Was Toads-Internet Security

[Leroy Eckert]

What I find very interesting after completing 85 hours of CPE this week is this.
There are numerous rules and regulations about confidential client
relationships, independence, objectivity, and integrity, etc, and not one
reference in any document or course regarding cell phone use and discussions
conducted thereon. In this day and age, everyone has one. Just yesterday I had a
conversation with my Attorney on the cell phone. Anyone with a scanner can
listen to a cell phone conversation. Go figure.
Nothing like being behind the power curve.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Royale Conversion

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Toads


As far as security goes, satellite is one of the most secure that exists,
during the satellite transmission portion. Of course it comes back to ground and
goes out on the public internet where it is the same security as any wired
connection, ranging from insecure to very secure, depending on protocol. Next
generation satellite (bird launched August 14th) will allow companies to have
office-to-office direct satellite without a ground component, and companies are
reportedly lined up for that one purely for security reasons. Not likely to be
much used that way for mobile users.

That does not mean that security of WiFi is a big issue for people working
with sensitive material, even though WiFi itself is the least secure carrier.
Put SSL encryption on at the client computer and it remains essentially
unbreakable no matter what the carrier is, all the way to the receiving https
server. Corporate users are often required to use VPN tunnelling, which provides
equal protection, even when using a WiFi in a coffee shop.

On 8/27/2007 at 10:24 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>Don, Ernie, Travis(with Newell) Mike and Pete. Hope I didn't miss anyone.
>Thanks for the input. I would like to talk about this more off line of
>course. For now, I appreciate the input and will move forward. As usual
>the Forum is a great resource for knowledge, not just BB stuff. Wireless,
>whether it be WiFi of Satellite may be iffy for what I would like to do
>because of confidentiality requirements between a CPA and the client.
>Mike. Key West is great in the Winter. If you folks go that way be sure to
>stop in a Sunset King Lake Resort, DeFuniak Spring, FL on the way. It is 3
>miles N of I-10. It is a 5 star family resort. When in Key West be sure to
>visit the Hogs Breath Saloon," Hogs Breath is Better than no Breath at
>All". The Founder, a friend of mine is now gone but the widow is carrying
>on. It is a great place to have fun .
>Regarding the rest of the story on page two, Ernie, it was said in the
>Military many times, "get your $%$* together, if you cannot pick it up
>push forward and keep it in front of you. lol. Thanks again for the help.
>Back to BB's
>I would appreciate input for wireless communication at jwasnewski@....
>when anyone has time.
>And Don, I have my password somewhere for Datastormusers.com somewhere. I
>think it is in my maintence folder. Over and out.
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL





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[Richard Hayden]

When I was working our atty. would terminate any conversation that got the least
bit proprietary if either party was on a cel phone - period. He would become
most disturbed if you didn't inform him you were using a cel. I suppose that
all attorneys are not that anal.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Was Toads-Internet Security


What I find very interesting after completing 85 hours of CPE this week is
this. There are numerous rules and regulations about confidential client
relationships, independence, objectivity, and integrity, etc, and not one
reference in any document or course regarding cell phone use and discussions
conducted thereon. In this day and age, everyone has one. Just yesterday I had a
conversation with my Attorney on the cell phone. Anyone with a scanner can
listen to a cell phone conversation. Go figure.
Nothing like being behind the power curve.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Royale Conversion

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Toads

As far as security goes, satellite is one of the most secure that exists,
during the satellite transmission portion. Of course it comes back to ground and
goes out on the public internet where it is the same security as any wired
connection, ranging from insecure to very secure, depending on protocol. Next
generation satellite (bird launched August 14th) will allow companies to have
office-to-office direct satellite without a ground component, and companies are
reportedly lined up for that one purely for security reasons. Not likely to be
much used that way for mobile users.

That does not mean that security of WiFi is a big issue for people working
with sensitive material, even though WiFi itself is the least secure carrier.
Put SSL encryption on at the client computer and it remains essentially
unbreakable no matter what the carrier is, all the way to the receiving https
server. Corporate users are often required to use VPN tunnelling, which provides
equal protection, even when using a WiFi in a coffee shop.

On 8/27/2007 at 10:24 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>Don, Ernie, Travis(with Newell) Mike and Pete. Hope I didn't miss anyone.
>Thanks for the input. I would like to talk about this more off line of
>course. For now, I appreciate the input and will move forward. As usual
>the Forum is a great resource for knowledge, not just BB stuff. Wireless,
>whether it be WiFi of Satellite may be iffy for what I would like to do
>because of confidentiality requirements between a CPA and the client.
>Mike. Key West is great in the Winter. If you folks go that way be sure to
>stop in a Sunset King Lake Resort, DeFuniak Spring, FL on the way. It is 3
>miles N of I-10. It is a 5 star family resort. When in Key West be sure to
>visit the Hogs Breath Saloon," Hogs Breath is Better than no Breath at
>All". The Founder, a friend of mine is now gone but the widow is carrying
>on. It is a great place to have fun .
>Regarding the rest of the story on page two, Ernie, it was said in the
>Military many times, "get your $%$* together, if you cannot pick it up
>push forward and keep it in front of you. lol. Thanks again for the help.
>Back to BB's
>I would appreciate input for wireless communication at
jwasnewski@....
>when anyone has time.
>And Don, I have my password somewhere for Datastormusers.com somewhere. I
>think it is in my maintence folder. Over and out.
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL

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[Gregory OConnor]

Dick, Law is an art, the artist concern may just be the billable
hours.

I wonder if WiFi areas could be info gathering sites for crooks that
impose the hot area providership or hyjack the wifi offer at a
Campground, library, court house, ect???? Sat sounds the most secure

My ID was stolen and the guy was locked up until he could prove he
wasnt me.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
wrote:
>
> When I was working our atty. would terminate any conversation that
got the least bit proprietary if either party was on a cel phone -
period. He would become most disturbed if you didn't inform him you
were using a cel. I suppose that all attorneys are not that anal.
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leroy Eckert
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:01 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Was Toads-Internet Security
>
>
> What I find very interesting after completing 85 hours of CPE
this week is this. There are numerous rules and regulations about
confidential client relationships, independence, objectivity, and
integrity, etc, and not one reference in any document or course
regarding cell phone use and discussions conducted thereon. In this
day and age, everyone has one. Just yesterday I had a conversation
with my Attorney on the cell phone. Anyone with a scanner can listen
to a cell phone conversation. Go figure.
> Nothing like being behind the power curve.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Royale Conversion
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Toads
>
> As far as security goes, satellite is one of the most secure that
exists, during the satellite transmission portion. Of course it comes
back to ground and goes out on the public internet where it is the
same security as any wired connection, ranging from insecure to very
secure, depending on protocol. Next generation satellite (bird
launched August 14th) will allow companies to have office-to-office
direct satellite without a ground component, and companies are
reportedly lined up for that one purely for security reasons. Not
likely to be much used that way for mobile users.
>
> That does not mean that security of WiFi is a big issue for
people working with sensitive material, even though WiFi itself is
the least secure carrier. Put SSL encryption on at the client
computer and it remains essentially unbreakable no matter what the
carrier is, all the way to the receiving https server. Corporate
users are often required to use VPN tunnelling, which provides equal
protection, even when using a WiFi in a coffee shop.
>
> On 8/27/2007 at 10:24 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> >Don, Ernie, Travis(with Newell) Mike and Pete. Hope I didn't
miss anyone.
> >Thanks for the input. I would like to talk about this more off
line of
> >course. For now, I appreciate the input and will move forward.
As usual
> >the Forum is a great resource for knowledge, not just BB stuff.
Wireless,
> >whether it be WiFi of Satellite may be iffy for what I would
like to do
> >because of confidentiality requirements between a CPA and the
client.
> >Mike. Key West is great in the Winter. If you folks go that way
be sure to
> >stop in a Sunset King Lake Resort, DeFuniak Spring, FL on the
way. It is 3
> >miles N of I-10. It is a 5 star family resort. When in Key West
be sure to
> >visit the Hogs Breath Saloon," Hogs Breath is Better than no
Breath at
> >All". The Founder, a friend of mine is now gone but the widow is
carrying
> >on. It is a great place to have fun .
> >Regarding the rest of the story on page two, Ernie, it was said
in the
> >Military many times, "get your $%$* together, if you cannot pick
it up
> >push forward and keep it in front of you. lol. Thanks again for
the help.
> >Back to BB's
> >I would appreciate input for wireless communication at
jwasnewski@....
> >when anyone has time.
> >And Don, I have my password somewhere for Datastormusers.com
somewhere. I
> >think it is in my maintence folder. Over and out.
> >Leroy Eckert
> >1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> >Niceville, FL
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Travis Martin]

I don't suppose you can be too careful, but I would mention that what
we call cell phones haven't been for several years. The old analog
cellular technology is almost completely obsolete; Sprint, Verizon,
etc all use digitally encoded spread-spectrum frequency hopping
technology that is extremely difficult to intercept. They went to it
not so much for security as for increasing efficiency many
fold...that's why cell phones are so cheap now that every junior high
kid has one. But I wouldn't begin to tell you what your level of
comfort should be.

There are also some extremely good data encryption packages out there
that you might look in to...PGP (pretty good privacy) comes to mind.
I've never had to concern myself with it since nothing I'm doing is
particularly sensitive.

Travis (the Newell guy...but I was looking hard at the 86 PT40 that
Ryan got; great coach...love them cruisairs!)




On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:44 AM, Richard Hayden wrote:

> When I was working our atty. would terminate any conversation that
> got the least bit proprietary if either party was on a cel phone -
> period. He would become most disturbed if you didn't inform him you
> were using a cel. I suppose that all attorneys are not that anal.
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leroy Eckert
> To:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > s.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:01 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Was Toads-Internet Security
>
> What I find very interesting after completing 85 hours of CPE this
> week is this. There are numerous rules and regulations about
> confidential client relationships, independence, objectivity, and
> integrity, etc, and not one reference in any document or course
> regarding cell phone use and discussions conducted thereon. In this
> day and age, everyone has one. Just yesterday I had a conversation
> with my Attorney on the cell phone. Anyone with a scanner can
> listen to a cell phone conversation. Go figure.
> Nothing like being behind the power curve.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Royale Conversion
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > s.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Toads
>
> As far as security goes, satellite is one of the most secure that
> exists, during the satellite transmission portion. Of course it
> comes back to ground and goes out on the public internet where it
> is the same security as any wired connection, ranging from insecure
> to very secure, depending on protocol. Next generation satellite
> (bird launched August 14th) will allow companies to have office-to-
> office direct satellite without a ground component, and companies
> are reportedly lined up for that one purely for security reasons.
> Not likely to be much used that way for mobile users.
>
> That does not mean that security of WiFi is a big issue for people
> working with sensitive material, even though WiFi itself is the
> least secure carrier. Put SSL encryption on at the client computer
> and it remains essentially unbreakable no matter what the carrier
> is, all the way to the receiving https server. Corporate users are
> often required to use VPN tunnelling, which provides equal
> protection, even when using a WiFi in a coffee shop.
>
> On 8/27/2007 at 10:24 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> >Don, Ernie, Travis(with Newell) Mike and Pete. Hope I didn't miss
> anyone.
> >Thanks for the input. I would like to talk about this more off
> line of
> >course. For now, I appreciate the input and will move forward. As
> usual
> >the Forum is a great resource for knowledge, not just BB stuff.
> Wireless,
> >whether it be WiFi of Satellite may be iffy for what I would like
> to do
> >because of confidentiality requirements between a CPA and the client.
> >Mike. Key West is great in the Winter. If you folks go that way be
> sure to
> >stop in a Sunset King Lake Resort, DeFuniak Spring, FL on the way.
> It is 3
> >miles N of I-10. It is a 5 star family resort. When in Key West be
> sure to
> >visit the Hogs Breath Saloon," Hogs Breath is Better than no
> Breath at
> >All". The Founder, a friend of mine is now gone but the widow is
> carrying
> >on. It is a great place to have fun .
> >Regarding the rest of the story on page two, Ernie, it was said in
> the
> >Military many times, "get your $%$* together, if you cannot pick
> it up
> >push forward and keep it in front of you. lol. Thanks again for
> the help.
> >Back to BB's
> >I would appreciate input for wireless communication
> atjwasnewski@....
> >when anyone has time.
> >And Don, I have my password somewhere for Datastormusers.com
> somewhere. I
> >think it is in my maintence folder. Over and out.
> >Leroy Eckert
> >1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> >Niceville, FL
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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[Rob Robinson]

So Greg someone stole your ID and got locked up until they could prove they
weren't you. You gotta love it. Poor guy. It's a wonder they didn't throw
away the key. VBG

On 28/08/07, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> Dick, Law is an art, the artist concern may just be the billable
> hours.
>
> I wonder if WiFi areas could be info gathering sites for crooks that
> impose the hot area providership or hyjack the wifi offer at a
> Campground, library, court house, ect???? Sat sounds the most secure
>
> My ID was stolen and the guy was locked up until he could prove he
> wasnt me.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Richard Hayden"
> wrote:
> >
> > When I was working our atty. would terminate any conversation that
> got the least bit proprietary if either party was on a cel phone -
> period. He would become most disturbed if you didn't inform him you
> were using a cel. I suppose that all attorneys are not that anal.
> >
> > Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Leroy Eckert
> > To:
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> om>
> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:01 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Was Toads-Internet Security
> >
> >
> > What I find very interesting after completing 85 hours of CPE
> this week is this. There are numerous rules and regulations about
> confidential client relationships, independence, objectivity, and
> integrity, etc, and not one reference in any document or course
> regarding cell phone use and discussions conducted thereon. In this
> day and age, everyone has one. Just yesterday I had a conversation
> with my Attorney on the cell phone. Anyone with a scanner can listen
> to a cell phone conversation. Go figure.
> > Nothing like being behind the power curve.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Royale Conversion
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Bradner
> > To:
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> om>
> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Toads
> >
> > As far as security goes, satellite is one of the most secure that
> exists, during the satellite transmission portion. Of course it comes
> back to ground and goes out on the public internet where it is the
> same security as any wired connection, ranging from insecure to very
> secure, depending on protocol. Next generation satellite (bird
> launched August 14th) will allow companies to have office-to-office
> direct satellite without a ground component, and companies are
> reportedly lined up for that one purely for security reasons. Not
> likely to be much used that way for mobile users.
> >
> > That does not mean that security of WiFi is a big issue for
> people working with sensitive material, even though WiFi itself is
> the least secure carrier. Put SSL encryption on at the client
> computer and it remains essentially unbreakable no matter what the
> carrier is, all the way to the receiving https server. Corporate
> users are often required to use VPN tunnelling, which provides equal
> protection, even when using a WiFi in a coffee shop.
> >
> > On 8/27/2007 at 10:24 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:
> >
> > >Don, Ernie, Travis(with Newell) Mike and Pete. Hope I didn't
> miss anyone.
> > >Thanks for the input. I would like to talk about this more off
> line of
> > >course. For now, I appreciate the input and will move forward.
> As usual
> > >the Forum is a great resource for knowledge, not just BB stuff.
> Wireless,
> > >whether it be WiFi of Satellite may be iffy for what I would
> like to do
> > >because of confidentiality requirements between a CPA and the
> client.
> > >Mike. Key West is great in the Winter. If you folks go that way
> be sure to
> > >stop in a Sunset King Lake Resort, DeFuniak Spring, FL on the
> way. It is 3
> > >miles N of I-10. It is a 5 star family resort. When in Key West
> be sure to
> > >visit the Hogs Breath Saloon," Hogs Breath is Better than no
> Breath at
> > >All". The Founder, a friend of mine is now gone but the widow is
> carrying
> > >on. It is a great place to have fun .
> > >Regarding the rest of the story on page two, Ernie, it was said
> in the
> > >Military many times, "get your $%$* together, if you cannot pick
> it up
> > >push forward and keep it in front of you. lol. Thanks again for
> the help.
> > >Back to BB's
> > >I would appreciate input for wireless communication at
> jwasnewski@....
> > >when anyone has time.
> > >And Don, I have my password somewhere for Datastormusers.com
> somewhere. I
> > >think it is in my maintence folder. Over and out.
> > >Leroy Eckert
> > >1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > >Niceville, FL
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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[Ryan Wright]

Travis,

> Travis (the Newell guy...but I was looking hard at the 86 PT40 that
> Ryan got; great coach...love them cruisairs!)

Glad you didn't look too hard. ;-) I love the coach.

However, if I ever decide to sell it, I'll look you up.

-Ryan

[Ryan Wright]

Just got to reading the original thread that spawned this one and had
to comment.

Travis: I hate to be a thorn in your side, but WEP is in no way
secure. I can hack your wireless WEP-protected connection with just a
few minutes' worth of work. It is truly trivial to break.

WPA is the current security standard for 802.11 communications and is
fairly robust (so far; give it time and it, too, will be cracked).

-Ryan

On 8/27/07, Travis Martin wrote:
> It provides
> for WEP secure connections so should satisfy your needs there. I'm
> sure that NSA could hack it but most casual users will find it
> impenetrable.

[Don Bradner]

Out of curiousity: What is the fastest you have ever cracked 104-bit WEP on a
network you don't control? (in other words, one where you have no mechanism to
speed up packet rate)

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

On 8/30/2007 at 2:08 PM Ryan Wright wrote:

>Just got to reading the original thread that spawned this one and had
>to comment.
>
>Travis: I hate to be a thorn in your side, but WEP is in no way
>secure. I can hack your wireless WEP-protected connection with just a
>few minutes' worth of work. It is truly trivial to break.