PT-42 Front Heaters

[bumpersbird]

'95 PT-42 Front Heater Question

1 - Ok I have dash heat and air like in any car or truck. But I also
have three vents on the bottom of the front consol, near the step
well. I thought that the thermostat that controls the front air would
operate one these vents, like the two thermostats in the kitchen and
bedroom, they operate the hydronic heat and A/C in those areas, but
it doesn't. The dash A/C – Heater operates the two floor vents over
the step well. But the third larger vent, more or less amid ship,
doesn't seem to do anything. I got my hand up in there behind it,
though the CB compartment and I couldn't feel any heater core of any
kind, or much of anything else for that matter. It might be like the
vents over the step well the heat just dumps into the consol area and
kind of pushes its way through the vents. Any help would be great! I
was told when I bought the coach that there is no heat up front when
the coach is in camper mode, only when the engine is running. If
anyone is curious there is a heater just under the sofa up front near
the drivers chair and it does a great job. I would just like one near
the door to offset heat loss when the family is going in and out 50
times a day.

2 - Also the temperature control slider on the dash is very difficult
to operate. I'm afraid that I will break it; it takes that much force
to slide left or right. I know the cable and hinges need to be lubed,
but I'm not sure what to use for lube. WD-40 need not respond;}

[mbrund]

I believe the one you are talking about at mid-ship, which would be
at floor level below the draws is the electric heater. This is
controlled by the thermostat that is mounted near the kitchen on
most coaches. This is a standard analog type thermostat, on my 92
it is mount right at the edge of the kitchen counter above the
couch. If you place the left most switch on heat, and set the temp
with the upper dial it should turn on this heater. The catch is
that the front AC switch on the dash to the left of the steering
wheel that conrols all the coach AC's (there are total of three
switches front, mid, rear) the front AC must be in the on position
as it controls the electric relay to that heater.

Which temp controls in the dash are you talking about, the overhead
dash (Chassis AC), or the lower left dash where the chassis heat is
located?

Michael Brundridge
1992 WB40
Georgetown, TX


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
wrote:
>
> '95 PT-42 Front Heater Question
>
> 1 - Ok I have dash heat and air like in any car or truck. But I
also
> have three vents on the bottom of the front consol, near the step
> well. I thought that the thermostat that controls the front air
would
> operate one these vents, like the two thermostats in the kitchen
and
> bedroom, they operate the hydronic heat and A/C in those areas,
but
> it doesn't. The dash A/C – Heater operates the two floor vents
over
> the step well. But the third larger vent, more or less amid ship,
> doesn't seem to do anything. I got my hand up in there behind it,
> though the CB compartment and I couldn't feel any heater core of
any
> kind, or much of anything else for that matter. It might be like
the
> vents over the step well the heat just dumps into the consol area
and
> kind of pushes its way through the vents. Any help would be great!
I
> was told when I bought the coach that there is no heat up front
when
> the coach is in camper mode, only when the engine is running. If
> anyone is curious there is a heater just under the sofa up front
near
> the drivers chair and it does a great job. I would just like one
near
> the door to offset heat loss when the family is going in and out
50
> times a day.
>
> 2 - Also the temperature control slider on the dash is very
difficult
> to operate. I'm afraid that I will break it; it takes that much
force
> to slide left or right. I know the cable and hinges need to be
lubed,
> but I'm not sure what to use for lube. WD-40 need not respond;}
>

[Pete Masterson]

1. Front thermostat (above driver's head) only controls the AC. When
set to 'gas heat' it doesnt' do anything. I have the vents you
describe, and nothing I've tried causes them to do anything. I, too,
can not find (feel) any heater core or other heating element behind
them. My supposition is that the vents are to allow air circulation
to the components behind the dash -- nothing more. (Indeed, it would
be great to have a little heat in that area while parked... but it
doesn't seem to be the case. I suppose you could turn on the 'engine
preheat' switch (board above driver's head) which turns on a pump
from the AquaHot to heat the engine so then you'd get some heat
through the chassis system -- but I expect that would be subject to a
_lot_ of waste and neither be economical or effective.)

The AquaHot heater core under the sofa is very effective. It's
controlled by the center thermostat. (Dash AC switch on, power switch
on thermostat on, second switch on thermostat to 'gas heat' and set
temperature according to your desire.) This same thermostat also
controls the AH heater core located under the galley cabinet. A
square Robert Shaw thermostat next to the Dometic thermostat controls
the electric Perfectoe heater under the galley.

The AquaHot system in the '95 is set up with 3 heating loops. One to
the bedroom, another to the bathroom, and the third to the forward
area with the heater cores under the sofa and galley cabinets. One of
these loops (I'm not sure which one) also 'feeds' the basement heat
system that has cores located in strategic places (such as one aimed
right at the domestic water pump) and is controlled by a 'low
temperature' thermostat on the front basement bulkhead on the curb
side. It allows settings as low as 40. I've used it in temperatures
down to 15 degrees and it seems to work as I haven't had any freezing
problems in the basement. All of the AquaHot heater cores have small
"pancake" 12 v fans to move air through the heater core. One service
check is to turn on the heat and check to see that the fans are
working. (In my coach, the fans under the kitchen cabinets are a
trifle noisy, but they move a goodly amount of air. The other fans
have modest noise when operating, but aren't too intrusive.)

2. My control lever requires moderate effort -- and the passage from
left to right (or right to left) has 'sticky' spots. I'd guess a
spray silicone lubricant if you can reach any of the cable or other
components. I haven't tried to get to them, yet. (see next)

I'm sad to report that I do have one problem with the chassis system.
There's a "door" deep in side that's supposed to move when the AC
goes on ... unfortunately, it's not moving when it's supposed to. The
most noticeable symptom is that the amount of air coming from the
'eyeball' vent isn't very significant. The door was working when I
first got the coach, but quit sometime last year. If anybody had any
ideas on how to get to the internal workings of the vent system, I'd
appreciate any suggestions.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart Texas



On Nov 21, 2007, at 6:51 PM, bumpersbird wrote:

> '95 PT-42 Front Heater Question
>
> 1 - Ok I have dash heat and air like in any car or truck. But I also
> have three vents on the bottom of the front consol, near the step
> well. I thought that the thermostat that controls the front air would
> operate one these vents, like the two thermostats in the kitchen and
> bedroom, they operate the hydronic heat and A/C in those areas, but
> it doesn't. The dash A/C – Heater operates the two floor vents over
> the step well. But the third larger vent, more or less amid ship,
> doesn't seem to do anything. I got my hand up in there behind it,
> though the CB compartment and I couldn't feel any heater core of any
> kind, or much of anything else for that matter. It might be like the
> vents over the step well the heat just dumps into the consol area and
> kind of pushes its way through the vents. Any help would be great! I
> was told when I bought the coach that there is no heat up front when
> the coach is in camper mode, only when the engine is running. If
> anyone is curious there is a heater just under the sofa up front near
> the drivers chair and it does a great job. I would just like one near
> the door to offset heat loss when the family is going in and out 50
> times a day.
>
> 2 - Also the temperature control slider on the dash is very difficult
> to operate. I'm afraid that I will break it; it takes that much force
> to slide left or right. I know the cable and hinges need to be lubed,
> but I'm not sure what to use for lube. WD-40 need not respond;}
>

[Kurt Horvath]

Pete,

If you turn on the floor heat from the dash controls while the engine is running
you should get some heat from the two vent over the step well. You can access
the two vents over the step well by pulling the left side of the door where the
A/C vents and the group of four switchs are mounted , there are two latchs one
the left side and two hinges on the right just jiggle it firmly from the left
side and it will open, be gentle mine only open four or five inches The heat is
blow down from a manifold towards the two vents it is not connected buy any duct
work. I would guess it helps to heat the whole consol and your passenger toes.
The mid ship vent might be air intake although I don't know if thats true or if
like you said just air for the interior of the consol. Everything else you
described is the same on my coach. I'll get after the sticky controls in the
nevt few days and I'll let you know what I come up with.

Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42
10AC Ready to over eat
Happy Thankgiving


----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Masterson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:35:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] PT-42 Front Heaters

1. Front thermostat (above driver's head) only controls the AC. When
set to 'gas heat' it doesnt' do anything. I have the vents you
describe, and nothing I've tried causes them to do anything. I, too,
can not find (feel) any heater core or other heating element behind
them. My supposition is that the vents are to allow air circulation
to the components behind the dash -- nothing more. (Indeed, it would
be great to have a little heat in that area while parked... but it
doesn't seem to be the case. I suppose you could turn on the 'engine
preheat' switch (board above driver's head) which turns on a pump
from the AquaHot to heat the engine so then you'd get some heat
through the chassis system -- but I expect that would be subject to a
_lot_ of waste and neither be economical or effective.)

The AquaHot heater core under the sofa is very effective. It's
controlled by the center thermostat. (Dash AC switch on, power switch
on thermostat on, second switch on thermostat to 'gas heat' and set
temperature according to your desire.) This same thermostat also
controls the AH heater core located under the galley cabinet. A
square Robert Shaw thermostat next to the Dometic thermostat controls
the electric Perfectoe heater under the galley.

The AquaHot system in the '95 is set up with 3 heating loops. One to
the bedroom, another to the bathroom, and the third to the forward
area with the heater cores under the sofa and galley cabinets. One of
these loops (I'm not sure which one) also 'feeds' the basement heat
system that has cores located in strategic places (such as one aimed
right at the domestic water pump) and is controlled by a 'low
temperature' thermostat on the front basement bulkhead on the curb
side. It allows settings as low as 40. I've used it in temperatures
down to 15 degrees and it seems to work as I haven't had any freezing
problems in the basement. All of the AquaHot heater cores have small
"pancake" 12 v fans to move air through the heater core. One service
check is to turn on the heat and check to see that the fans are
working. (In my coach, the fans under the kitchen cabinets are a
trifle noisy, but they move a goodly amount of air. The other fans
have modest noise when operating, but aren't too intrusive.)

2. My control lever requires moderate effort -- and the passage from
left to right (or right to left) has 'sticky' spots. I'd guess a
spray silicone lubricant if you can reach any of the cable or other
components. I haven't tried to get to them, yet. (see next)

I'm sad to report that I do have one problem with the chassis system.
There's a "door" deep in side that's supposed to move when the AC
goes on ... unfortunately, it's not moving when it's supposed to. The
most noticeable symptom is that the amount of air coming from the
'eyeball' vent isn't very significant. The door was working when I
first got the coach, but quit sometime last year. If anybody had any
ideas on how to get to the internal workings of the vent system, I'd
appreciate any suggestions.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart Texas



On Nov 21, 2007, at 6:51 PM, bumpersbird wrote:

> '95 PT-42 Front Heater Question
>
> 1 - Ok I have dash heat and air like in any car or truck. But I also
> have three vents on the bottom of the front consol, near the step
> well. I thought that the thermostat that controls the front air would
> operate one these vents, like the two thermostats in the kitchen and
> bedroom, they operate the hydronic heat and A/C in those areas, but
> it doesn't. The dash A/C – Heater operates the two floor vents over
> the step well. But the third larger vent, more or less amid ship,
> doesn't seem to do anything. I got my hand up in there behind it,
> though the CB compartment and I couldn't feel any heater core of any
> kind, or much of anything else for that matter. It might be like the
> vents over the step well the heat just dumps into the consol area and
> kind of pushes its way through the vents. Any help would be great! I
> was told when I bought the coach that there is no heat up front when
> the coach is in camper mode, only when the engine is running. If
> anyone is curious there is a heater just under the sofa up front near
> the drivers chair and it does a great job. I would just like one near
> the door to offset heat loss when the family is going in and out 50
> times a day.
>
> 2 - Also the temperature control slider on the dash is very difficult
> to operate. I'm afraid that I will break it; it takes that much force
> to slide left or right. I know the cable and hinges need to be lubed,
> but I'm not sure what to use for lube. WD-40 need not respond;}
>




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[Tom McCarthy]

The larger vent up front should be controoled by you AquaHot Gas
heating control near the middle of the coach. If you do not get heat
there, your circulation fan must be out.

My slider for the dash temparature control is also tight. Let me
know if you find a way to make it easier.

Tom McCarthy
95 PT42
Poway CA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
wrote:
>
> '95 PT-42 Front Heater Question
>
> 1 - Ok I have dash heat and air like in any car or truck. But I
also
> have three vents on the bottom of the front consol, near the step
> well. I thought that the thermostat that controls the front air
would
> operate one these vents, like the two thermostats in the kitchen
and
> bedroom, they operate the hydronic heat and A/C in those areas, but
> it doesn't. The dash A/C – Heater operates the two floor vents over
> the step well. But the third larger vent, more or less amid ship,
> doesn't seem to do anything. I got my hand up in there behind it,
> though the CB compartment and I couldn't feel any heater core of
any
> kind, or much of anything else for that matter. It might be like
the
> vents over the step well the heat just dumps into the consol area
and
> kind of pushes its way through the vents. Any help would be great!
I
> was told when I bought the coach that there is no heat up front
when
> the coach is in camper mode, only when the engine is running. If
> anyone is curious there is a heater just under the sofa up front
near
> the drivers chair and it does a great job. I would just like one
near
> the door to offset heat loss when the family is going in and out 50
> times a day.
>
> 2 - Also the temperature control slider on the dash is very
difficult
> to operate. I'm afraid that I will break it; it takes that much
force
> to slide left or right. I know the cable and hinges need to be
lubed,
> but I'm not sure what to use for lube. WD-40 need not respond;}
>

[Pete Masterson]

On Nov 22, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

> Pete,
>
> If you turn on the floor heat from the dash controls while the
> engine is running you should get some heat from the two vent over
> the step well.

That's correct--heat from the "AC" adjustable vents. But you get
nothing from the "vents" along the floor.

> You can access the two vents over the step well by pulling the left
> side of the door where the A/C vents and the group of four switchs
> are mounted , there are two latchs one the left side and two hinges
> on the right just jiggle it firmly from the left side and it will
> open, be gentle mine only open four or five inches The heat is
> blow down from a manifold towards the two vents it is not connected
> buy any duct work. I would guess it helps to heat the whole consol
> and your passenger toes. The mid ship vent might be air intake
> although I don't know if thats true or if like you said just air
> for the interior of the consol. Everything else you described is
> the same on my coach. I'll get after the sticky controls in the
> nevt few days and I'll let you know what I come up with.
>
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42
> 10AC Ready to over eat
> Happy Thankgiving
>
I'll have to explore the inside of the dash area further. I thought
the vents were connected with some flexible tubing. At least, those
around the driver's area are... It would seem like the ones on the
passenger (stair well) side would be hooked up as well -- at least we
get a fairly strong flow of air from them when the heat is on.


The (outside) front of the coach has two little 'grills' next to the
fog/driving lights. The curb side is a "fake" as the thing behind it
isn't hooked up. The street side unit is attached to a tube that
disappears up into the front of the coach somewhere. I presume that
this is the fresh air intake for the chassis heat/AC system. (I don't
get much flow when the vent is open unless the fan is on.)

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at

[Kurt Horvath]

Well now I feel stupid, Tom is right, it is a heater for the Aqua hot and if I'd
have looked past my nose I would have seen the heater core from the CB
compartment. I took the little compartment below the draw / cup holder out.
There is a covering, plywood, above the heater core. There was a large tangle of
wires and the control box for the musical horns and a wiring loom, all of it was
just lying on top of the fans keeping them from operating. I moved everything
out of the way and it is functioning fine.

But as you know for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. There
are several things that are not as they should be. Fix one problem find two more
needing attention. There appears to be an alarm system and two small boxes one
of them appears to be a remote controlled relay it has a 10 pin harness, I
bought a similar device to control the cooling fans I’m installing in the engine
compartment, the second box has a turn screw control and a light, it has a three
pin harness, the switch is labeled: Alarm System it has three settings: Mikes
On, System Off, Mikes Off. The wiring harnesses are not hooked up. I’m not sure
if all of these pieces are related or are for different systems. I was told the
coach did not have an alarm system when I bought it but that appears to be
wrong.

If some one could tell what this stuff is I'd appreciate it. I'm hesitant to
just plug everything in and wait to see what happens. The last thing I need is
an unknown system shutting down the coach when least expected.

Kurt Horvath, ( bumpersbird )
95 PT-42 WLWB, ( Indulgance )
10AC, ( Tennessee )



----- Original Message ----
From: Tom McCarthy
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:42:23 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: PT-42 Front Heaters

The larger vent up front should be controoled by you AquaHot Gas
heating control near the middle of the coach. If you do not get heat
there, your circulation fan must be out.

My slider for the dash temparature control is also tight. Let me
know if you find a way to make it easier.

Tom McCarthy
95 PT42
Poway CA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "bumpersbird"
wrote:
>
> '95 PT-42 Front Heater Question
>
> 1 - Ok I have dash heat and air like in any car or truck. But I
also
> have three vents on the bottom of the front consol, near the step
> well. I thought that the thermostat that controls the front air
would
> operate one these vents, like the two thermostats in the kitchen
and
> bedroom, they operate the hydronic heat and A/C in those areas, but
> it doesn't. The dash A/C – Heater operates the two floor vents over
> the step well. But the third larger vent, more or less amid ship,
> doesn't seem to do anything. I got my hand up in there behind it,
> though the CB compartment and I couldn't feel any heater core of
any
> kind, or much of anything else for that matter. It might be like
the
> vents over the step well the heat just dumps into the consol area
and
> kind of pushes its way through the vents. Any help would be great!
I
> was told when I bought the coach that there is no heat up front
when
> the coach is in camper mode, only when the engine is running. If
> anyone is curious there is a heater just under the sofa up front
near
> the drivers chair and it does a great job. I would just like one
near
> the door to offset heat loss when the family is going in and out 50
> times a day.
>
> 2 - Also the temperature control slider on the dash is very
difficult
> to operate. I'm afraid that I will break it; it takes that much
force
> to slide left or right. I know the cable and hinges need to be
lubed,
> but I'm not sure what to use for lube. WD-40 need not respond;}
>






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[Pete Masterson]

Looks like I need to do some digging in the front dash area... I
probably have the same situation with the fans under the front dash.

Alarm system: My coach was reported to not have an alarm system.
There is nothing (obvious) that arms it -- although there was one Ace
key (the round kind) that came with the coach and I haven't found
anyplace where it is used. That said, when I experimented with the
panic switch above the bed, an alarm sounded (darned if I know where
it is mounted). I also noticed magnetic switches mounted on the
bedroom window -- that are commonly used with alarm systems. So,
there might be an alarm system _somewhere_ but previous owners were
unaware of it. Or, the coach is prewired for an alarm system, but it
isn't activated until a control box of some sort is installed. (The
owner's manual is silent on the topic.)

I also note that there is a switch for a radar detector on the dash.
Up at the top of the windshield is a black box thing -- that I
discovered was empty. So, it's possible that a radar detector was
installed at one time in the past (and was removed) or that it was
never installed, but a bracket for it was. I'm not really interested
in a radar detector anyway... (The bracket holds my GPS aerial very
nicely.)

As for plugging in the alarm system, I don't think it will shut down
the coach -- but it might set off a noisy alarm when you least expect
it!

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart Texas



On Nov 22, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

> Well now I feel stupid, Tom is right, it is a heater for the Aqua
> hot and if I'd have looked past my nose I would have seen the
> heater core from the CB compartment. I took the little compartment
> below the drawer / cup holder out. There is a covering, plywood,
> above the heater core. There was a large tangle of wires and the
> control box for the musical horns and a wiring loom, all of it was
> just lying on top of the fans keeping them from operating. I moved
> everything out of the way and it is functioning fine.
>
> <snip>The wiring harnesses are not hooked up. I’m not sure if all
> of these pieces are related or are for different systems. I was
> told the coach did not have an alarm system when I bought it but
> that appears to be wrong.
>
> If some one could tell what this stuff is I'd appreciate it. I'm
> hesitant to just plug everything in and wait to see what happens.
> The last thing I need is an unknown system shutting down the coach
> when least expected.
>
> Kurt Horvath, ( bumpersbird )
> 95 PT-42 WLWB, ( Indulgance )
> 10AC, ( Tennessee )

[Kurt Horvath]

Pete,

The Ace key is probably for the safe. Mine is located under a counter top in the
bedroom, if you stand at the foot of the bed mine is under the right side
cabinet, just as you enter the bedroom, against the bathroom wall. Just lift up
the corian top and a steel cover will open up and there is a safe. Good luck
there could be some goodies in there!

I am happy to find the Heater, and that it works after getting all the mess
cleaned up. As far as the alarm goes I'll ask my BB guru he might have an idea.

The radar switch powers up the radar detector and your right that little boxed
area is where it is located, my coach still has a radar detector in it but I
never use it, they are more of a distraction than a help. Besides IMHO, if you
need one in a Bird your driving too fast for your own good, not to mention
eveyone else on the road.

Pete I see that you sign off with '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42. I found 4
designations for our year model coaches 42' WLWB -- 42' WTOS -- 42' WBSD -- 42'
WBDA. I have been using WLWB but to tell you the truth I not really sure which
is my proper designation, whenever I've talked with the guys a BB they don't
seem to destiguish anything past WLWB. Maybe you or someone else could shed some
light on this question.

Kurt Horvath 95 PT-42 WLWB,WTOS, WBSD, WBDA ?????????????????????


----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Masterson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:40:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] PT-42 Front Heaters

Looks like I need to do some digging in the front dash area... I
probably have the same situation with the fans under the front dash.

Alarm system: My coach was reported to not have an alarm system.
There is nothing (obvious) that arms it -- although there was one Ace
key (the round kind) that came with the coach and I haven't found
anyplace where it is used. That said, when I experimented with the
panic switch above the bed, an alarm sounded (darned if I know where
it is mounted). I also noticed magnetic switches mounted on the
bedroom window -- that are commonly used with alarm systems. So,
there might be an alarm system _somewhere_ but previous owners were
unaware of it. Or, the coach is prewired for an alarm system, but it
isn't activated until a control box of some sort is installed. (The
owner's manual is silent on the topic.)

I also note that there is a switch for a radar detector on the dash.
Up at the top of the windshield is a black box thing -- that I
discovered was empty. So, it's possible that a radar detector was
installed at one time in the past (and was removed) or that it was
never installed, but a bracket for it was. I'm not really interested
in a radar detector anyway... (The bracket holds my GPS aerial very
nicely.)

As for plugging in the alarm system, I don't think it will shut down
the coach -- but it might set off a noisy alarm when you least expect
it!

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart Texas



On Nov 22, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

> Well now I feel stupid, Tom is right, it is a heater for the Aqua
> hot and if I'd have looked past my nose I would have seen the
> heater core from the CB compartment. I took the little compartment
> below the drawer / cup holder out. There is a covering, plywood,
> above the heater core. There was a large tangle of wires and the
> control box for the musical horns and a wiring loom, all of it was
> just lying on top of the fans keeping them from operating. I moved
> everything out of the way and it is functioning fine.
>
> <snip>The wiring harnesses are not hooked up. I¢m not sure if all
> of these pieces are related or are for different systems. I was
> told the coach did not have an alarm system when I bought it but
> that appears to be wrong.
>
> If some one could tell what this stuff is I'd appreciate it. I'm
> hesitant to just plug everything in and wait to see what happens.
> The last thing I need is an unknown system shutting down the coach
> when least expected.
>
> Kurt Horvath, ( bumpersbird )
> 95 PT-42 WLWB, ( Indulgance )
> 10AC, ( Tennessee )




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[Pete Masterson]

Well, I'll be darned.... there's a safe on board! Sadly, it was
empty. But it's good to know that it's there. And now I know what the
round key is for!

Designations... <sigh> Well the basic would be "PT-42" since that's
what it is... The subcategories are important as some features are in
different locations.

WBDA means "wide body, diagonal aisle" as my coach is 102" wide (wide
body) and has a diagonal refrigerator located on the centerline of
the coach leading to a side aisle that goes past the bathroom (with a
door on the aisle). Interestingly, Mr. Olivers now has a 95 with the
diagonal aisle -- but a full width bath. So I don't know what they'd
call it.

WBWL is "wide body, WanderLodge" -- not really very descriptive.
WBSD I'd guess is wide body side "d" (whatever "d" is) and so on...

See vintage birds web site where they have some of the Wanderlodge
alphabet soup spelled out...

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart Texas



On Nov 23, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

> Pete,
>
> The Ace key is probably for the safe. Mine is located under a
> counter top in the bedroom, if you stand at the foot of the bed
> mine is under the right side cabinet, just as you enter the
> bedroom, against the bathroom wall. Just lift up the corian top and
> a steel cover will open up and there is a safe. Good luck there
> could be some goodies in there!
> <snip>
> Pete I see that you sign off with '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA
> 42. I found 4 designations for our year model coaches 42' WLWB --
> 42' WTOS -- 42' WBSD -- 42' WBDA. I have been using WLWB but to
> tell you the truth I not really sure which is my proper
> designation, whenever I've talked with the guys a BB they don't
> seem to destiguish anything past WLWB. Maybe you or someone else
> could shed some light on this question.
>
> Kurt Horvath 95 PT-42 WLWB,WTOS, WBSD, WBDA ?????????????????????
>