2005 450 LXI

[erniecarpet@...]

Jon, lots of the newer coaches are total electric.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Weatherford, Tx

with house type refer



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[Jon]

Was I reading that article right? Do these newer Wanderlodge not
have three way refrigerators? You know 110AC ,12volt and propane? I
would think that at around 450,000 dollars they would have this set
up.

And why at this price do they not have on top solar battery charger?

Guess sometimes older is better. Jon

[Jon]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> Jon, lots of the newer coaches are total electric.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Tx
>
> with house type refer

Is there any particular reason for this? Seems that maybe these newer
rigs are more for non-dry camping. But I guess it would cost the
coach company a few more bucks to install a propane system or one of
those diesel heating systems.

I was wondering if they have an exhaust system that might rise up
like a periscope to exhaust all those smelly exhaust fumes you get
when your running your generator. I kind of wander what the air
quality must be like at a place like Quartzite Arizona when you have
100's of motor homes running there generators at the same time. Phew
maybe one should bring an extra oxygen pack to get some fresh air.
Jon
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[Pete Masterson]

The newest Blue Birds use a _lot_ of electricity. You'd probably need
the roof space of 3 or 4 birds to have sufficient solar power to
really make a dent in the electrical draw. (The newest birds have a
20KW generator.)

I'm not sure when the first "all electric" Birds were made, but my
'95 is all electric and has a standard home-style 22 or 24 cu ft.
Amana two door refrigerator. It operates only on 120 vac only. I also
have a 120 vac cook top. (It doesn't heat up as fast as a 220 vac
unit would, but it seems like it gets as hot as any other electric
stove I've used with similar sized "burners" -- in other words, it's
better than a hot plate.)

The two 2500 watt inverters supply power to the microwave and
refrigerator as well as several of the wall plugs and 120 vac light
fixtures. I've never tried the convection oven feature while on
inverter power, but I'd guess it's "on" as well. The cooktop is not
powered by the inverters.

I'll observe that the all-electric is a blessing and a curse. The
blessing is that I never have to deal with getting propane, worry
about lp gas connections or adjustments, nor worry about an aging lp
gas tank. The curse is that the home-type refrigerator really sucks
the house batteries down fast.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lubbock Texas



On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Jon wrote:

> Was I reading that article right? Do these newer Wanderlodge not
> have three way refrigerators? You know 110AC ,12volt and propane? I
> would think that at around 450,000 dollars they would have this set
> up.
>
> And why at this price do they not have on top solar battery charger?

[Pete Masterson]

Choice of all-electric and home-style refrigerator in a BB is
probably not economic (money saving in manufacture) but is probably a
convenience issue.

My '95 has a cap for the ground level genny exhaust, when screwed on,
the generator fumes are directed out through a roof-top exhaust pipe.
There is no 'switching' involved other than plugging the lower
exhaust pipe outlet. Exhaust gasses apparently prefer the path of
least resistance. Since BB tends to keep features that work, I
suspect that this remains on later models.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lubbock Texas



On Dec 2, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Jon wrote:

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>>
>> Jon, lots of the newer coaches are total electric.
>>
>> Ernie Ekberg
>> 83PT40
>> Weatherford, Tx
>>
>> with house type refer
>
> Is there any particular reason for this? Seems that maybe these newer
> rigs are more for non-dry camping. But I guess it would cost the
> coach company a few more bucks to install a propane system or one of
> those diesel heating systems.
>
> I was wondering if they have an exhaust system that might rise up
> like a periscope to exhaust all those smelly exhaust fumes you get
> when your running your generator.

[david brady]

I carry 100 gallons of LPG to run my frig, stove top, and outdoor
grill. The more ways to make power, the merrier... Another downside
of carrying LPG is the space it takes. I'd have a second pass-through
bay if I ditched the propane tank.

David Brady
'02 LXi, Ca

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> The newest Blue Birds use a _lot_ of electricity. You'd probably
need
> the roof space of 3 or 4 birds to have sufficient solar power to
> really make a dent in the electrical draw. (The newest birds have
a
> 20KW generator.)
>
> I'm not sure when the first "all electric" Birds were made, but my
> '95 is all electric and has a standard home-style 22 or 24 cu ft.
> Amana two door refrigerator. It operates only on 120 vac only. I
also
> have a 120 vac cook top. (It doesn't heat up as fast as a 220 vac
> unit would, but it seems like it gets as hot as any other electric
> stove I've used with similar sized "burners" -- in other words,
it's
> better than a hot plate.)
>
> The two 2500 watt inverters supply power to the microwave and
> refrigerator as well as several of the wall plugs and 120 vac
light
> fixtures. I've never tried the convection oven feature while on
> inverter power, but I'd guess it's "on" as well. The cooktop is
not
> powered by the inverters.
>
> I'll observe that the all-electric is a blessing and a curse. The
> blessing is that I never have to deal with getting propane, worry
> about lp gas connections or adjustments, nor worry about an aging
lp
> gas tank. The curse is that the home-type refrigerator really
sucks
> the house batteries down fast.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> aeonix1@...
> On the road at Lubbock Texas
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Jon wrote:
>
> > Was I reading that article right? Do these newer Wanderlodge not
> > have three way refrigerators? You know 110AC ,12volt and
propane? I
> > would think that at around 450,000 dollars they would have this
set
> > up.
> >
> > And why at this price do they not have on top solar battery
charger?
>

[martingregg598]

Jon, about Quartzsite, last year was my fist experience and I think it
was probably more like 1,000s of generators running. There seem to be a
nice breeze going every day; it was awesome, warm in the sun, cool in
the shade, just right at night. One thing that puzzles me, with all the
solar panels collecting all that solar energy, it was still warm
Marty Gregg
97 BMC 37
Kennewick WA.

[brad barton]

Dave, We may have the best of both worlds..an lp ref and nothing else..although
I had to have mine serviced this year. Aqua hot works great. We still ran the
generator 30 minutes to an hour twice a day when dry-camping at Branson over
Thanksgiving. It was pretty cold at night. The engine preheat worked great
too. I'm not sure about the generator engine pre-heat. It appears to be just
electric. If so, why would you want to preheat the generator when you're
already on the grid, or why use preheat when you have glow-plugs..or..does Aqua
hot pump warmed water to the generator?Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@...


To: WanderlodgeForum@...: aeonix1@...: Sun, 2 Dec 2007
20:23:33 -0600Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 2005 450 LXI




The newest Blue Birds use a _lot_ of electricity. You'd probably need the roof
space of 3 or 4 birds to have sufficient solar power to really make a dent in
the electrical draw. (The newest birds have a 20KW generator.)I'm not sure when
the first "all electric" Birds were made, but my '95 is all electric and has a
standard home-style 22 or 24 cu ft. Amana two door refrigerator. It operates
only on 120 vac only. I also have a 120 vac cook top. (It doesn't heat up as
fast as a 220 vac unit would, but it seems like it gets as hot as any other
electric stove I've used with similar sized "burners" -- in other words, it's
better than a hot plate.)The two 2500 watt inverters supply power to the
microwave and refrigerator as well as several of the wall plugs and 120 vac
light fixtures. I've never tried the convection oven feature while on inverter
power, but I'd guess it's "on" as well. The cooktop is not powered by the
inverters.I'll observe that the all-electric is a blessing and a curse. The
blessing is that I never have to deal with getting propane, worry about lp gas
connections or adjustments, nor worry about an aging lp gas tank. The curse is
that the home-type refrigerator really sucks the house batteries down fast.Pete
Masterson'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42aeonix1@... the road at Lubbock
TexasOn Dec 2, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Jon wrote:> Was I reading that article right?
Do these newer Wanderlodge not> have three way refrigerators? You know 110AC
,12volt and propane? I> would think that at around 450,000 dollars they would
have this set> up.>> And why at this price do they not have on top solar battery
charger?






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