oil type for 8v 92

[mbulriss]

Rob,

My comment was in response to the post that said:
> > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella or
Delo.

My point is not ALL Detroits should use 40wt only (only 2 cycles).
And according to Detroit, SOME should use 15-40 (the four cycles).

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
wrote:
>
> My comment was in reference to Mr Rahn email with a signature of
88PT 40. I
> do believe all 88PT 40 require straight 40wt oil.
>
> On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ummmm, oil..... always a controversial topic.
> >
> > Just so we don't sow incorrect information for new users, I believe
> > what you meant to say was that Detroit Two-Stroke Diesels (series 53,
> > 71, 92, 149) are recommended by DD official publications to use
> > monograde (40 or 50 weight) oils above freezing temps.
> >
> > Four Stroke Detroits are not recommended to use monograde oils per the
> > Detroit Diesel publication on ENGINE REQUIREMENTS — LUBRICATING OIL,
> > FUEL AND FILTERS:
> >
> > 2.1.5 MONOGRADE OILS
> > Monograde oils, irrespective of API service category, should not be
> > used in on-road applications in any DDC 4-stroke engines or in
> > off-road applications in Series 40E, 50, 60, MBE 900 and
> > MBE 4000 engines.
> >
> > At least that's they way I read their literature.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX - using Amsoil 15w-40 Heavy Duty Synthetic Diesel and
> > Marine Oil and not using any or slinging any
> >
> > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > PM7088@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella
or Delo.
> > >
> > > YMMV, check with manufactor's site.
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "Robert & Teri Rahn"
> > > It has been a couple years since I have changed the oil in our bus
> > > since we havnt been using it much. I forgot what type and how
much oil
> > > to buy. Seems like it was 8 gallons of chevron delo. Wal mart has a
> > > cheap fully synthetic oil, it is 12 dollars a gallon, does it make
> > > sense to use this or is it not suitable for diesels? They have 10 30
> > > and 5 30 I think. Thanks
> > >
> > > Robert Rahn
> > > Kalispell, Mt.
> > > 88 pt 40
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Rob Robinson]

Ok I thought you were referring to my post. Here is the info I got from DD.
It is spec 7SE270 0703 date 2007

2.2 TWO-STROKE CYCLE ENGINES

The lubricating oil requirements for On-Highway applications of Series 53,
Series 71, and Series 92 two-stroke engines are outlined in this section.

SAE Viscosity Grade 40


On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> My comment was in response to the post that said:
> > > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella or
> Delo.
>
> My point is not ALL Detroits should use 40wt only (only 2 cycles).
> And according to Detroit, SOME should use 15-40 (the four cycles).
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Rob Robinson"
> wrote:
> >
> > My comment was in reference to Mr Rahn email with a signature of
> 88PT 40. I
> > do believe all 88PT 40 require straight 40wt oil.
> >
> > On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ummmm, oil..... always a controversial topic.
> > >
> > > Just so we don't sow incorrect information for new users, I believe
> > > what you meant to say was that Detroit Two-Stroke Diesels (series 53,
> > > 71, 92, 149) are recommended by DD official publications to use
> > > monograde (40 or 50 weight) oils above freezing temps.
> > >
> > > Four Stroke Detroits are not recommended to use monograde oils per the
> > > Detroit Diesel publication on ENGINE REQUIREMENTS — LUBRICATING OIL,
> > > FUEL AND FILTERS:
> > >
> > > 2.1.5 MONOGRADE OILS
> > > Monograde oils, irrespective of API service category, should not be
> > > used in on-road applications in any DDC 4-stroke engines or in
> > > off-road applications in Series 40E, 50, 60, MBE 900 and
> > > MBE 4000 engines.
> > >
> > > At least that's they way I read their literature.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX - using Amsoil 15w-40 Heavy Duty Synthetic Diesel and
> > > Marine Oil and not using any or slinging any
> > >
> > > --- In
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > > PM7088@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > > > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella
> or Delo.
> > > >
> > > > YMMV, check with manufactor's site.
> > > >
> > > > Pete
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: "Robert & Teri Rahn"
> > > > It has been a couple years since I have changed the oil in our bus
> > > > since we havnt been using it much. I forgot what type and how
> much oil
> > > > to buy. Seems like it was 8 gallons of chevron delo. Wal mart has a
> > > > cheap fully synthetic oil, it is 12 dollars a gallon, does it make
> > > > sense to use this or is it not suitable for diesels? They have 10 30
> > > > and 5 30 I think. Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Robert Rahn
> > > > Kalispell, Mt.
> > > > 88 pt 40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mbulriss]

Pete, No problem! I just didn't want to hear about some newbie later
saying he read to only put 40wt in his series 60 on the
WanderlodgeForum! LOL!

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, PM7088@... wrote:
>
> Thank-you for the correction! Yes, old fellow that I am, I think of
a "Detroit" as a two stoke, happy to run in reverse and make a fool of
itself! I saw one die that way....
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
> Ummmm, oil..... always a controversial topic.
>
> Just so we don't sow incorrect information for new users, I believe
> what you meant to say was that Detroit Two-Stroke Diesels (series 53,
> 71, 92, 149) are recommended by DD official publications to use
> monograde (40 or 50 weight) oils above freezing temps.
>
> Four Stroke Detroits are not recommended to use monograde oils per the
> Detroit Diesel publication on ENGINE REQUIREMENTS — LUBRICATING OIL,
> FUEL AND FILTERS:
>
> 2.1.5 MONOGRADE OILS
> Monograde oils, irrespective of API service category, should not be
> used in on-road applications in any DDC 4-stroke engines or in
> off-road applications in Series 40E, 50, 60, MBE 900 and
> MBE 4000 engines.
>
> At least that's they way I read their literature.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX - using Amsoil 15w-40 Heavy Duty Synthetic Diesel and
> Marine Oil and not using any or slinging any
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, PM7088@ wrote:
> >
> > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella or
Delo.
> >
> > YMMV, check with manufactor's site.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Robert & Teri Rahn"
> > It has been a couple years since I have changed the oil in our bus
> > since we havnt been using it much. I forgot what type and how much
oil
> > to buy. Seems like it was 8 gallons of chevron delo. Wal mart has a
> > cheap fully synthetic oil, it is 12 dollars a gallon, does it make
> > sense to use this or is it not suitable for diesels? They have 10 30
> > and 5 30 I think. Thanks
> >
> > Robert Rahn
> > Kalispell, Mt.
> > 88 pt 40
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Rob Robinson]

Hit the wrong button and sent only part of the info. Here's the whole quote



QUOTE 2.2 TWO-STROKE CYCLE ENGINES

The lubricating oil requirements for On-Highway applications of Series 53,
Series 71, and Series 92 two-stroke engines are outlined in this section.

SAE Viscosity Grade 40
API Classification CF-2

Lubricating oil for On-Highway applications for two-stroke cycle engines
must meet the following requirements:

a. 1.0% Ash Maximum as measured by ASTM D874
b. 7.0 TBN minimum as measured by ASTM D2896
c. 700 ppm zinc minimum as measured by ASTM D5185

At ambient temperature below freezing (0C (32F)), sufficient starter
cranking speed may not be achieved to start the engine with SAE 40 grade
oils. Where starting aids are not available or at very cold temperatures
(-18 to -32C) (0 to -25F) even if starting aids are available, the use of
multigrade SAE 15W-40 or monograde SAE 30 will improve startability. These
lubricants must possess a HT/HS Viscosity (measured by ASTM D 4741 or
equivalent) of 3.7 cP minimum. These oils must be replaced with monograde
SAE 40 lubricants as soon as ambient conditions permit. UNQUOTE




On 08/10/2007, PM7088@... wrote:
>
> Thank-you for the correction! Yes, old fellow that I am, I think of a
> "Detroit" as a two stoke, happy to run in reverse and make a fool of
> itself! I saw one die that way....
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
> Ummmm, oil..... always a controversial topic.
>
> Just so we don't sow incorrect information for new users, I believe
> what you meant to say was that Detroit Two-Stroke Diesels (series 53,
> 71, 92, 149) are recommended by DD official publications to use
> monograde (40 or 50 weight) oils above freezing temps.
>
> Four Stroke Detroits are not recommended to use monograde oils per the
> Detroit Diesel publication on ENGINE REQUIREMENTS — LUBRICATING OIL,
> FUEL AND FILTERS:
>
> 2.1.5 MONOGRADE OILS
> Monograde oils, irrespective of API service category, should not be
> used in on-road applications in any DDC 4-stroke engines or in
> off-road applications in Series 40E, 50, 60, MBE 900 and
> MBE 4000 engines.
>
> At least that's they way I read their literature.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX - using Amsoil 15w-40 Heavy Duty Synthetic Diesel and
> Marine Oil and not using any or slinging any
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, PM7088@... wrote:
> >
> > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella or Delo.
> >
> > YMMV, check with manufactor's site.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Robert & Teri Rahn"
> > It has been a couple years since I have changed the oil in our bus
> > since we havnt been using it much. I forgot what type and how much oil
> > to buy. Seems like it was 8 gallons of chevron delo. Wal mart has a
> > cheap fully synthetic oil, it is 12 dollars a gallon, does it make
> > sense to use this or is it not suitable for diesels? They have 10 30
> > and 5 30 I think. Thanks
> >
> > Robert Rahn
> > Kalispell, Mt.
> > 88 pt 40
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mbulriss]

Hey Rob,

Yeah, we're saying the same thing. Kind of funny that the DD link to
their lubricating standards on their Motorcoach front page is to their
older brochure from 2005 (7SE270 0510). In that one they list a
table in Section 2.2 that basically says 40wt preferred and 50wt
secondary.

Then they go on to say (in part):
3. For continuous high temperature operation (over 200° F or 93° C
coolant out), the use of an SAE grade 50 lubricant in DDC two-stroke
cycle Series 53, 71 and 92 engines is required. SAE grade 50
lubricants are also required for all Series 149 engines where
ambient temperatures are above 95° F (35° C).
4. At ambient temperatures below freezing (32° F or 0° C), sufficient
starter cranking speed may not be achieved to start the engine with
SAE 40 grade oils. Where starting aids are not available or at very
cold temperatures (0° F to -25° F or -18° C to -32° C) even if
starting aids are available, the use of multigrade SAE 15W-40 or
monograde lubricant SAE 30 will improve startability. These lubricants
must possess a High Temperature – High Shear Rate Viscosity (measured
by ASTM D 4741 or equivalent) of 3.70 cP minimum. These oils must be
replaced with monograde SAE 40 lubricants as soon as ambient
conditions permit. Do not use multigrade or SAE 30 grade lubricants in
two-stroke cycle marine engines or Series 149 under any circumstances.

Send me the link to the 2007 revision when you get a chance. Save me
from searching their site! Thanks.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
wrote:
>
> Ok I thought you were referring to my post. Here is the info I got
from DD.
> It is spec 7SE270 0703 date 2007
>
> 2.2 TWO-STROKE CYCLE ENGINES
>
> The lubricating oil requirements for On-Highway applications of
Series 53,
> Series 71, and Series 92 two-stroke engines are outlined in this
section.
>
> SAE Viscosity Grade 40
>
>
> On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > My comment was in response to the post that said:
> > > > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > > > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella or
> > Delo.
> >
> > My point is not ALL Detroits should use 40wt only (only 2 cycles).
> > And according to Detroit, SOME should use 15-40 (the four cycles).
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Rob Robinson"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > My comment was in reference to Mr Rahn email with a signature of
> > 88PT 40. I
> > > do believe all 88PT 40 require straight 40wt oil.
> > >
> > > On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ummmm, oil..... always a controversial topic.
> > > >
> > > > Just so we don't sow incorrect information for new users, I
believe
> > > > what you meant to say was that Detroit Two-Stroke Diesels
(series 53,
> > > > 71, 92, 149) are recommended by DD official publications to use
> > > > monograde (40 or 50 weight) oils above freezing temps.
> > > >
> > > > Four Stroke Detroits are not recommended to use monograde oils
per the
> > > > Detroit Diesel publication on ENGINE REQUIREMENTS —
LUBRICATING OIL,
> > > > FUEL AND FILTERS:
> > > >
> > > > 2.1.5 MONOGRADE OILS
> > > > Monograde oils, irrespective of API service category, should
not be
> > > > used in on-road applications in any DDC 4-stroke engines or in
> > > > off-road applications in Series 40E, 50, 60, MBE 900 and
> > > > MBE 4000 engines.
> > > >
> > > > At least that's they way I read their literature.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX - using Amsoil 15w-40 Heavy Duty Synthetic
Diesel and
> > > > Marine Oil and not using any or slinging any
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > ,
> > > > PM7088@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > > > > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella
> > or Delo.
> > > > >
> > > > > YMMV, check with manufactor's site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > > From: "Robert & Teri Rahn"
> > > > > It has been a couple years since I have changed the oil in
our bus
> > > > > since we havnt been using it much. I forgot what type and how
> > much oil
> > > > > to buy. Seems like it was 8 gallons of chevron delo. Wal
mart has a
> > > > > cheap fully synthetic oil, it is 12 dollars a gallon, does
it make
> > > > > sense to use this or is it not suitable for diesels? They
have 10 30
> > > > > and 5 30 I think. Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert Rahn
> > > > > Kalispell, Mt.
> > > > > 88 pt 40
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > > 94 WLWB
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Rob Robinson]

That which I quoted I retyped from their actual manual titled "Detroit
Diesel Lubricating Oil, Fuel and Filters" and designated 7SE270 0703. This
manual is dated 2007. I checked their site at http://www.detroitdiesel.com and
didn't see anything that might lead me to this manual. I was given this
manual and another titled "Coolant Selection" (7SE298 Sept 2002) while at
an FMCA rally. It is interesting that they have dropped the info on SAE 50W
oil. I'd like to know why. Maybe next rally I'll remember to ask them.

On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Rob,
>
> Yeah, we're saying the same thing. Kind of funny that the DD link to
> their lubricating standards on their Motorcoach front page is to their
> older brochure from 2005 (7SE270 0510). In that one they list a
> table in Section 2.2 that basically says 40wt preferred and 50wt
> secondary.
>
> Then they go on to say (in part):
> 3. For continuous high temperature operation (over 200° F or 93° C
> coolant out), the use of an SAE grade 50 lubricant in DDC two-stroke
> cycle Series 53, 71 and 92 engines is required. SAE grade 50
> lubricants are also required for all Series 149 engines where
> ambient temperatures are above 95° F (35° C).
> 4. At ambient temperatures below freezing (32° F or 0° C), sufficient
> starter cranking speed may not be achieved to start the engine with
> SAE 40 grade oils. Where starting aids are not available or at very
> cold temperatures (0° F to -25° F or -18° C to -32° C) even if
> starting aids are available, the use of multigrade SAE 15W-40 or
> monograde lubricant SAE 30 will improve startability. These lubricants
> must possess a High Temperature – High Shear Rate Viscosity (measured
> by ASTM D 4741 or equivalent) of 3.70 cP minimum. These oils must be
> replaced with monograde SAE 40 lubricants as soon as ambient
> conditions permit. Do not use multigrade or SAE 30 grade lubricants in
> two-stroke cycle marine engines or Series 149 under any circumstances.
>
> Send me the link to the 2007 revision when you get a chance. Save me
> from searching their site! Thanks.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Rob Robinson"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok I thought you were referring to my post. Here is the info I got
> from DD.
> > It is spec 7SE270 0703 date 2007
> >
> > 2.2 TWO-STROKE CYCLE ENGINES
> >
> > The lubricating oil requirements for On-Highway applications of
> Series 53,
> > Series 71, and Series 92 two-stroke engines are outlined in this
> section.
> >
> > SAE Viscosity Grade 40
> >
> >
> > On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rob,
> > >
> > > My comment was in response to the post that said:
> > > > > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > > > > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella or
> > > Delo.
> > >
> > > My point is not ALL Detroits should use 40wt only (only 2 cycles).
> > > And according to Detroit, SOME should use 15-40 (the four cycles).
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > > --- In
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
,
>
> > > "Rob Robinson"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My comment was in reference to Mr Rahn email with a signature of
> > > 88PT 40. I
> > > > do believe all 88PT 40 require straight 40wt oil.
> > > >
> > > > On 08/10/2007, mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ummmm, oil..... always a controversial topic.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just so we don't sow incorrect information for new users, I
> believe
> > > > > what you meant to say was that Detroit Two-Stroke Diesels
> (series 53,
> > > > > 71, 92, 149) are recommended by DD official publications to use
> > > > > monograde (40 or 50 weight) oils above freezing temps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Four Stroke Detroits are not recommended to use monograde oils
> per the
> > > > > Detroit Diesel publication on ENGINE REQUIREMENTS —
> LUBRICATING OIL,
> > > > > FUEL AND FILTERS:
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.1.5 MONOGRADE OILS
> > > > > Monograde oils, irrespective of API service category, should
> not be
> > > > > used in on-road applications in any DDC 4-stroke engines or in
> > > > > off-road applications in Series 40E, 50, 60, MBE 900 and
> > > > > MBE 4000 engines.
> > > > >
> > > > > At least that's they way I read their literature.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > San Antonio, TX - using Amsoil 15w-40 Heavy Duty Synthetic
> Diesel and
> > > > > Marine Oil and not using any or slinging any
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
> > > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

> > > ,
> > > > > PM7088@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Detroits use 40wt only!
> > > > > > Other Diesels are fine with 15-40 DIESEL RATED such as Rotella
> > > or Delo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > YMMV, check with manufactor's site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pete
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > > > From: "Robert & Teri Rahn"
> > > > > > It has been a couple years since I have changed the oil in
> our bus
> > > > > > since we havnt been using it much. I forgot what type and how
> > > much oil
> > > > > > to buy. Seems like it was 8 gallons of chevron delo. Wal
> mart has a
> > > > > > cheap fully synthetic oil, it is 12 dollars a gallon, does
> it make
> > > > > > sense to use this or is it not suitable for diesels? They
> have 10 30
> > > > > > and 5 30 I think. Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert Rahn
> > > > > > Kalispell, Mt.
> > > > > > 88 pt 40
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > > > 94 WLWB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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