/ petroleum
residue the
> > first few times.
> > Has anyone out there tried "Diesel Secret" where you simply
filter used
> > cooking oil and add a catalyst, usually Lye? Or as has anyone
made their
> > own BioDiesel?
> > If this subject has already been handled, just point me to the
thread and
> > ignore me.
> >
> > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > bbartonwx@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
> >>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >>To:
> >>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> >>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:54:18 -0600
> >>
> >>It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not like
the
> >>sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture a
sudden
> >>loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the
road angle
> >>to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get home,
then do some
> >>research on the good and bad of "bio".
> >>MH
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Ryan Wright
> >> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> >>
> >>
> >> I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a
lot of
> >> B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie"
stuff. Can
> >> I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without
problems? I
> >> understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner
at first,
> >> but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
> >> supporting American corn farmers.
> >>
> >> -Ryan
> >> '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Ryan Wright]

Wow! Lots of great responses. Thanks folks! I'll stick to petro for
the trip, then, but the minute I get home I'm going to start digging
into producing my own Bio. I like to tinker, so this will be fun.

-Ryan

[Al]

I would not spend any time on
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Lots of the data on that site is outdated and not current. Many
advances have been made so this site give plenty of bad ( not
current ).

Al Johnson
Mandeville, Louisiana
'96 BMC B100
'04 VW Passat B100
'03 Dodge 2500 B100
'93 Dodge 2500 B100

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "fl_bluebird_1983"
wrote:
>
> B20 shouldn't cause any problems with the fuel lines, but will act
as
> a solvent for the gunk in the tank. Make sure you carry extra
> filters. I put B20 in my bird in Fort Valley, GA no problems YET! I
> make my own biodiesel and run it in my VW TDI. I haven't been brave
> enough to put it in the bus yet (need to change old fuel hoses). I
> belong to several biodiesel forums and "Diesel Secret" is
considered
> snake oil by the majority. Many are "blending" veg oil with dino
> diesel or RUG (regular unleaded gas) or burning SVO (straight veg
> oil) but I have read this could lead to coking of the injectors.
But
> when Rudolf Diesel invented the diesel engine, he ran it on pure
> peanut oil. So maybe it's the oil companys that don't want us doing
> it. You can find LOTS of info on the web to support whichever
> position you like. Here are some of the better sites. (Hey Larry
> these are for you!)
>
> http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums (good forum to ask
> questions)
>
> http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/ (this is the best how to site)
>
> http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/ (see the links page)
>
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html (this one has some good
and
> some bad info, but good general info just don't use their recipes)
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Bruce Campbell
> "Blue Skies" '83FC35SB runnin' B20
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "brad barton"
> <bbartonwx@> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I think you'll actually be helping Texas Soybean farmers. The
> corn's used
> > to make Ethanol..which is even worse for your car than biodiesel
is
> for your
> > bus. I'd like to see a consortium of BB owners get together and
> make their
> > own biodiesel. I think it's better for engines in the long run,
> but it has
> > such a cleaning effect it can clog your filters w/ petroleum
> residue the
> > first few times.
> > Has anyone out there tried "Diesel Secret" where you simply
filter
> used
> > cooking oil and add a catalyst, usually Lye? Or as has anyone
made
> their
> > own BioDiesel?
> > If this subject has already been handled, just point me to the
> thread and
> > ignore me.
> >
> > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > bbartonwx@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@>
> > >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> > >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:54:18 -0600
> > >
> > >It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not
like
> the
> > >sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20. Picture
a
> sudden
> > >loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the
> road angle
> > >to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get home,
then
> do some
> > >research on the good and bad of "bio".
> > >MH
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ryan Wright
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> > >
> > >
> > > I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are a
> lot of
> > > B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie"
> stuff. Can
> > > I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without
> problems? I
> > > understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters sooner
at
> first,
> > > but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money while
> > > supporting American corn farmers.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > > '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Download Messenger. Join the i'm Initiative. Help make a
difference
> today.
> > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?so...AGHM_APR07
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>

[Mike Hohnstein]

Yeah, but he got to stick it to "big oil". Far out man. Takes all kinds to
fill the freeways.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: davidkerryedwards
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Can I run B20?


There's a website out there from a guy who bought a Wanderlodge, put in a
pretty
expensive WVO system and then drove from the Northwest to Rhode Island. I met
him on
a Mercedes forum. Ran the whole way on WVO. He has some pictures of some
mighty
disgusting WVO that he ran through the coach. The economics of the system he
used
seemed upside down to me.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...>
wrote:
>
> I have researched the viability of bio, straight grease etc. Problem I
> can't get over is after 7 or 8 hundred miles from the home base, gotta fill
> again. My stash of low buck fuel don't help me then.
> I suppose if one has great memories of playing with a chemistry set as a
> youngster, add the notion of getting over on "big oil", the tenacity to deal
> with a major mess, and just a small amount of grease is a mess, it could
> work. However, I'll go to the truck stop for now, not the Flying J mind
> you.
> MH





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fl_bluebird_1983]

You're right Al, I put it out there with a warning. I just didn't
want anyone to stumble on it. There is some "general" info about the
concept of biofuels. Like I said I wouldn't use their recipes. The
biodieselcommunity.org is one of the best "how to" sites out there.
Watch out for the ones trying to sell you something.


Thanks
Bruce Campbell
"Blue Skies" '82FC35SB


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
>
> I would not spend any time on
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
>
> Lots of the data on that site is outdated and not current. Many
> advances have been made so this site give plenty of bad ( not
> current ).
>
> Al Johnson
> Mandeville, Louisiana
> '96 BMC B100
> '04 VW Passat B100
> '03 Dodge 2500 B100
> '93 Dodge 2500 B100
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "fl_bluebird_1983"
> wrote:
> >
> > B20 shouldn't cause any problems with the fuel lines, but will
act
> as
> > a solvent for the gunk in the tank. Make sure you carry extra
> > filters. I put B20 in my bird in Fort Valley, GA no problems YET!
I
> > make my own biodiesel and run it in my VW TDI. I haven't been
brave
> > enough to put it in the bus yet (need to change old fuel hoses).
I
> > belong to several biodiesel forums and "Diesel Secret" is
> considered
> > snake oil by the majority. Many are "blending" veg oil with dino
> > diesel or RUG (regular unleaded gas) or burning SVO (straight veg
> > oil) but I have read this could lead to coking of the injectors.
> But
> > when Rudolf Diesel invented the diesel engine, he ran it on pure
> > peanut oil. So maybe it's the oil companys that don't want us
doing
> > it. You can find LOTS of info on the web to support whichever
> > position you like. Here are some of the better sites. (Hey Larry
> > these are for you!)
> >
> > http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums (good forum to ask
> > questions)
> >
> > http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/ (this is the best how to
site)
> >
> > http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/ (see the links page)
> >
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html (this one has some good
> and
> > some bad info, but good general info just don't use their recipes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bruce Campbell
> > "Blue Skies" '83FC35SB runnin' B20
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "brad barton"
> > <bbartonwx@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I think you'll actually be helping Texas Soybean farmers. The
> > corn's used
> > > to make Ethanol..which is even worse for your car than
biodiesel
> is
> > for your
> > > bus. I'd like to see a consortium of BB owners get together
and
> > make their
> > > own biodiesel. I think it's better for engines in the long
run,
> > but it has
> > > such a cleaning effect it can clog your filters w/ petroleum
> > residue the
> > > first few times.
> > > Has anyone out there tried "Diesel Secret" where you simply
> filter
> > used
> > > cooking oil and add a catalyst, usually Lye? Or as has anyone
> made
> > their
> > > own BioDiesel?
> > > If this subject has already been handled, just point me to the
> > thread and
> > > ignore me.
> > >
> > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > > bbartonwx@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@>
> > > >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To:
> > > >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> > > >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:54:18 -0600
> > > >
> > > >It's a nice thought but the filters and fuel lines might not
> like
> > the
> > > >sudden introduction of the cleaning effect of the B20.
Picture
> a
> > sudden
> > > >loss of power and time on the side of the road waiting for the
> > road angle
> > > >to change fuel filters. Just pay big oil until you get home,
> then
> > do some
> > > >research on the good and bad of "bio".
> > > >MH
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ryan Wright
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:47 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Can I run B20?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I saw a couple of posts of folks using Bio. I see there are
a
> > lot of
> > > > B20 sellers on my route home, most notably this "BioWillie"
> > stuff. Can
> > > > I just pull my bus in to one of these and fill up without
> > problems? I
> > > > understand there is a chance of clogging fuel filters
sooner
> at
> > first,
> > > > but otherwise, what's your take? I'd love to save money
while
> > > > supporting American corn farmers.
> > > >
> > > > -Ryan
> > > > '86 PT-40 8V92 (Tuesday!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
_________________________________________________________________
> > > Download Messenger. Join the i'm Initiative. Help make a
> difference
> > today.
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> >
>

[Pete Masterson]

Do it your self/homemade bio diesel is one thing... and may be a
useful way to get rid of wast cooking oil. However, commercial
biodiesel is generally made from soybeans ... and the Amazon rain
forest is being destroyed to grow soybeans. Starting in the 90s, new
varieties of tropical-weather tolerant soybeans were developed.
Brazil is now the largest exporter of soybeans in the world. While
most Brazilian soybeans are shipped to Europe, soybeans are a
commodity product where one soybean is much like any other.

Don't believe me? Take a look at the January 2007 issue of National
Geographic. The cover story is on the disappearing rain forest and
growing soybeans in Brazil.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Johnson City, Texas



On Apr 23, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Al wrote:

> <snip>The biodiesel is going to be better on engines and better on
> the environment. <snip>

[Al]

Pete,
Hopefully you don't believe that the production of biodiesel is
the whole reason for the loss of the Amazon Rain Forest. Anyway, I
did a search for soybeans to see if the only use was biodiesel. It's
not. Here is a link that shows that soybean is used for the
following items:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean
6.1 Oil
6.2 Meal
6.3 Flour
6.4 Infant formula
6.5 Substitute for existing products
6.6 Other products

The biodiesel movement realizes that soybean amoung other types of
oil will not be able to keep up with demand. The researching portion
of the movement is trying to develop an algie based biodiesel.
Biodiesel is a renewable resource. Does not produce smog or
contribute to global warning.

I am not looking to get into a big debate here. Just want to make
sure people don't think the rain forest is dissapearing for biodiesel
consumption. In my mind, it's dissappearing because the world is
becoming more populated and requires resources. The land owners are
trying to better themselves financially as depicted below.

I found another website that shows the economic effect of the each
landowner for parcels in the Amazon.
http://www.rain-tree.com/facts.htm

The latest statistics show that rainforest land converted to cattle
operations yields the land owner $60 per acre and if timber is
harvested, the land is worth $400 per acre. However, if these
renewable and sustainable resources are harvested, the land will
yield the land owner $2,400 per acre.

I live in a coastal state where Big Oil has carved it up so they can
put pipelines in from the Gulf to transport the oil to refineries.
We loose 35 square miles per year to coastal erosion. To me, its
important to not support Big Oil since diesel is $2.839 a gallon
today. What is it going to be in 5 years? We must develop
alternative fuels or our economy will be in jeaporty

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2005/09sep/gulfcoast.cfm
Indeed, the region has enormous impact on the entire country:

The wetlands offer protection for the pipelines, roads and varied
infrastructure that enable the transport of more than 25 percent of
the oil and gas consumed in the United States.
Eighty percent of the oil and gas produced offshore passes through
the area.
Thirty percent of the nation's fisheries catch originates here.
The world's largest port system is sited here.

So I strongly believe we should be concerned about our own homeland
before we have concern for another country.

Al Johnson
Mandeville, Louisiana
'96 BMC B100
'04 VW Passat
'03 Dodge 2500 B100
'93 Dodge 2500 B100

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> Do it your self/homemade bio diesel is one thing... and may be a
> useful way to get rid of wast cooking oil. However, commercial
> biodiesel is generally made from soybeans ... and the Amazon rain
> forest is being destroyed to grow soybeans. Starting in the 90s,
new
> varieties of tropical-weather tolerant soybeans were developed.
> Brazil is now the largest exporter of soybeans in the world. While
> most Brazilian soybeans are shipped to Europe, soybeans are a
> commodity product where one soybean is much like any other.
>
> Don't believe me? Take a look at the January 2007 issue of
National
> Geographic. The cover story is on the disappearing rain forest and
> growing soybeans in Brazil.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> aeonix1@...
> On the road at Johnson City, Texas
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Al wrote:
>
> > <snip>The biodiesel is going to be better on engines and better on
> > the environment. <snip>
>