12V dies when starter removed?

[Greg Young]

Hi everybody -

Our starter died over the weekend and we pulled it out this morning. In so doing, I turned off the 12V system via the under-dash switch, then disconnected the batteries so there was no chance of shock in removing the starter. Reconnected the batteries, turned the dash switch back on, and... nothing. The inverter is still seeing the batteries and charging them, but none of the 12V systems have any juice. Is there something else I was supposed to do? Will 12V come magically back when the starter is replaced? Any other ideas?

Thanks!
Greg Young
1986 PT40 "Bluefire"
Escondido, CA
(760) 807-1727

[kb9bg]

Check for solid ground connections (had
same problem on 85 PT40 some time back-ground to frame was not good-was solid to
the feel for tight connection=BUT not a good ground- Thus, filed & ground
to verify connections= all well)

[i]Regards[/i]

[b]Gregg W. Kizer[/b]

96 WBSD ‘42

New Castle, IN

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From:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008
1:21 AM

To: Wanderlodge Forum

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 12V
dies when starter removed?

Hi everybody -



Our starter died over the weekend and we pulled it out this morning. In
so doing, I turned off the 12V system via the under-dash switch, then
disconnected the batteries so there was no chance of shock in removing the
starter. Reconnected the batteries, turned the dash switch back on,
and... nothing. The inverter is still seeing the batteries and charging
them, but none of the 12V systems have any juice. Is there something else
I was supposed to do? Will 12V come magically back when the starter is
replaced? Any other ideas?



Thanks!

Greg Young

1986 PT40 "Bluefire"

Escondido, CA

(760) 807-1727

[Donald Watson]

Greg, Is it possible that one of the cables you disconnected from the
starter was actually a feed to the dash switch? I know my FC is 9 years
older than your PT, but the design engineers might have been the same. My
coach house is powered via the positive starter terminal, disconnecting
power to the house when I removed the cables from the starter. I had to
temporarily connect these cables with a bolt, washer and nut remembering to
insulate with tape in order to get power to my rotary dash switch while the
starter was removed.

Donn
76FC33
South Kingstown, RI


From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:21 AM
To: Wanderlodge Forum
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 12V dies when starter removed?

Hi everybody -

Our starter died over the weekend and we pulled it out this morning. In so
doing, I turned off the 12V system via the under-dash switch, then
disconnected the batteries so there was no chance of shock in removing the
starter. Reconnected the batteries, turned the dash switch back on, and...
nothing. The inverter is still seeing the batteries and charging them, but
none of the 12V systems have any juice. Is there something else I was
supposed to do? Will 12V come magically back when the starter is replaced?
Any other ideas?

Thanks!
Greg Young
1986 PT40 "Bluefire"
Escondido, CA
(760) 807-1727

[Gregory OConnor]

Greg, Like Donn said, be sure to insulate the bare starter cable from
any contact while starter is out.

I wonder if the AT switch operates a solenoid??? and that solenoid
lost coil power and needs to be offed/oned (turn off then back on).
The AT switch is on the dash. AT = antitheft. Check the bare wire
first, one atribute of AT off is no starter power.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

[Greg Young]

Hmmm Wouldn't be surprised if this is true. New starter's coming today, and since the fridge decided it was OK without 12V I'm going to wait for its return. Thanks for the insight - it's what I imagined might be the case.

Greg

----- Original Message ----
From: Donald Watson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:38:13 AM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] 12V dies when starter removed?

Greg, Is it possible that one of the cables you disconnected from the

starter was actually a feed to the dash switch? I know my FC is 9 years

older than your PT, but the design engineers might have been the same. My

coach house is powered via the positive starter terminal, disconnecting

power to the house when I removed the cables from the starter. I had to

temporarily connect these cables with a bolt, washer and nut remembering to

insulate with tape in order to get power to my rotary dash switch while the

starter was removed.



Donn

76FC33

South Kingstown, RI



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[mailto:"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of Greg Young

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:21 AM

To: Wanderlodge Forum

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 12V dies when starter removed?



Hi everybody -



Our starter died over the weekend and we pulled it out this morning. In so

doing, I turned off the 12V system via the under-dash switch, then

disconnected the batteries so there was no chance of shock in removing the

starter. Reconnected the batteries, turned the dash switch back on, and...

nothing. The inverter is still seeing the batteries and charging them, but

none of the 12V systems have any juice. Is there something else I was

supposed to do? Will 12V come magically back when the starter is replaced?

Any other ideas?



Thanks!

Greg Young

1986 PT40 "Bluefire"

Escondido, CA

(760) 807-1727

[sfedeli3]

Greg,

In its original configuration, all 12V circuits on the '85 PT40's were
supplied via the stud on the starter. Some, including myself, have
installed another supply line from the battery bank to the charger
compartment, where most of the 12V distribution takes place, and
bypassed this stud. You will probably have to reinstall the starter or
install the bypass cable (4/0 min. size) to get around the stud and
power the coach circuits.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA
(Quartzsite Rally for now)

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Greg Yo tung wrote:
>
> Hi everybody -
>
> Our starter died over the weekend and we pulled it out this morning.
In so doing, I turned off the 12V system via the under-dash switch,
then disconnected the batteries so there was no chance of shock in
removing the starter. Reconnected the batteries, turned the dash
switch back on, and... nothing. The inverter is still seeing the
batteries and charging them, but none of the 12V systems have any
juice. Is there something else I was supposed to do? Will 12V come
magically back when the starter is replaced? Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks!
> Greg Young
> 1986 PT40 "Bluefire"
> Escondido, CA
> (760) 807-1727
>

[Greg Young]

Hey Shane - That sounds pretty definitive and explains our experience. We're supposed to have the new starter tomorrow so I'll just wait for that. We've got 110 and brought in some lights for tonight, so we're fine. Thank you very much!

Greg

----- Original Message ----
From: sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...>
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:35:37 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 12V dies when starter removed?

Greg,



In its original configuration, all 12V circuits on the '85 PT40's were

supplied via the stud on the starter. Some, including myself, have

installed another supply line from the battery bank to the charger

compartment, where most of the 12V distribution takes place, and

bypassed this stud. You will probably have to reinstall the starter or

install the bypass cable (4/0 min. size) to get around the stud and

power the coach circuits.



Shane Fedeli

85PT40

Hershey, PA

(Quartzsite Rally for now)



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Greg Yo tung wrote:

>

> Hi everybody -

>

> Our starter died over the weekend and we pulled it out this morning.

In so doing, I turned off the 12V system via the under-dash switch,

then disconnected the batteries so there was no chance of shock in

removing the starter. Reconnected the batteries, turned the dash

switch back on, and... nothing. The inverter is still seeing the

batteries and charging them, but none of the 12V systems have any

juice. Is there something else I was supposed to do? Will 12V come

magically back when the starter is replaced? Any other ideas?

>

> Thanks!

> Greg Young

> 1986 PT40 "Bluefire"

> Escondido, CA

> (760) 807-1727

>

[Gregory OConnor]

Greg, quite often starter motor damage is a result of cranking the
engine to a start on low charged batteries. what was the price for
the reman starter?

I use a company in Riverside called "Riverside altinator". A Big
diesel starter rebuild is $185.00 to $250.00. I take them starters
that show signs of problems via a bench test (hard to push start a
dump truck). In a bench test you read the amp draw. Other shops
charge $100.00 less but I dont think they even rebench test the
completed product.

Riverside Altinator Arnie 951-354-2373

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Greg Young
wrote:
>
> Hey Shane - That sounds pretty definitive and explains our
experience. We're supposed to have the new starter tomorrow so I'll
just wait for that. We've got 110 and brought in some lights for
tonight, so we're fine. Thank you very much!
>
> Greg
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:35:37 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 12V dies when starter removed?
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> Greg,
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> In its original configuration, all 12V circuits on the '85 PT40's
were
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> supplied via the stud on the starter. Some, including myself, have
>
> installed another supply line from the battery bank to the charger
>
> compartment, where most of the 12V distribution takes place, and
>
> bypassed this stud. You will probably have to reinstall the
starter or
>
> install the bypass cable (4/0 min. size) to get around the stud and
>
> power the coach circuits.
>
>
>
> Shane Fedeli
>
> 85PT40
>
> Hershey, PA
>
> (Quartzsite Rally for now)
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Greg Yo tung
wrote:
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> >
>
> > Hi everybody -
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> >
>
> > Our starter died over the weekend and we pulled it out this
morning.
>
> In so doing, I turned off the 12V system via the under-dash
switch,
>
> then disconnected the batteries so there was no chance of shock in
>
> removing the starter. Reconnected the batteries, turned the dash
>
> switch back on, and... nothing. The inverter is still seeing the
>
> batteries and charging them, but none of the 12V systems have any
>
> juice. Is there something else I was supposed to do? Will 12V come
>
> magically back when the starter is replaced? Any other ideas?
>
> >
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > Greg Young
>
> > 1986 PT40 "Bluefire"
>
> > Escondido, CA
>
> > (760) 807-1727
>
> >
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[Greg Young]

Hey Gregory -

Batteries are in good shape - were replaced a few months ago and have been almost continually under charge from inverter/charger since. However, the damage could have been building over time.

I was quoted $450 for the reman. I was also quoted $900 for a new one, so that seemed a bargain. I hope I'm not paying through the nose - it wouldn't be the first time. Thanks for the referral to the shop in Riverside... I really don't want to start all over at this point as we should have the replacement in this morning.

Thanks again!
Greg

----- Original Message ----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:28:38 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 12V dies when starter removed?

Greg, quite often starter motor damage is a result of cranking the

engine to a start on low charged batteries. what was the price for

the reman starter?



I use a company in Riverside called "Riverside altinator". A Big

diesel starter rebuild is $185.00 to $250.00. I take them starters

that show signs of problems via a bench test (hard to push start a

dump truck). In a bench test you read the amp draw. Other shops

charge $100.00 less but I dont think they even rebench test the

completed product.



Riverside Altinator Arnie 951-354-2373



GregoryO'Connor

94ptRomolandCa



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Greg Young

wrote:

>

> Hey Shane - That sounds pretty definitive and explains our

experience. We're supposed to have the new starter tomorrow so I'll

just wait for that. We've got 110 and brought in some lights for

tonight, so we're fine. Thank you very much!

>

> Greg

>