Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?

[Troy Tikalsky]

I have the Jake on my 8V92TA and it does help slow the coach some. A person
standing will not stumble because of the sudden decrease in speed but as the
transmission downshifts it becomes more noticeable. Descending Mount Eagle in TN
it was very helpful controlling the speed, I used the brakes 2 times, first at
the crest to bring the speed down to 50 and the second time was near the bottom,
3 gear at 50-55 MPH.

With the exhaust 40 feet behind me and facing rearward the rumble is not very
noticeable unless there is something for the sound to bounce off.

Wonder if it made more noise if the mind would think it is working better?

Troy Tikalsky
Waconia, MN
1986 Newell

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?


Opinions vary, but one (non BB) 8V92 w/Jake owner I know (he reads here but
doesn't post) says he could get about the same amount of slowdown by putting his
hand out of the window into the breeze.

Compression brakes on a 4 stroke like the Series 60 make a huge difference,
but on an 8V92 every stroke is already a compression stroke, so all you can do
is increase the time under compression.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

On 6/26/2007 at 2:26 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
>8v92TAC
>Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
>Leroy Eckert
>1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Benjamin Edge
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
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> Hi,
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> How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on your
>Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89 6V-92TA),
>Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?





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[Leroy Eckert]

Thank you. It gave me heartburn when I found out the price.

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors'
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: bloomas
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: Fw: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?



----- Original Message -----
From: "robertnloomas"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:

Leroy I think this is the site you are looking for.

http://www.jakebrake.com/products/applic...ufact\
urer=Detroit

Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

Bob, do you know a site I can go to to get info and approx cost?
Thanks,
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: bloomas
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?

----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?
The anser to your question is yes.One can be installed it wont be
cheap.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

I wish. Do you know if I can install one?
8v92TAC
Allison HT-755CR with Retarder
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Edge
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?

Hi,

How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes on
your Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-
89 6V-92TA), Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-
92TA)?

Jake Brake is the trademark of Jacobs Vehicle Systems for
compression-release engine brakes. Its initial development was
started in 1931 by Clessie Cummins (the founder of Cummins Engine
Co.), and handed down to his nephew Don Cummins, son of Clessie's
brother Deloss. The elder Cummins was looking for a way to bring his
heavy-duty diesel trucks to a stop without excessive engine wear. 30
years on, the official Jake Brake compression-release engine brake
entered production.

Jake Brakes make a machine gun sound (roughly: RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT)
as you apply them. Its loudness depends on the exhaust system type
and how well it is maintained. It was this aspect that caused many
cities to ban the use of Jake Brakes in certain parts of the town.
But not all Jake Brakes sound like this, though. The RAT-A-TAT-TAT-
TAT sound would refer to the compression-release Jakes, not the
exhaust ones.

~Ben

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[brad barton]

I agree. Had a Newell w/ 8V92 but the Jake brake was better than nothing. The
3-stage Jake on my LXi automatically downshifts to 4th.Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...


To: WanderlodgeForum@...: bloomas@...: Tue, 26 Jun
2007 16:50:04 -0500Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake
Brakes?




----- Original Message ----- From: Don Bradner To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:54 PMSubject:
Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?Don You are right
opinions very.I would not be with out mine.Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36Opinions vary,
but one (non BB) 8V92 w/Jake owner I know (he reads here but doesn't post) says
he could get about the same amount of slowdown by putting his hand out of the
window into the breeze.Compression brakes on a 4 stroke like the Series 60 make
a huge difference, but on an 8V92 every stroke is already a compression stroke,
so all you can do is increase the time under compression.Don Bradner90 PT40
"Blue Thunder"Eureka, CAOn 6/26/2007 at 2:26 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:>I wish. Do
you know if I can install one?>8v92TAC>Allison HT-755CR with Retarder>Leroy
Eckert>1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors">Niceville, FL> ----- Original Message ----- >
From: Benjamin Edge > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June
26, 2007 1:25 PM> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake
Brakes?>>> Hi,>> How many of you Wanderlodge PT and WB owners have Jake Brakes
on your>Detroit Diesel Silver 330 (1982-84 6V-92TA), Silver 350 (1985-89
6V-92TA),>Silver 475 (1986-89 8V-92TA) or Silver 500 (1990-95 8V-92TA)?[Non-text
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[Curt Sprenger]

Leroy,
What was the price? Thanks.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.



Leroy Eckert wrote:

> Thank you. It gave me heartburn when I found out the price.
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[Leroy Eckert]

The rough estimate for the valve train retrofit was $10,000. I am getting
another estimate from a local shop. I'll let you know when I get that one.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Curt Sprenger
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?


Leroy,
What was the price? Thanks.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.

Leroy Eckert wrote:

> Thank you. It gave me heartburn when I found out the price.
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[snowbirdtogo]

Larry,
I had Western Branch Diesel install my Jacob's engine brake (6V92),
$6,300.
Roy Anderson
1986 PT-40 6V92
Springfield VA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> The rough estimate for the valve train retrofit was $10,000. I am
getting another estimate from a local shop. I'll let you know when I
get that one.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Curt Sprenger
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake
Brakes?
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> Leroy,
> What was the price? Thanks.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, Calif.
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[Leroy Eckert]

Thank you. I am waiting for a bid from TransDiesel of Florida and a local shop.
I'll see how they come in.
How well does it work?
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: snowbirdtogo
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?


Larry,
I had Western Branch Diesel install my Jacob's engine brake (6V92),
$6,300.
Roy Anderson
1986 PT-40 6V92
Springfield VA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> The rough estimate for the valve train retrofit was $10,000. I am
getting another estimate from a local shop. I'll let you know when I
get that one.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Curt Sprenger
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake
Brakes?
>
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> Leroy,
> What was the price? Thanks.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
> Leroy Eckert wrote:
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[snowbirdtogo]

Larry,
The engine brake works fine once I got accustomed to keeping the
RPMs above 1,500. It wont leave any tire marks when engaged but I
had the coach down many steep grades out West where I would have had
to stop to cool down the trans/retarder. Eisenhower and Vail passes
had some of the longest downgrades but I only had to put a little
retarder every couple miles to keep speeds comfortable. Also just
exiting interstate highways using retarder and "Jake brake"
eliminated using foot brake till a short distance before light/stop
sign. I would expect your 8V92 would perform noticeably better with
two more cylinders pumping.

Roy Anderson
1986 PT-40 6V92
Springfield VA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Thank you. I am waiting for a bid from TransDiesel of Florida and a
local shop. I'll see how they come in.
> How well does it work?
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: snowbirdtogo
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:42 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake
Brakes?
>
>
> Larry,
> I had Western Branch Diesel install my Jacob's engine brake
(6V92),
> $6,300.
> Roy Anderson
> 1986 PT-40 6V92
> Springfield VA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> > The rough estimate for the valve train retrofit was $10,000. I
am
> getting another estimate from a local shop. I'll let you know
when I
> get that one.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Curt Sprenger
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake
> Brakes?
> >
> >
> > Leroy,
> > What was the price? Thanks.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger
> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > Anaheim Hills, Calif.
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> > Leroy Eckert wrote:
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[Leroy Eckert]

Thanks again for the reply. For those who asked I received my bid from
Transdiesel today. $9,300 to install a Jake brake on my 8v92 DDEC II, parts and
labor. Parts are $5,300. It requires a valve cover change and reprogramming the
ECM amoung other things. It isn't something that I care to try myself.
I've been doing fine as is.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: snowbirdtogo
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake Brakes?


Larry,
I had Western Branch Diesel install my Jacob's engine brake (6V92),
$6,300.
Roy Anderson
1986 PT-40 6V92
Springfield VA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> The rough estimate for the valve train retrofit was $10,000. I am
getting another estimate from a local shop. I'll let you know when I
get that one.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Curt Sprenger
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Any 'Lodge PT/WBs with Jake
Brakes?
>
>
> Leroy,
> What was the price? Thanks.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
> Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> > Thank you. It gave me heartburn when I found out the price.
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