1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on eBay

[bubblerboy64]

Truth be known I am rather impulsive so "fence sitter" sounds like a
compliment to me :-) Tell me how serious a guy is when he is
willing to travel hundreds of miles to "look"? JEH
>
> By the letter of the law I think you are absolutely correct. Had I
> bid on Tom's coach or any other for that matter on eBay I would
have
> e-mailed the owner with my terms. It's one thing to buy a small
item
> on eBay and take your chances but a motor home sight-un-seen based
> upon a couple pictures and the owners estimates of condition is
> expecting a real leap of faith. I do agree that the fellow should
> have factored in his need to get the coach to where ever. My gut
> feeling this is his excuse for not going thru with the purchase. He
> may have had any number of reasons and this is the one that he
> apparently got Tom to accept. Who knows. I would suspect as a
seller
> Tom can't be happy but the reality of eBay is this happens all the
> time. JEH
> >
> > So now Ebay contracts are binding with conditions. The seller has
> to figure a way to get it to CA.
> > The man should have paid you as per the contract or he shouldn't
> have bid on the property in the first place. If he needed a place
to
> store it temporarily, I imagine you would have charged a nominal
fee
> to do so.
> > There is not much integrity in the world today. My 2 cents fwiw.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Meservey
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on
> eBay
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > My 1981 33' coach is back on eBay. The "buy it now" bidder came
> and looked the coach over for three days, loved it; however there
are
> some serious logistics problems of getting it to California. He is
on
> a job in Hawaii and could not find an economical way of getting it
to
> CA. So it is back up for sale. Let's not let this honey sit the
> summer in the hot SC sun not being used. Thanks.
> >
> > Regards to the group.
> >
> > Tom Meservey, USN (Ret)
> > Ladson, SC
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo!
> Travel.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[truitt44@...>]

What happened to Tom is a good reason to require a non refundable, minumun
$1000.00 dollar or 5% of the cost of the coach deposit, within 24 hrs. of close
of auction and balance and pickup due within 7 days. They would think long and
hard before walking away if they have something to loose. Just sounds like he
got cold feet.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40
>
> From: "bubblerboy64"
> Date: 2007/06/07 Thu PM 02:37:20 EDT
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on eBay
>
> By the letter of the law I think you are absolutely correct. Had I
> bid on Tom's coach or any other for that matter on eBay I would have
> e-mailed the owner with my terms. It's one thing to buy a small item
> on eBay and take your chances but a motor home sight-un-seen based
> upon a couple pictures and the owners estimates of condition is
> expecting a real leap of faith. I do agree that the fellow should
> have factored in his need to get the coach to where ever. My gut
> feeling this is his excuse for not going thru with the purchase. He
> may have had any number of reasons and this is the one that he
> apparently got Tom to accept. Who knows. I would suspect as a seller
> Tom can't be happy but the reality of eBay is this happens all the
> time. JEH
> >
> > So now Ebay contracts are binding with conditions. The seller has
> to figure a way to get it to CA.
> > The man should have paid you as per the contract or he shouldn't
> have bid on the property in the first place. If he needed a place to
> store it temporarily, I imagine you would have charged a nominal fee
> to do so.
> > There is not much integrity in the world today. My 2 cents fwiw.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Meservey
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on
> eBay
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > My 1981 33' coach is back on eBay. The "buy it now" bidder came
> and looked the coach over for three days, loved it; however there are
> some serious logistics problems of getting it to California. He is on
> a job in Hawaii and could not find an economical way of getting it to
> CA. So it is back up for sale. Let's not let this honey sit the
> summer in the hot SC sun not being used. Thanks.
> >
> > Regards to the group.
> >
> > Tom Meservey, USN (Ret)
> > Ladson, SC
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo!
> Travel.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>

[Ryan Wright]

On 6/7/07, truitt44@... wrote:
>
> What happened to Tom is a good reason to require a non refundable, minumun
$1000.00
> dollar or 5% of the cost of the coach deposit, within 24 hrs. of close of
auction and
> balance and pickup due within 7 days. They would think long and hard before
walking
> away if they have something to loose. Just sounds like he got cold feet.
> Howard Truitt
> Camilla, Ga.
> 86 PT40

Agreed, Howard.

That said: If I were selling a coach or car on eBay, I'd add that the
"non-refundable" deposit would be refunded if the buyer finds the
vehicle significantly misrepresented. That gives buyers warm, fuzzy
feelings and is how I sold a custom sports car on the Internet a few
years ago. The biggest worry with a long distance transaction like
this is flying in on a one way ticket to pick it up and, oh, sorry,
forget to mention the significant frame rust, the brakes that don't
work and the paint that's falling off in the areas the seller
strategically avoided photographing.

So, a non-refundable deposit unless buyer finds significant
misrepresentation. Protects the seller from idiot buyers while not
limiting the market. Blanket non-refundable deposits will limit your
market; I'm an honest buyer with money to spend and I don't send such
deposits. I want assurances that when I uncover all of the problems
the seller "forgot" to mention in his ad, I can walk away with only my
transportation out of pocket. Of course if a seller is up front and
honest about everything, then I'll be driving it home and he has
nothing to worry about.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92, didn't send a deposit, our verbal agreement was as
good as a hand shake was as binding as a legal contract as far as this
man is concerned. Let your word be your word and your reputation will
speak for itself.
Tri-Cities, WA

[Leroy Eckert]

Something is backwards here!
I think all of Howard's suggestions should happen. Deposits, contract execution
and close the deal. After all the purchaser willfully made a choice and in doing
so took the mans asset off the market for a period of time without compensation.
Can I buy your home that way? Let me hold it for awhile. Just because it happens
on Ebay in violation of contract law does not make it right.
The argument of misrepresentation is subjective. The last time I checked, Caveat
Emptor has nothing to do with the seller. I imagine any asset for sale on Ebay
or anywhere else is available for pre-purchase inspection by the potential
purchaser or his/her agent prior bidding and/or negotiating.
So what does long distance travel have to do with the seller, his price or
anything else? If the purchaser wants the item put the travel costs in the basis
of the motorhome. If you don't purchase that one summarize all the costs of
looking for one and put that into the price of the one you ultimately purchase.
That is part of the cost of purchasing one. Apparantly, it is less painful to
run all over creation looking for a "deal" because those costs are expended over
a period of time rather than plunking down real money for a quality coach that
some good BB person sweat blood on. 2 cents more.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Wright
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on eBay


On 6/7/07, truitt44@... wrote:
>
> What happened to Tom is a good reason to require a non refundable, minumun
$1000.00
> dollar or 5% of the cost of the coach deposit, within 24 hrs. of close of
auction and
> balance and pickup due within 7 days. They would think long and hard before
walking
> away if they have something to loose. Just sounds like he got cold feet.
> Howard Truitt
> Camilla, Ga.
> 86 PT40

Agreed, Howard.

That said: If I were selling a coach or car on eBay, I'd add that the
"non-refundable" deposit would be refunded if the buyer finds the
vehicle significantly misrepresented. That gives buyers warm, fuzzy
feelings and is how I sold a custom sports car on the Internet a few
years ago. The biggest worry with a long distance transaction like
this is flying in on a one way ticket to pick it up and, oh, sorry,
forget to mention the significant frame rust, the brakes that don't
work and the paint that's falling off in the areas the seller
strategically avoided photographing.

So, a non-refundable deposit unless buyer finds significant
misrepresentation. Protects the seller from idiot buyers while not
limiting the market. Blanket non-refundable deposits will limit your
market; I'm an honest buyer with money to spend and I don't send such
deposits. I want assurances that when I uncover all of the problems
the seller "forgot" to mention in his ad, I can walk away with only my
transportation out of pocket. Of course if a seller is up front and
honest about everything, then I'll be driving it home and he has
nothing to worry about.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92, didn't send a deposit, our verbal agreement was as
good as a hand shake was as binding as a legal contract as far as this
man is concerned. Let your word be your word and your reputation will
speak for itself.
Tri-Cities, WA




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[Leroy Eckert]

I cannot say! That wasn't my post. However, I agree. Please see prior post for
info.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
-----Original Message -----
From: bubblerboy64
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on eBay


Truth be known I am rather impulsive so "fence sitter" sounds like a
compliment to me :-) Tell me how serious a guy is when he is
willing to travel hundreds of miles to "look"? JEH
>
> By the letter of the law I think you are absolutely correct. Had I
> bid on Tom's coach or any other for that matter on eBay I would
have
> e-mailed the owner with my terms. It's one thing to buy a small
item
> on eBay and take your chances but a motor home sight-un-seen based
> upon a couple pictures and the owners estimates of condition is
> expecting a real leap of faith. I do agree that the fellow should
> have factored in his need to get the coach to where ever. My gut
> feeling this is his excuse for not going thru with the purchase. He
> may have had any number of reasons and this is the one that he
> apparently got Tom to accept. Who knows. I would suspect as a
seller
> Tom can't be happy but the reality of eBay is this happens all the
> time. JEH
> >
> > So now Ebay contracts are binding with conditions. The seller has
> to figure a way to get it to CA.
> > The man should have paid you as per the contract or he shouldn't
> have bid on the property in the first place. If he needed a place
to
> store it temporarily, I imagine you would have charged a nominal
fee
> to do so.
> > There is not much integrity in the world today. My 2 cents fwiw.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Meservey
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on
> eBay
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > My 1981 33' coach is back on eBay. The "buy it now" bidder came
> and looked the coach over for three days, loved it; however there
are
> some serious logistics problems of getting it to California. He is
on
> a job in Hawaii and could not find an economical way of getting it
to
> CA. So it is back up for sale. Let's not let this honey sit the
> summer in the hot SC sun not being used. Thanks.
> >
> > Regards to the group.
> >
> > Tom Meservey, USN (Ret)
> > Ladson, SC
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo!
> Travel.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[bubblerboy64]

I think communication is the issue here. I have purchased three cars
and one motorcycle on eBay. Before I bid I informed the seller that
my bid if it was the winning bid had terms attached. The seller then
can reject the bid based on those terms or accept it. Would a fellow
bid on a $20,000 motor home or take a buy it now without terms? I
guess its possible but unlikely. I do agree that if the deal was
broken solely do to the reasons stated Tom has every reason to be
unhappy. But what's he going to do? Forget it and move on which seems
to be exactly what is happening. JEH
>
> Something is backwards here!
> I think all of Howard's suggestions should happen. Deposits,
contract execution and close the deal. After all the purchaser
willfully made a choice and in doing so took the mans asset off the
market for a period of time without compensation. Can I buy your home
that way? Let me hold it for awhile. Just because it happens on Ebay
in violation of contract law does not make it right.
> The argument of misrepresentation is subjective. The last time I
checked, Caveat Emptor has nothing to do with the seller. I imagine
any asset for sale on Ebay or anywhere else is available for pre-
purchase inspection by the potential purchaser or his/her agent prior
bidding and/or negotiating.
> So what does long distance travel have to do with the seller, his
price or anything else? If the purchaser wants the item put the
travel costs in the basis of the motorhome. If you don't purchase
that one summarize all the costs of looking for one and put that into
the price of the one you ultimately purchase. That is part of the
cost of purchasing one. Apparantly, it is less painful to run all
over creation looking for a "deal" because those costs are expended
over a period of time rather than plunking down real money for a
quality coach that some good BB person sweat blood on. 2 cents more.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan Wright
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge
back on eBay
>
>
> On 6/7/07, truitt44@... wrote:
> >
> > What happened to Tom is a good reason to require a non
refundable, minumun $1000.00
> > dollar or 5% of the cost of the coach deposit, within 24 hrs.
of close of auction and
> > balance and pickup due within 7 days. They would think long and
hard before walking
> > away if they have something to loose. Just sounds like he got
cold feet.
> > Howard Truitt
> > Camilla, Ga.
> > 86 PT40
>
> Agreed, Howard.
>
> That said: If I were selling a coach or car on eBay, I'd add that
the
> "non-refundable" deposit would be refunded if the buyer finds the
> vehicle significantly misrepresented. That gives buyers warm,
fuzzy
> feelings and is how I sold a custom sports car on the Internet a
few
> years ago. The biggest worry with a long distance transaction like
> this is flying in on a one way ticket to pick it up and, oh,
sorry,
> forget to mention the significant frame rust, the brakes that
don't
> work and the paint that's falling off in the areas the seller
> strategically avoided photographing.
>
> So, a non-refundable deposit unless buyer finds significant
> misrepresentation. Protects the seller from idiot buyers while not
> limiting the market. Blanket non-refundable deposits will limit
your
> market; I'm an honest buyer with money to spend and I don't send
such
> deposits. I want assurances that when I uncover all of the
problems
> the seller "forgot" to mention in his ad, I can walk away with
only my
> transportation out of pocket. Of course if a seller is up front
and
> honest about everything, then I'll be driving it home and he has
> nothing to worry about.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92, didn't send a deposit, our verbal agreement was as
> good as a hand shake was as binding as a legal contract as far as
this
> man is concerned. Let your word be your word and your reputation
will
> speak for itself.
> Tri-Cities, WA
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Like I said, the process is backwards. It is the Buyers responsibility to
examine the property before bidding.

Misrepresentation is subjective.

If the Seller chooses to except the bid subject to the Buyers terms that is the
Sellers decision and the risk is thereby transferred to the Seller. Me, I say
come have a look before you bid.

But what's he going to do? Forget it and move on? You are right! That was the
integrity part of the original post. Why throw good money after bad if you are
the Seller?

Now that we have concluded that Ebay contracts have no legal validity and there
is no penalty for breaching the contract perhaps we should change the definition
of Caveat Emptor??

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: bubblerboy64
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on eBay


I think communication is the issue here. I have purchased three cars
and one motorcycle on eBay. Before I bid I informed the seller that
my bid if it was the winning bid had terms attached. The seller then
can reject the bid based on those terms or accept it. Would a fellow
bid on a $20,000 motor home or take a buy it now without terms? I
guess its possible but unlikely. I do agree that if the deal was
broken solely do to the reasons stated Tom has every reason to be
unhappy. But what's he going to do? Forget it and move on which seems
to be exactly what is happening. JEH
>
> Something is backwards here!
> I think all of Howard's suggestions should happen. Deposits,
contract execution and close the deal. After all the purchaser
willfully made a choice and in doing so took the mans asset off the
market for a period of time without compensation. Can I buy your home
that way? Let me hold it for awhile. Just because it happens on Ebay
in violation of contract law does not make it right.
> The argument of misrepresentation is subjective. The last time I
checked, Caveat Emptor has nothing to do with the seller. I imagine
any asset for sale on Ebay or anywhere else is available for pre-
purchase inspection by the potential purchaser or his/her agent prior
bidding and/or negotiating.
> So what does long distance travel have to do with the seller, his
price or anything else? If the purchaser wants the item put the
travel costs in the basis of the motorhome. If you don't purchase
that one summarize all the costs of looking for one and put that into
the price of the one you ultimately purchase. That is part of the
cost of purchasing one. Apparantly, it is less painful to run all
over creation looking for a "deal" because those costs are expended
over a period of time rather than plunking down real money for a
quality coach that some good BB person sweat blood on. 2 cents more.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan Wright
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge
back on eBay
>
>
> On 6/7/07, truitt44@... wrote:
> >
> > What happened to Tom is a good reason to require a non
refundable, minumun $1000.00
> > dollar or 5% of the cost of the coach deposit, within 24 hrs.
of close of auction and
> > balance and pickup due within 7 days. They would think long and
hard before walking
> > away if they have something to loose. Just sounds like he got
cold feet.
> > Howard Truitt
> > Camilla, Ga.
> > 86 PT40
>
> Agreed, Howard.
>
> That said: If I were selling a coach or car on eBay, I'd add that
the
> "non-refundable" deposit would be refunded if the buyer finds the
> vehicle significantly misrepresented. That gives buyers warm,
fuzzy
> feelings and is how I sold a custom sports car on the Internet a
few
> years ago. The biggest worry with a long distance transaction like
> this is flying in on a one way ticket to pick it up and, oh,
sorry,
> forget to mention the significant frame rust, the brakes that
don't
> work and the paint that's falling off in the areas the seller
> strategically avoided photographing.
>
> So, a non-refundable deposit unless buyer finds significant
> misrepresentation. Protects the seller from idiot buyers while not
> limiting the market. Blanket non-refundable deposits will limit
your
> market; I'm an honest buyer with money to spend and I don't send
such
> deposits. I want assurances that when I uncover all of the
problems
> the seller "forgot" to mention in his ad, I can walk away with
only my
> transportation out of pocket. Of course if a seller is up front
and
> honest about everything, then I'll be driving it home and he has
> nothing to worry about.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92, didn't send a deposit, our verbal agreement was as
> good as a hand shake was as binding as a legal contract as far as
this
> man is concerned. Let your word be your word and your reputation
will
> speak for itself.
> Tri-Cities, WA
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[truitt44@...>]

Yes Ryan, but not being able to get it back to California is not a vehicle
problem either. Thats cold feet.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: "Ryan Wright"
> Date: 2007/06/07 Thu PM 06:19:25 EDT
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge back on eBay
>
> On 6/7/07, truitt44@... wrote:
> >
> > What happened to Tom is a good reason to require a non refundable, minumun
$1000.00
> > dollar or 5% of the cost of the coach deposit, within 24 hrs. of close of
auction and
> > balance and pickup due within 7 days. They would think long and hard before
walking
> > away if they have something to loose. Just sounds like he got cold feet.
> > Howard Truitt
> > Camilla, Ga.
> > 86 PT40
>
> Agreed, Howard.
>
> That said: If I were selling a coach or car on eBay, I'd add that the
> "non-refundable" deposit would be refunded if the buyer finds the
> vehicle significantly misrepresented. That gives buyers warm, fuzzy
> feelings and is how I sold a custom sports car on the Internet a few
> years ago. The biggest worry with a long distance transaction like
> this is flying in on a one way ticket to pick it up and, oh, sorry,
> forget to mention the significant frame rust, the brakes that don't
> work and the paint that's falling off in the areas the seller
> strategically avoided photographing.
>
> So, a non-refundable deposit unless buyer finds significant
> misrepresentation. Protects the seller from idiot buyers while not
> limiting the market. Blanket non-refundable deposits will limit your
> market; I'm an honest buyer with money to spend and I don't send such
> deposits. I want assurances that when I uncover all of the problems
> the seller "forgot" to mention in his ad, I can walk away with only my
> transportation out of pocket. Of course if a seller is up front and
> honest about everything, then I'll be driving it home and he has
> nothing to worry about.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92, didn't send a deposit, our verbal agreement was as
> good as a hand shake was as binding as a legal contract as far as this
> man is concerned. Let your word be your word and your reputation will
> speak for itself.
> Tri-Cities, WA
>
>

[jim riordan]

bubblerboy64,

Don't you have something else to do than go ON AND ON AND ON?

This forum is for helping WANDERLODGE OWNERS with issues they have with their
coaches.

Jim Riordan
88 WBWL XXV
Stuart, Fl.

bubblerboy64 wrote:
I think communication is the issue here. I have purchased three cars
and one motorcycle on eBay. Before I bid I informed the seller that
my bid if it was the winning bid had terms attached. The seller then
can reject the bid based on those terms or accept it. Would a fellow
bid on a $20,000 motor home or take a buy it now without terms? I
guess its possible but unlikely. I do agree that if the deal was
broken solely do to the reasons stated Tom has every reason to be
unhappy. But what's he going to do? Forget it and move on which seems
to be exactly what is happening. JEH
>
> Something is backwards here!
> I think all of Howard's suggestions should happen. Deposits,
contract execution and close the deal. After all the purchaser
willfully made a choice and in doing so took the mans asset off the
market for a period of time without compensation. Can I buy your home
that way? Let me hold it for awhile. Just because it happens on Ebay
in violation of contract law does not make it right.
> The argument of misrepresentation is subjective. The last time I
checked, Caveat Emptor has nothing to do with the seller. I imagine
any asset for sale on Ebay or anywhere else is available for pre-
purchase inspection by the potential purchaser or his/her agent prior
bidding and/or negotiating.
> So what does long distance travel have to do with the seller, his
price or anything else? If the purchaser wants the item put the
travel costs in the basis of the motorhome. If you don't purchase
that one summarize all the costs of looking for one and put that into
the price of the one you ultimately purchase. That is part of the
cost of purchasing one. Apparantly, it is less painful to run all
over creation looking for a "deal" because those costs are expended
over a period of time rather than plunking down real money for a
quality coach that some good BB person sweat blood on. 2 cents more.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan Wright
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 1981 Blue Bird Wanderlodge
back on eBay
>
>
> On 6/7/07, truitt44@... wrote:
> >
> > What happened to Tom is a good reason to require a non
refundable, minumun $1000.00
> > dollar or 5% of the cost of the coach deposit, within 24 hrs.
of close of auction and
> > balance and pickup due within 7 days. They would think long and
hard before walking
> > away if they have something to loose. Just sounds like he got
cold feet.
> > Howard Truitt
> > Camilla, Ga.
> > 86 PT40
>
> Agreed, Howard.
>
> That said: If I were selling a coach or car on eBay, I'd add that
the
> "non-refundable" deposit would be refunded if the buyer finds the
> vehicle significantly misrepresented. That gives buyers warm,
fuzzy
> feelings and is how I sold a custom sports car on the Internet a
few
> years ago. The biggest worry with a long distance transaction like
> this is flying in on a one way ticket to pick it up and, oh,
sorry,
> forget to mention the significant frame rust, the brakes that
don't
> work and the paint that's falling off in the areas the seller
> strategically avoided photographing.
>
> So, a non-refundable deposit unless buyer finds significant
> misrepresentation. Protects the seller from idiot buyers while not
> limiting the market. Blanket non-refundable deposits will limit
your
> market; I'm an honest buyer with money to spend and I don't send
such
> deposits. I want assurances that when I uncover all of the
problems
> the seller "forgot" to mention in his ad, I can walk away with
only my
> transportation out of pocket. Of course if a seller is up front
and
> honest about everything, then I'll be driving it home and he has
> nothing to worry about.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92, didn't send a deposit, our verbal agreement was as
> good as a hand shake was as binding as a legal contract as far as
this
> man is concerned. Let your word be your word and your reputation
will
> speak for itself.
> Tri-Cities, WA
>
>
>
>
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[Ryan Wright]

Summing up my comments from several replies:

Howard:

> Yes Ryan, but not being able to get it back to California is not a vehicle
problem either.
> Thats cold feet.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you. This "discussion" I've opened up has
nothing to do with Tom's coach, rather it's a general "deposit
discussion" spawned from the suggestion that Tom require a deposit to
protect himself. I think that's a good suggestion. Certainly the guy
who walked away from Tom's deal did so of his own accord and would
(and should) have lost any deposit.

The only reason I brought this up at all was to give Tom and anyone
else considering selling a coach a bit of "counter" to the
non-refundable deposit suggestion. It's a good idea and I would
require one if I were selling, but I also want buyers to know they can
get that back if they find big problems that I, for whatever reason,
missed.

Leroy:

> The argument of misrepresentation is subjective. The last time I checked,
Caveat Emptor
> has nothing to do with the seller. I imagine any asset for sale on Ebay or
anywhere else
> is available for pre-purchase inspection by the potential purchaser or his/her
agent prior
> bidding and/or negotiating.

Regardless, if you refuse to give buyers some "warm fuzzy feelings"
regarding that deposit, you are going to attract less buyers. As I
said, I don't send non-refundable deposits without a guarantee of
refund if item is significantly not as described. Of course that's
subjective; I'd have to convince the seller he screwed up real bad in
his listing to get the money back. If the seller is intentionally
misrepresenting, he'll just keep the deposit anyway.

That said, sellers who are willing to offer such guarantees generally
wind up being solid, upstanding people with nothing to hide. Folks who
are knowingly misrepresenting will stand strong on their
non-refundable policy. When I call people up and they refuse to
cooperate in this minor detail, that tells me I'm completely on my own
and will get no support or cooperation on other matters, either. I
don't make blind, long distance agreements to buy expensive things
from people like that - ever.

Yes, I realize there are many good, honest people who will still stand
strong on this policy. That's fine. It means they miss out on some
potential buyers and I miss out on some potential purchases. That's a
price I'm willing to pay to save a couple grand per "inspection" on
flights and non-refundable deposits.

JEH:

> Before I bid I informed the seller that my bid if it was the winning bid had
terms attached.

Yes, that's the way it has to go. You can't ask for such
considerations after you win. Personally, if I'm serious about a
vehicle on a place like eBay, I call the seller and have a discussion
before I place any bids.

-Ryan