Winter & electric heaters

[Ryan Wright]

Thanks folks for all of the replies to my winter living questions.
I'll post some follow-ups in that thread, but I wanted to start a new
one on the electric heaters.

My coach has the Fasco model 2450 toe heaters. All three of 'em are
shot as far as I'm concerned. They produce heat but the blowers are
weak and very noisy. Lots of buzzing and very little air movement. I'd
like to replace all three, but I'm not finding them for sale. In other
brands, I'm not finding anything with 2000 watts @ 120 volt like
these.

Are these still for sale anywhere, or is there a cross reference? The
PerfectToe heaters mentioned might work, but they're half the wattage
and smaller in size so I'd have to rig up some framing and that
doesn't sound like fun.

Thanks for any advice! At least my propane heaters all work fine, so I
won't be SOL if I don't get these electrics replaced, but I'd rather
not be driving out to buy propane every week if I can help it.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92
Tri-Cities, WA

[erniecarpet@...]

Ryan, those heaters have a screw on them that allow for a thermostat change.
That might enable them to run longer.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt




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[Curt Sprenger]

Ryan,

I'd pull out one of the electric heaters and fiddle with it. You might find
they can be brought back to life. Keep in mind that they do not put out high
air flow, actually a slight air flow seems about right. Others that have
fiddeled with these heaters will chime in. Good luck.

On 8/19/07, Ryan Wright wrote:
>
> Thanks folks for all of the replies to my winter living questions.
> I'll post some follow-ups in that thread, but I wanted to start a new
> one on the electric heaters.
>
> My coach has the Fasco model 2450 toe heaters. All three of 'em are
> shot as far as I'm concerned. They produce heat but the blowers are
> weak and very noisy. Lots of buzzing and very little air movement. I'd
> like to replace all three, but I'm not finding them for sale. In other
> brands, I'm not finding anything with 2000 watts @ 120 volt like
> these.
>
> Are these still for sale anywhere, or is there a cross reference? The
> PerfectToe heaters mentioned might work, but they're half the wattage
> and smaller in size so I'd have to rig up some framing and that
> doesn't sound like fun.
>
> Thanks for any advice! At least my propane heaters all work fine, so I
> won't be SOL if I don't get these electrics replaced, but I'd rather
> not be driving out to buy propane every week if I can help it.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
> Tri-Cities, WA
>
>



--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA


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[Pete Masterson]

When I was researching the toe heaters, I only found the Perfect Toe
and (I memory isn't that clear) perhaps another brand with very
similar specs. I didn't see any as high as 2000 watts.

I can say that the 1000 watts from the Perfect Toe was able to
provide plenty of heat on cool mornings, even in very cool
temperatures (20s and 30s). The volume of air moving is quite
evident. (Our cat likes to sit across from it when it's on.) While we
also have the AquaHot for heat, when in an RV park we prefer to
maximize use of electricity instead of the diesel used for the
AquaHot. At worst, we'd run the AquaHot, to bring up the temperature
of the forward area, then shut it off leaving the single Perfect Toe
under the galley to maintain the temperature -- which it did
reasonably well.

I will say that the fan in the Perfect Toe is noticeable -- it's a
miniature squirrel cage -- and there's plenty of "whooshing" noise
when it is running. (Then, again, the AquaHot unit fan under the
kitchen (next to the Perfect Toe) is pretty noisy, too...)

I'll note that I've not seen many 120 vac electric heaters of any
type much above 1500-1600 watts. Higher wattage units tend to be 230
vac.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Aug 19, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Ryan Wright wrote:

> Thanks folks for all of the replies to my winter living questions.
> I'll post some follow-ups in that thread, but I wanted to start a new
> one on the electric heaters.
>
> My coach has the Fasco model 2450 toe heaters. All three of 'em are
> shot as far as I'm concerned. They produce heat but the blowers are
> weak and very noisy. Lots of buzzing and very little air movement. I'd
> like to replace all three, but I'm not finding them for sale. In other
> brands, I'm not finding anything with 2000 watts @ 120 volt like
> these.
>
> Are these still for sale anywhere, or is there a cross reference? The
> PerfectToe heaters mentioned might work, but they're half the wattage
> and smaller in size so I'd have to rig up some framing and that
> doesn't sound like fun.
>
> Thanks for any advice! At least my propane heaters all work fine, so I
> won't be SOL if I don't get these electrics replaced, but I'd rather
> not be driving out to buy propane every week if I can help it.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
> Tri-Cities, WA
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[bloomas]

----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Masterson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Winter & electric heaters
----- Original Message -----
Grainger have about any toe heater or wall heater
that you will need
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36



When I was researching the toe heaters, I only found the Perfect Toe
and (I memory isn't that clear) perhaps another brand with very
similar specs. I didn't see any as high as 2000 watts.

I can say that the 1000 watts from the Perfect Toe was able to
provide plenty of heat on cool mornings, even in very cool
temperatures (20s and 30s). The volume of air moving is quite
evident. (Our cat likes to sit across from it when it's on.) While we
also have the AquaHot for heat, when in an RV park we prefer to
maximize use of electricity instead of the diesel used for the
AquaHot. At worst, we'd run the AquaHot, to bring up the temperature
of the forward area, then shut it off leaving the single Perfect Toe
under the galley to maintain the temperature -- which it did
reasonably well.

I will say that the fan in the Perfect Toe is noticeable -- it's a
miniature squirrel cage -- and there's plenty of "whooshing" noise
when it is running. (Then, again, the AquaHot unit fan under the
kitchen (next to the Perfect Toe) is pretty noisy, too...)

I'll note that I've not seen many 120 vac electric heaters of any
type much above 1500-1600 watts. Higher wattage units tend to be 230
vac.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...

On Aug 19, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Ryan Wright wrote:

> Thanks folks for all of the replies to my winter living questions.
> I'll post some follow-ups in that thread, but I wanted to start a new
> one on the electric heaters.
>
> My coach has the Fasco model 2450 toe heaters. All three of 'em are
> shot as far as I'm concerned. They produce heat but the blowers are
> weak and very noisy. Lots of buzzing and very little air movement. I'd
> like to replace all three, but I'm not finding them for sale. In other
> brands, I'm not finding anything with 2000 watts @ 120 volt like
> these.
>
> Are these still for sale anywhere, or is there a cross reference? The
> PerfectToe heaters mentioned might work, but they're half the wattage
> and smaller in size so I'd have to rig up some framing and that
> doesn't sound like fun.
>
> Thanks for any advice! At least my propane heaters all work fine, so I
> won't be SOL if I don't get these electrics replaced, but I'd rather
> not be driving out to buy propane every week if I can help it.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
> Tri-Cities, WA
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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[Ryan Wright]

Thanks for the replies, folks. I dug into the heaters and the heating
elements & fans are actually working fine now that they've been
vacuumed out. The thermostats on two of them are flaky, though. I'm
going to see about bypassing the cheap, built in thermostats with a
relay and putting together a zoned HVAC control system where I can use
setpoints, etc from a proper thermostat.

It does look like these are it as far as high wattage heaters go.
These aren't made anymore and nobody else makes 120 volt heaters
anywhere near 2000w, not that I can find, anyway. So, for those of us
with the eighties coaches, take care of these heaters, because when
you have to replace 'em you're going to lose 500-1000 watts of heating
potential per heater.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92
Tri-Cities, WA

On 8/19/07, Curt Sprenger wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I'd pull out one of the electric heaters and fiddle with it. You might find
> they can be brought back to life. Keep in mind that they do not put out high
> air flow, actually a slight air flow seems about right. Others that have
> fiddeled with these heaters will chime in. Good luck.
>