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12-04-2007, 10:42

Pete et all,

I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times
pertaining to fuel usage.

The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY
burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.
BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't
give any thought to fuel consumption.

I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,
only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3 months
(an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days
of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.

Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself, but it
*really* doesn't use much fuel.

Paul 97wb43

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> The all-electric 'Bird has AquaHot heat. Uses a Webasto burner to
> burn diesel -- about 1/2 gal per hour when the burner is operating.
> For low-demand use, it has a 2000 watt electric heating element that
> operates with shore power or the generator. The AquaHot is a great
> hydronic heating system. It also heats the engine water. I switched
> on the engine pre-heat at about 5 this AM and when I started up at
> about 8:30, the engine kicked over like it was a 95 degree day --
> only it was 31 degrees outside having reached a low of 26 during the
> early morning hours in Lubbock. The AquaHot also provides
> _continuous_ hot water for domestic purposes (think shower). You
> never run out of hot water, but if the source water is really cold,
> it can get a bit less than ideally hot toward the tail end of a
> shower. (Hint: use your onboard tank, it's usually warmer than ground
> water.)
>
> You don't need the generator or shore power for the AquaHot -- but
> you do pay for the diesel. The advantage is that you gotta fill the
> tank anyway, so it's no extra trouble (there is a small Racor filter,
> but it's never given any trouble and gets an annual replacement).
>
> Of course, with diesel at $3.39/gal at some stations I saw today
> (Flying J in Amarillo was $3.21) it now costs about $1.60 to $1.80
> per hour to operate the Webasto burner.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> aeonix1@...
> On the road at Lamar Colorado after a long day from Lubbock...
>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
>
> > I had no idea that there even was an RV of any type that did not have
> > propane tanks? Guess that shows how out of touch I am. How about
> > heat in cold conditions? I guess you would certainly be running the
> > generator then? I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
> > Gasoline or propane. Makes not a lot of difference?
> > John Heckman
> > central Pa
> > 1973 FC
> >
> >
> >
> <snip>
>

12-04-2007, 12:41

Hi,
With your experience with Aquahot. I'm a newbi.
When dry camping -Start aquihot with both thermoststs and hot water calling
for heat. Burner runs as does recirc. pump. The burner may cycle on and off.
After a time the Therms are satisfied as is the hot water. IMy recirc pump keeps
running, Shouldn't it shut off until the therms or WH calls?

2nd question-- When on the road- engine hot- my burner comes on- I think
it should not as the engine coolant should be sufficient. The manual says that
the recirc pump will run until the retained engine heat is depleted. I think
there may be another recirc pump from the engine for this purpose.

2006 450 LXi
Ross macKillop

----- Original Message ----
From: p_a_lazar
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:42:29 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re: dry camping)

Pete et all,

I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times

pertaining to fuel usage.

The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY

burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.

BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't

give any thought to fuel consumption.

I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,

only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3 months

(an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days

of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.

Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself, but it

*really* doesn't use much fuel.

Paul 97wb43

--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Pete Masterson

wrote:

>

> The all-electric 'Bird has AquaHot heat. Uses a Webasto burner to

> burn diesel -- about 1/2 gal per hour when the burner is operating.

> For low-demand use, it has a 2000 watt electric heating element that

> operates with shore power or the generator. The AquaHot is a great

> hydronic heating system. It also heats the engine water. I switched

> on the engine pre-heat at about 5 this AM and when I started up at

> about 8:30, the engine kicked over like it was a 95 degree day --

> only it was 31 degrees outside having reached a low of 26 during the

> early morning hours in Lubbock. The AquaHot also provides

> _continuous_ hot water for domestic purposes (think shower). You

> never run out of hot water, but if the source water is really cold,

> it can get a bit less than ideally hot toward the tail end of a

> shower. (Hint: use your onboard tank, it's usually warmer than ground

> water.)

>

> You don't need the generator or shore power for the AquaHot -- but

> you do pay for the diesel. The advantage is that you gotta fill the

> tank anyway, so it's no extra trouble (there is a small Racor filter,

> but it's never given any trouble and gets an annual replacement) .

>

> Of course, with diesel at $3.39/gal at some stations I saw today

> (Flying J in Amarillo was $3.21) it now costs about $1.60 to $1.80

> per hour to operate the Webasto burner.

>

> Pete Masterson

> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

> aeonix1@...

> On the road at Lamar Colorado after a long day from Lubbock...

>

>

>

> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:

>

> > I had no idea that there even was an RV of any type that did not have

> > propane tanks? Guess that shows how out of touch I am. How about

> > heat in cold conditions? I guess you would certainly be running the

> > generator then? I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.

> > Gasoline or propane. Makes not a lot of difference?

> > John Heckman

> > central Pa

> > 1973 FC

> >

> >

> >

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12-04-2007, 13:32

Paul,

Good to hear that usage is so low. I _thought_ I read the 1/2 gal per
hour figure in the BB owner's manual in my blue box -- but there are
a lot of errors and omissions in it....

I winterize by staying in California ....

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Golden Colorado -- where I'm using my AquaHot for sure!

On Dec 4, 2007, at 3:42 PM, p_a_lazar wrote:

> Pete et all,
>
> I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times
> pertaining to fuel usage.
>
> The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY
> burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.
> BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't
> give any thought to fuel consumption.
>
> I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,
> only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3 months
> (an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days
> of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.
>
> Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself, but it
> *really* doesn't use much fuel.
>
> Paul 97wb43
<snip>

12-04-2007, 13:41

When I'm going over the road, I turn off the "hydronic heat" switch
on the dash board. That keeps the burner from running, but the
circulation pumps still pump as I'm able to turn on the thermostats
and get heat from the A-H using engine heat only. This is one of
those non-intuitive Blue Bird "secret" (otherwise non-documented)
facts. I hate to admit this, but I only discovered this recently. But
I only recently discovered that the Engine Pre-Heat uses the AquaHot
to heat the engine. In my case both the "pre-heat" and the "hydronic
heat" switches must be on for it to work.

At least, it's how it works with my system.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Golden Colorado

On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Ross MacKillop wrote:

> Hi,
> With your experience with Aquahot. I'm a newbi.
> When dry camping -Start aquihot with both thermoststs and hot
> water calling for heat. Burner runs as does recirc. pump. The
> burner may cycle on and off. After a time the Therms are satisfied
> as is the hot water. IMy recirc pump keeps running, Shouldn't it
> shut off until the therms or WH calls?
>
> 2nd question-- When on the road- engine hot- my burner comes
> on- I think it should not as the engine coolant should be
> sufficient. The manual says that the recirc pump will run until the
> retained engine heat is depleted. I think there may be another
> recirc pump from the engine for this purpose.
>
> 2006 450 LXi
> Ross macKillop
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: p_a_lazar
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:42:29 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re: dry
> camping)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pete et all,
>
>
>
> I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times
>
> pertaining to fuel usage.
>
>
>
> The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY
>
> burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.
>
> BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't
>
> give any thought to fuel consumption.
>
>
>
> I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,
>
> only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3 months
>
> (an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days
>
> of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.
>
>
>
> Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself, but it
>
> *really* doesn't use much fuel.
>
>
>
> Paul 97wb43
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Pete Masterson
>
>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> The all-electric 'Bird has AquaHot heat. Uses a Webasto burner to
>
>> burn diesel -- about 1/2 gal per hour when the burner is operating.
>
>> For low-demand use, it has a 2000 watt electric heating element that
>
>> operates with shore power or the generator. The AquaHot is a great
>
>> hydronic heating system. It also heats the engine water. I switched
>
>> on the engine pre-heat at about 5 this AM and when I started up at
>
>> about 8:30, the engine kicked over like it was a 95 degree day --
>
>> only it was 31 degrees outside having reached a low of 26 during the
>
>> early morning hours in Lubbock. The AquaHot also provides
>
>> _continuous_ hot water for domestic purposes (think shower). You
>
>> never run out of hot water, but if the source water is really cold,
>
>> it can get a bit less than ideally hot toward the tail end of a
>
>> shower. (Hint: use your onboard tank, it's usually warmer than ground
>
>> water.)
>
>>
>
>> You don't need the generator or shore power for the AquaHot -- but
>
>> you do pay for the diesel. The advantage is that you gotta fill the
>
>> tank anyway, so it's no extra trouble (there is a small Racor filter,
>
>> but it's never given any trouble and gets an annual replacement) .
>
>>
>
>> Of course, with diesel at $3.39/gal at some stations I saw today
>
>> (Flying J in Amarillo was $3.21) it now costs about $1.60 to $1.80
>
>> per hour to operate the Webasto burner.
>
>>
>
>> Pete Masterson
>
>> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
>
>> aeonix1@...
>
>> On the road at Lamar Colorado after a long day from Lubbock...
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> I had no idea that there even was an RV of any type that did not
>>> have
>
>>> propane tanks? Guess that shows how out of touch I am. How about
>
>>> heat in cold conditions? I guess you would certainly be running the
>
>>> generator then? I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
>
>>> Gasoline or propane. Makes not a lot of difference?
>
>>> John Heckman
>
>>> central Pa
>
>>> 1973 FC
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12-04-2007, 14:14

Well, I do not know about the new coaches, they have far to mann----nny gadgets.
I will tell you about my hydronic system.
The recirculation pump will run forever if I do not turn the system switch off.
In my case it is a single on/off switch temperature controlled by a single
thermostat in the galley.
However, the principle of radiant heat, or hydronic heat requires continuous
hot water movement. If the water does not move there is no heat. If the
circulation of heated water ceases you get cold in cold weather.
There is an over temp sensor in the burner that will shut it down when a
specified water temp is attained. It you think about it , it is similar to
turning your A/C off in summer as opposed to setting it at 80. It takes a lot
longer to cool a hot house that to cool a stable house. In my opinion continuous
circulation of hot water, there is about 150lf of it in a bus , the heat therein
being dissipated by heat exchangers(convections fans) is what provides stable
heat in the bus. It the water is not moving you get to start all over again.
Stagnant water will not heat anything.
Warning, sometimes I can be radical in opinion. My Wabasto works well when it
works, and that is most of the time.. Right now I think I have an air lock,
something I need to address this weekend. Not normal. Me either. lol

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dehlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

Ross MacKillop wrote: Hi,
With your experience with Aquahot. I'm a newbi.
When dry camping -Start aquihot with both thermoststs and hot water calling
for heat. Burner runs as does recirc. pump. The burner may cycle on and off.
After a time the Therms are satisfied as is the hot water. IMy recirc pump keeps
running, Shouldn't it shut off until the therms or WH calls?

2nd question-- When on the road- engine hot- my burner comes on- I think
it should not as the engine coolant should be sufficient. The manual says that
the recirc pump will run until the retained engine heat is depleted. I think
there may be another recirc pump from the engine for this purpose.

2006 450 LXi
Ross macKillop

----- Original Message ----
From: p_a_lazar
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:42:29 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re: dry camping)

Pete et all,

I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times

pertaining to fuel usage.

The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY

burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.

BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't

give any thought to fuel consumption.

I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,

only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3 months

(an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days

of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.

Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself, but it

*really* doesn't use much fuel.

Paul 97wb43

--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Pete Masterson

wrote:

>

> The all-electric 'Bird has AquaHot heat. Uses a Webasto burner to

> burn diesel -- about 1/2 gal per hour when the burner is operating.

> For low-demand use, it has a 2000 watt electric heating element that

> operates with shore power or the generator. The AquaHot is a great

> hydronic heating system. It also heats the engine water. I switched

> on the engine pre-heat at about 5 this AM and when I started up at

> about 8:30, the engine kicked over like it was a 95 degree day --

> only it was 31 degrees outside having reached a low of 26 during the

> early morning hours in Lubbock. The AquaHot also provides

> _continuous_ hot water for domestic purposes (think shower). You

> never run out of hot water, but if the source water is really cold,

> it can get a bit less than ideally hot toward the tail end of a

> shower. (Hint: use your onboard tank, it's usually warmer than ground

> water.)

>

> You don't need the generator or shore power for the AquaHot -- but

> you do pay for the diesel. The advantage is that you gotta fill the

> tank anyway, so it's no extra trouble (there is a small Racor filter,

> but it's never given any trouble and gets an annual replacement) .

>

> Of course, with diesel at $3.39/gal at some stations I saw today

> (Flying J in Amarillo was $3.21) it now costs about $1.60 to $1.80

> per hour to operate the Webasto burner.

>

> Pete Masterson

> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

> aeonix1@...

> On the road at Lamar Colorado after a long day from Lubbock...

>

>

>

> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:

>

> > I had no idea that there even was an RV of any type that did not have

> > propane tanks? Guess that shows how out of touch I am. How about

> > heat in cold conditions? I guess you would certainly be running the

> > generator then? I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.

> > Gasoline or propane. Makes not a lot of difference?

> > John Heckman

> > central Pa

> > 1973 FC

> >

> >

> >

> <snip>

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12-04-2007, 14:42

I guess that is what I was trying to say. Not matter the configuration, if hot
water is not moving it is not possible to have continuous hydronic or radiant
heat. Well stated Pete.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega , GA
Royale Conversion

Pete Masterson wrote: When I'm
going over the road, I turn off the "hydronic heat" switch
on the dash board. That keeps the burner from running, but the
circulation pumps still pump as I'm able to turn on the thermostats
and get heat from the A-H using engine heat only. This is one of
those non-intuitive Blue Bird "secret" (otherwise non-documented)
facts. I hate to admit this, but I only discovered this recently. But
I only recently discovered that the Engine Pre-Heat uses the AquaHot
to heat the engine. In my case both the "pre-heat" and the "hydronic
heat" switches must be on for it to work.

At least, it's how it works with my system.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Golden Colorado

On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Ross MacKillop wrote:

> Hi,
> With your experience with Aquahot. I'm a newbi.
> When dry camping -Start aquihot with both thermoststs and hot
> water calling for heat. Burner runs as does recirc. pump. The
> burner may cycle on and off. After a time the Therms are satisfied
> as is the hot water. IMy recirc pump keeps running, Shouldn't it
> shut off until the therms or WH calls?
>
> 2nd question-- When on the road- engine hot- my burner comes
> on- I think it should not as the engine coolant should be
> sufficient. The manual says that the recirc pump will run until the
> retained engine heat is depleted. I think there may be another
> recirc pump from the engine for this purpose.
>
> 2006 450 LXi
> Ross macKillop
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: p_a_lazar
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:42:29 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re: dry
> camping)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pete et all,
>
>
>
> I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times
>
> pertaining to fuel usage.
>
>
>
> The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY
>
> burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.
>
> BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't
>
> give any thought to fuel consumption.
>
>
>
> I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,
>
> only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3 months
>
> (an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days
>
> of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.
>
>
>
> Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself, but it
>
> *really* doesn't use much fuel.
>
>
>
> Paul 97wb43
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Pete Masterson
>
>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> The all-electric 'Bird has AquaHot heat. Uses a Webasto burner to
>
>> burn diesel -- about 1/2 gal per hour when the burner is operating.
>
>> For low-demand use, it has a 2000 watt electric heating element that
>
>> operates with shore power or the generator. The AquaHot is a great
>
>> hydronic heating system. It also heats the engine water. I switched
>
>> on the engine pre-heat at about 5 this AM and when I started up at
>
>> about 8:30, the engine kicked over like it was a 95 degree day --
>
>> only it was 31 degrees outside having reached a low of 26 during the
>
>> early morning hours in Lubbock. The AquaHot also provides
>
>> _continuous_ hot water for domestic purposes (think shower). You
>
>> never run out of hot water, but if the source water is really cold,
>
>> it can get a bit less than ideally hot toward the tail end of a
>
>> shower. (Hint: use your onboard tank, it's usually warmer than ground
>
>> water.)
>
>>
>
>> You don't need the generator or shore power for the AquaHot -- but
>
>> you do pay for the diesel. The advantage is that you gotta fill the
>
>> tank anyway, so it's no extra trouble (there is a small Racor filter,
>
>> but it's never given any trouble and gets an annual replacement) .
>
>>
>
>> Of course, with diesel at $3.39/gal at some stations I saw today
>
>> (Flying J in Amarillo was $3.21) it now costs about $1.60 to $1.80
>
>> per hour to operate the Webasto burner.
>
>>
>
>> Pete Masterson
>
>> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
>
>> aeonix1@...
>
>> On the road at Lamar Colorado after a long day from Lubbock...
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> I had no idea that there even was an RV of any type that did not
>>> have
>
>>> propane tanks? Guess that shows how out of touch I am. How about
>
>>> heat in cold conditions? I guess you would certainly be running the
>
>>> generator then? I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
>
>>> Gasoline or propane. Makes not a lot of difference?
>
>>> John Heckman
>
>>> central Pa
>
>>> 1973 FC
>
>>>
>
>>>
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>>>
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12-04-2007, 15:16

Hi,
Very confusing.
I have 2 switches only.
1 on the dash Ã¨ngine preheat and one in the galley area `webasto
The eng. preheat turns on the webasto switch.(ie ligts it up)

The manual is quoted here::
Normal operation..........
......
After the ignition period (about 10 sec) ,the ignitor shuts off, and the burner
continues to operate. The heater will operate until all the zone thermostats are
satisfied,or until the heater reaches its normal operating temp. of 180
degrees. Once the normal operating temp is reached the burner itself will cycle
off and the combustion fan will operate for an additional 2 minutes to purge the
burner. If a zone thermostat, domestic hot water aquistat ,or engine heat
exchanger aquistat is not satisfied, the circulation pump will continue to
operate.If a thermostat cannot be satisfied by the residual heat in the system,
and the water temp drops, the burner will restart and cycle until all the
thermostats are satisfied. Once the thermostats are satisfied,the heater will go
through its 2 minute purge, and the circulation pump will ease. The circ pump
will operate if the remote switch and any thermostats or the domestic aquistat
are on.The circulating pump will
be activated independently by the engine heat aquistat.

When driving, I get no heat unless I turn on the webasto. When I pull off the
highway with the engine running, the webasto burner cycles. Perhaps the circ
pump doesn`t come on independantly as suggested above.
By the above description, I think the circ pump should shut down occasionally --
better for dry camping.
Does anyone have it operate this way.

Ross

----- Original Message ----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 9:42:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re: dry camping)

I guess that is what I was trying to say. Not matter the
configuration, if hot water is not moving it is not possible to have continuous
hydronic or radiant heat. Well stated Pete.

Leroy Eckert

1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors

Dahlonega , GA

Royale Conversion

Pete Masterson wrote: When I'm
going over the road, I turn off the "hydronic heat" switch

on the dash board. That keeps the burner from running, but the

circulation pumps still pump as I'm able to turn on the thermostats

and get heat from the A-H using engine heat only. This is one of

those non-intuitive Blue Bird "secret" (otherwise non-documented)

facts. I hate to admit this, but I only discovered this recently. But

I only recently discovered that the Engine Pre-Heat uses the AquaHot

to heat the engine. In my case both the "pre-heat" and the "hydronic

heat" switches must be on for it to work.

At least, it's how it works with my system.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

aeonix1@mac. com

On the road at Golden Colorado

On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Ross MacKillop wrote:

> Hi,

> With your experience with Aquahot. I'm a newbi.

> When dry camping -Start aquihot with both thermoststs and hot

> water calling for heat. Burner runs as does recirc. pump. The

> burner may cycle on and off. After a time the Therms are satisfied

> as is the hot water. IMy recirc pump keeps running, Shouldn't it

> shut off until the therms or WH calls?

>

> 2nd question-- When on the road- engine hot- my burner comes

> on- I think it should not as the engine coolant should be

> sufficient. The manual says that the recirc pump will run until the

> retained engine heat is depleted. I think there may be another

> recirc pump from the engine for this purpose.

>

> 2006 450 LXi

> Ross macKillop

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: p_a_lazar

> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:42:29 PM

> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re: dry

> camping)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Pete et all,

>

>

>

> I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times

>

> pertaining to fuel usage.

>

>

>

> The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY

>

> burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.

>

> BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't

>

> give any thought to fuel consumption.

>

>

>

> I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,

>

> only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3 months

>

> (an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days

>

> of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.

>

>

>

> Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself, but it

>

> *really* doesn't use much fuel.

>

>

>

> Paul 97wb43

>

>

>

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Pete Masterson

>

>

> wrote:

>

>>

>

>> The all-electric 'Bird has AquaHot heat. Uses a Webasto burner to

>

>> burn diesel -- about 1/2 gal per hour when the burner is operating.

>

>> For low-demand use, it has a 2000 watt electric heating element that

>

>> operates with shore power or the generator. The AquaHot is a great

>

>> hydronic heating system. It also heats the engine water. I switched

>

>> on the engine pre-heat at about 5 this AM and when I started up at

>

>> about 8:30, the engine kicked over like it was a 95 degree day --

>

>> only it was 31 degrees outside having reached a low of 26 during the

>

>> early morning hours in Lubbock. The AquaHot also provides

>

>> _continuous_ hot water for domestic purposes (think shower). You

>

>> never run out of hot water, but if the source water is really cold,

>

>> it can get a bit less than ideally hot toward the tail end of a

>

>> shower. (Hint: use your onboard tank, it's usually warmer than ground

>

>> water.)

>

>>

>

>> You don't need the generator or shore power for the AquaHot -- but

>

>> you do pay for the diesel. The advantage is that you gotta fill the

>

>> tank anyway, so it's no extra trouble (there is a small Racor filter,

>

>> but it's never given any trouble and gets an annual replacement) .

>

>>

>

>> Of course, with diesel at $3.39/gal at some stations I saw today

>

>> (Flying J in Amarillo was $3.21) it now costs about $1.60 to $1.80

>

>> per hour to operate the Webasto burner.

>

>>

>

>> Pete Masterson

>

>> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

>

>> aeonix1@...

>

>> On the road at Lamar Colorado after a long day from Lubbock...

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:

>

>>

>

>>> I had no idea that there even was an RV of any type that did not

>>> have

>

>>> propane tanks? Guess that shows how out of touch I am. How about

>

>>> heat in cold conditions? I guess you would certainly be running the

>

>>> generator then? I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.

>

>>> Gasoline or propane. Makes not a lot of difference?

>

>>> John Heckman

>

>>> central Pa

>

>>> 1973 FC

>

>>>

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>>>

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12-05-2007, 04:31

Hi Ross,

First a warning.....

Do NOT run your engine with the preheat switch on as they are bucking
each other. The preheat circ pump wants to pump heated coolant to the
engine and the engine pump wants to heat the water heater.

As to the circ pump, if I am not mistaken, you do not actually have an
AH, but a Webasto and system installed by BB. The AH circ pump only
operates when heat is called for or the preheat is used.

I would call BB and ask them about the proper operation of the
Webasto, if in fact you don't have an AH.

Paul
97wb43

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ross MacKillop
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Very confusing.
> I have 2 switches only.
> 1 on the dash Ã¨ngine preheat and one in the galley area `webasto
> The eng. preheat turns on the webasto switch.(ie ligts it up)
>
> The manual is quoted here::
> Normal operation..........
> ......
> After the ignition period (about 10 sec) ,the ignitor shuts off, and
the burner continues to operate. The heater will operate until all the
zone thermostats are satisfied,or until the heater reaches its normal
operating temp. of 180 degrees. Once the normal operating temp is
reached the burner itself will cycle off and the combustion fan will
operate for an additional 2 minutes to purge the burner. If a zone
thermostat, domestic hot water aquistat ,or engine heat exchanger
aquistat is not satisfied, the circulation pump will continue to
operate.If a thermostat cannot be satisfied by the residual heat in
the system, and the water temp drops, the burner will restart and
cycle until all the thermostats are satisfied. Once the thermostats
are satisfied,the heater will go through its 2 minute purge, and the
circulation pump will ease. The circ pump will operate if the remote
switch and any thermostats or the domestic aquistat are on.The
circulating pump will
> be activated independently by the engine heat aquistat.
>
> When driving, I get no heat unless I turn on the webasto. When I
pull off the highway with the engine running, the webasto burner
cycles. Perhaps the circ pump doesn`t come on independantly as
suggested above.
> By the above description, I think the circ pump should shut down
occasionally -- better for dry camping.
> Does anyone have it operate this way.
>
> Ross
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Leroy Eckert
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 9:42:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re:
dry camping)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I guess that is what I was trying to say. Not matter the
configuration, if hot water is not moving it is not possible to have
continuous hydronic or radiant heat. Well stated Pete.
>
> Leroy Eckert
>
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
>
> Dahlonega , GA
>
> Royale Conversion
>
>
>
> Pete Masterson wrote:
When I'm going over the road, I turn off the "hydronic heat" switch
>
> on the dash board. That keeps the burner from running, but the
>
> circulation pumps still pump as I'm able to turn on the thermostats
>
> and get heat from the A-H using engine heat only. This is one of
>
> those non-intuitive Blue Bird "secret" (otherwise non-documented)
>
> facts. I hate to admit this, but I only discovered this recently. But
>
> I only recently discovered that the Engine Pre-Heat uses the AquaHot
>
> to heat the engine. In my case both the "pre-heat" and the "hydronic
>
> heat" switches must be on for it to work.
>
>
>
> At least, it's how it works with my system.
>
>
>
> Pete Masterson
>
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
>
> aeonix1@mac. com
>
> On the road at Golden Colorado
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Ross MacKillop wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > With your experience with Aquahot. I'm a newbi.
>
> > When dry camping -Start aquihot with both thermoststs and hot
>
> > water calling for heat. Burner runs as does recirc. pump. The
>
> > burner may cycle on and off. After a time the Therms are satisfied
>
> > as is the hot water. IMy recirc pump keeps running, Shouldn't it
>
> > shut off until the therms or WH calls?
>
> >
>
> > 2nd question-- When on the road- engine hot- my burner comes
>
> > on- I think it should not as the engine coolant should be
>
> > sufficient. The manual says that the recirc pump will run until the
>
> > retained engine heat is depleted. I think there may be another
>
> > recirc pump from the engine for this purpose.
>
> >
>
> > 2006 450 LXi
>
> > Ross macKillop
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: p_a_lazar
>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 5:42:29 PM
>
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Aqua Hot fuel consumption (was Re: dry
>
> > camping)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Pete et all,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have seen erroneous postings about the Aqua Hot numerous times
>
> >
>
> > pertaining to fuel usage.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The Aqua Hot under 100% duty cycle (running 24 hrs a day) will ONLY
>
> >
>
> > burn 3 gals a day, NOT 1/2 gal an hour like a generator.
>
> >
>
> > BUT, since it couldn't possibly run that much, you really shouldn't
>
> >
>
> > give any thought to fuel consumption.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have had an Aqua Hot in my last two coaches and NEVER winterize,
>
> >
>
> > only use the AH. Last winter, when I didn't use the coach for 3
months
>
> >
>
> > (an all time first for me LOL) I used 100 gals of diesel over 90 days
>
> >
>
> > of use with temps between 10-30 degrees.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Don't just take my word for it, call them and ask for yourself,
but it
>
> >
>
> > *really* doesn't use much fuel.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Paul 97wb43
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Pete Masterson
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >> The all-electric 'Bird has AquaHot heat. Uses a Webasto burner to
>
> >
>
> >> burn diesel -- about 1/2 gal per hour when the burner is operating.
>
> >
>
> >> For low-demand use, it has a 2000 watt electric heating element that
>
> >
>
> >> operates with shore power or the generator. The AquaHot is a great
>
> >
>
> >> hydronic heating system. It also heats the engine water. I switched
>
> >
>
> >> on the engine pre-heat at about 5 this AM and when I started up at
>
> >
>
> >> about 8:30, the engine kicked over like it was a 95 degree day --
>
> >
>
> >> only it was 31 degrees outside having reached a low of 26 during the
>
> >
>
> >> early morning hours in Lubbock. The AquaHot also provides
>
> >
>
> >> _continuous_ hot water for domestic purposes (think shower). You
>
> >
>
> >> never run out of hot water, but if the source water is really cold,
>
> >
>
> >> it can get a bit less than ideally hot toward the tail end of a
>
> >
>
> >> shower. (Hint: use your onboard tank, it's usually warmer than
ground
>
> >
>
> >> water.)
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >> You don't need the generator or shore power for the AquaHot -- but
>
> >
>
> >> you do pay for the diesel. The advantage is that you gotta fill the
>
> >
>
> >> tank anyway, so it's no extra trouble (there is a small Racor
filter,
>
> >
>
> >> but it's never given any trouble and gets an annual replacement) .
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >> Of course, with diesel at $3.39/gal at some stations I saw today
>
> >
>
> >> (Flying J in Amarillo was $3.21) it now costs about $1.60 to $1.80
>
> >
>
> >> per hour to operate the Webasto burner.
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >> Pete Masterson
>
> >
>
> >> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
>
> >
>
> >> aeonix1@
>
> >
>
> >> On the road at Lamar Colorado after a long day from Lubbock...
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >>> I had no idea that there even was an RV of any type that did not
>
> >>> have
>
> >
>
> >>> propane tanks? Guess that shows how out of touch I am. How about
>
> >
>
> >>> heat in cold conditions? I guess you would certainly be
running the
>
> >
>
> >>> generator then? I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
>
> >
>
> >>> Gasoline or propane. Makes not a lot of difference?
>
> >
>
> >>> John Heckman
>
> >
>
> >>> central Pa
>
> >
>
> >>> 1973 FC
>
> >
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