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03-05-2008, 03:16
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Hoss, hopefully the seller is not a forum member. Don't feel like you are alone. Brenda and I did the same thing 10 years ago. It was a DOA coach from the beginning. Worse- we had to go to lunch with the seller to discuss his perfect coach. Took me a case of Tums to get over that meal.
Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston, Montana It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. |
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03-05-2008, 04:48
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What a disaster! Found what was described as a "very good
condition" FC-35 for sale just a few hours from our house in Florida. Talked to the owner who confirmed the nice condition of the coach and sent pictures. All looked great. So, I pack the not-so-excited wife and kids into the car for a 2.5 hour drive to see the coach. Well, let's just say it will be a LONG time before I will be able to convince the wife to look at another. Turns out the pictures are a few years old. The coach is effectively left-for-dead at some super low rent consignment dealer. Actually all the other units for sale on the lot were junky. The thing was a disaster. After *expressly* asking the seller about rust (assured there was none), found the thing to be a lump of rust. The body, the frame, the racks, etc. The interior was falling apart and full of mildew. A wreck. Drove home 2.5 hours with an angry family. PLEASE, I beg of you, if you are selling, PLEASE do not mislead your prospective buyers. They will certainly discover all your lies in due time. And, with today's gas prices, there is a non-trivial cost to come for an inspection. Let's hope I can convince the wife to keep looking... Hoss |
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03-05-2008, 07:57
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Hoss,
Please do not dispare most owners do not misrepresent their Birds. Ask the group about any birds you are looking at if we have any info we will share itwith you. There may be a member nearby that could give it a walk through and save you a trip.And remember if the deal sounds to good it is probably bad.
Keep looking don't get the fever take you time this is a big investment. You will be much happier with a well maintained coach than one you have to spend 10,000.00 to 15,000.00 dollars on.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40
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03-05-2008, 09:00
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Sounds like the real error was bringing along the wife and family. With 20/20 hindsight, it might have been better to take the trip on your own to check out the vehicle first -- then, if it was really good, put a small 'hold' deposit and bring the family for final approval. As you found, they're very willing to let you know if it _isn't_ satisfactory!
There's no way to avoid the unscrupulous seller. It amazes me that someone might think lying about the condition of a vehicle might result in a sale if it is obvious that it isn't what it's represented to be. But, common sense isn't always exhibited by quite a few folks.
Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 El Sobrante CA "aeonix1@mac.com" On Mar 5, 2008, at 8:48 AM, ho5s wrote:
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03-05-2008, 09:12
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"What a disaster! Found what was described as a "very good
condition" .... All looked great...Turns out the pictures are a few years old." This reminds me of a few Match.Com experiences I had before I met Lisa! When we started looking for a Bird we drove a couple hours to see a 1992 PT40. This was after seeing photos and having a detailed conversation with the seller. It was advertised as "you won't find a nicer 92 anywhere". When we arrived we almost did not get out of the car. I'm too polite Although the interior seemd pretty good, the outside was a real mess. Paint was terrible, all tires badly rotted, batteries leaking onto rusted trays all gaskets dried out and on and on it must have been rotting in a back yard for some time.... seriously, I think the seller was delusional. Bill 1983 FC 35 "Coach" --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ho5s" > > > What a disaster! Found what was described as a "very good > condition" FC-35 for sale just a few hours from our house in Florida. > Talked to the owner who confirmed the nice condition of the coach and > sent pictures. All looked great. > > So, I pack the not-so-excited wife and kids into the car for a 2.5 > hour drive to see the coach. Well, let's just say it will be a LONG > time before I will be able to convince the wife to look at another. > > Turns out the pictures are a few years old. The coach is > effectively left-for-dead at some super low rent consignment dealer. > Actually all the other units for sale on the lot were junky. The > thing was a disaster. After *expressly* asking the seller about rust > (assured there was none), found the thing to be a lump of rust. The > body, the frame, the racks, etc. The interior was falling apart and > full of mildew. A wreck. > > Drove home 2.5 hours with an angry family. > > PLEASE, I beg of you, if you are selling, PLEASE do not mislead your > prospective buyers. They will certainly discover all your lies in due > time. And, with today's gas prices, there is a non-trivial cost to > come for an inspection. > > Let's hope I can convince the wife to keep looking... > > Hoss > |
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03-05-2008, 10:00
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When I found an ad for the 77FC35 we bought I drove out the first time with two of my boys but not with my wife in tow, just to verify it wasn't a hunk of junk.
I paid $18K and i've spent about $8K so far in repairs, but the engine/transmission/drivetrain didn't need anything, it runs great. I feel pretty happy with what I have for $26K so far Dorn Hetzel 77FC35 Hogansville, GA On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Bill Garamella <"billgaramella@yahoo.com"> wrote:
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03-05-2008, 10:53
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The first Blue Bird I checked out was a Wanderlodge II. I just about wrote off Wanderlodge entirely after that experience.
My coach should be up on Traderonline in the next day or two. Loading the pics has been a big hassle. BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...
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03-05-2008, 12:11
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Hello Hoss,
I had to look at a long list of rigs in 2000 before I found one that I thought was the right one for us. It was a Wanderlodge II found just South of Chicago and we still have it 8 years later and are happy owners. A lot of factors involved in finding the right combination of features/condition/price that fits your needs and situation. I encourage you and the wife to hang in there until you find the one for you. FC's are good coaches, including the Wanderlodge II's. They offer low front end cost, better mileage than larger coaches and a quality motor home experience for the first timer. You wouldn't shop for a new car with the expectation that you're going to buy the first one you see. Motor homes are at least 4-5 times more complex than a car so take your time and learn what's out there before you make your decision. Eric in San Antonio 84FC35SBWL2 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ho5s" > > > What a disaster! Found what was described as a "very good > condition" FC-35 for sale just a few hours from our house in Florida. > Talked to the owner who confirmed the nice condition of the coach and > sent pictures. All looked great. > > So, I pack the not-so-excited wife and kids into the car for a 2.5 > hour drive to see the coach. Well, let's just say it will be a LONG > time before I will be able to convince the wife to look at another. > > Turns out the pictures are a few years old. The coach is > effectively left-for-dead at some super low rent consignment dealer. > Actually all the other units for sale on the lot were junky. The > thing was a disaster. After *expressly* asking the seller about rust > (assured there was none), found the thing to be a lump of rust. The > body, the frame, the racks, etc. The interior was falling apart and > full of mildew. A wreck. > > Drove home 2.5 hours with an angry family. > > PLEASE, I beg of you, if you are selling, PLEASE do not mislead your > prospective buyers. They will certainly discover all your lies in due > time. And, with today's gas prices, there is a non-trivial cost to > come for an inspection. > > Let's hope I can convince the wife to keep looking... > > Hoss > |
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03-05-2008, 14:59
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Hoss,
You hit it on the head "Low rent consignment dealers", are the worst. Ebay ads are the worst yet & put the two together your screwed. I see ads almost on a daily basis which describe the perfect machine and they are far from perfect and most need $10K or more to be perfect if there is such a thing. I too had to drag my wife screaming to look at another bird, but after several bad eggs we did find the perfect bird. Or should I say she found the perfct bird, she's happy & I've got my dream bird & I found a cure of a 10 year obsession. Good luck, just wait she'll find it. John 88FC35 Louisville, KY |
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03-05-2008, 18:32
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Pete Masterson
> > Sounds like the real error was bringing along the wife and family. I second that. Of course, had the seller not been a lying scumbag (I'm being polite), Hoss's decision would have been fine. I flew my wife, two kids and my dog all the way down to Texas for my coach. Thankfully I was dealing with a reputable seller and the coach was in excellent condition, exactly as described and we were all very happy. It's a good thing, too: Imagine, for a moment, you get up at five in the morning; spend several hours in the air, plus 13 hours stuck in the Phoenix airport, with two children, a wife and a dog, finally landing in DFW well after midnight. You call every hotel imaginable and they're all full, since the tornado that delayed your flight also delayed every other and now a whole barrage of aircraft have landed at once and weary travelers have packed the hotels. Finally, you find an available hotel but they don't allow pets. You book the room anyway and sneak the dog in, since you don't exactly have a choice in the matter. Oh, and the driver who takes you to the hotel rips you off, $40 for a 15 minute ride. By the time you get checked in, get the kids settled down, etc, it's 3 in the morning and you're lucky to get 4 hours of sleep, then it's time to get up, find some breakfast, and hook up with your ride. Now imagine the coach is junk. Oh, and you spent $1,200 on one way airfare. And your ride from the airport hotel was the guy selling the coach and he's not taking you back to the airport after you argue with him over the misrepresentation. So now you all get to figure a way home. Yeah, that's exactly my trip, except the "worst nightmare" last paragraph didn't happen. The guy from Mr. Oliver's picked us up from the hotel and everything was smooth as butter after that. We settled into our new coach and finally were able to relax and enjoy the experience and a huge thanks to Mr. Oliver's for their hospitality. They turned the experience right around for us. I'll tell you what though, the nightmare of that final paragraph was going through my head non-stop from the time I made the offer until we saw the coach in person. My wife was already just luke-warm on the whole idea to begin with, and was ready to go home after the first couple of hours stuck in Phoenix. If the last bit had come true she'd have never come along on another - ever. If I were to do this again, I'd definitely go down alone, then fly the family down after I checked the coach out. Although all turned out well, it could have been a disaster had we been dealing with someone else. It also would have been infinitely easier to outfit the coach by myself (we went to Costco and Kohls and a few other stores and loaded up on bedding, towels, food, toiletries, etc for our two week journey home). Also, the dog stays home next time, too. That was probably the worst decision of the whole trip. It was hard on both him and us. -Ryan '86 PT-40 8V92 |
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