8v92 will not crank

[erniecarpet@...]

Scott- I bet that after a period of time trying to take the starter off and lying on your back amid the grit and grime- 500 pounds would feel every once of it. Hope it is a ground that is gone bad for you.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Montana

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[Mike McMahan]

Scott, You have been given good advice by the group so far. If none
of these help, the starter soelnoid is mounted on the inner frame
rail on the passenger side of the coach back by the starter. If
memory serves me correctly there is two soelnoids tied together in
the circuit. My first guess is a bad ground. Open the hood, stand
by the rear of the coach while someone else tries to start it and see
if you hear anything. If the grounds are all clean and tight check
the large power post on the starter. Check not only the bolted
connection but the tightness of the ctimp attaching the wore to the
eyelet that fastens to the starter. I have seen several instances of
the connection failing. Hope this helps. Mike mcMahan 1996 42"
Wanderlodge


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Clean all your cable connections and then put a charger on the coach
> for an hour. Try starting then. It will not start if the engine
does
> not spin at a good rate and it sounds like your batteries are down.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > It's in neautral. A/T is not switched. I do not have a key that
> > fits the rear ign switch.
> >
> > When I went out this morning, the starter cranked initially, but
> > engine did not fire off. When I tried to crank again, it was
dead.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "amweath"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Will it start from the rear starting position? Another
possibility
> > > is the starter neutral switch.
> > >
> > > This is a shot in the dark. I had fueled up my PT36 and it
would
> > not It
> > > would not crank. I played with it for a couple hours sitting in
the
> > > fuel-up island. I was about to call a towing service. "I'll try
one
> > > more time".
> > > I looked at the gear selecter and saw it was not in neutral!
> > >
> > > You did check the A/T switch(anti theft switch)? That switch is
in
> > the
> > > start ckt.
> > >
> > > I hope your's is as simple.
> > >
> > >
> > > Art Weatherly
> > > Riverside Ca.
> > > '85 PT36
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My bus will not crank. Batteries are fine, when I turn the
key,
> > > > nothing. Battery gauges do not drop like they normally do
when
> > key
> > > is
> > > > turned to 'start'. Just drove the bus 2 days ago with no
> > problems.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect a loose/corroded connection, where should I begin
> > looking?
> > > > Where is the starter solenoid?
> > > >
> > > > Scott Forman
> > > > 86 PT38
> > > > Memphis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[sfedeli3]

Hi Scott,

Time to get greasy!!! I would check the voltage at the starter lug
before cranking. It needs to be at least 12.7 volts or you may have
weak battery issues. If that is OK, then try removing the cables on
the starter and cleaning the cable and ground lugs with some brake
cleaner, drying them and rubbing them with sandpaper. (did I say
you'll get greasy !!!) Also be sure to hold the bottom nut on the
starter stud while you loosen the cables or you may rotate the stud
and have some really fun problems- like removing the 550 pound
starter. I had my supply cable loosen bumping across I-44 in the
Missouri Ozarks. Did all this greasy stuff on the pavement at some
Cracker Barrel when the old girl would not start the next day. BTW- my
front door key (the Bargman one) fits the rear ignition switch nicely.
Give it a try.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@...> wrote:
>
> It's in neautral. A/T is not switched. I do not have a key that
> fits the rear ign switch.
>
> When I went out this morning, the starter cranked initially, but
> engine did not fire off. When I tried to crank again, it was dead.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "amweath"
> wrote:
> >
> > Will it start from the rear starting position? Another possibility
> > is the starter neutral switch.
> >
> > This is a shot in the dark. I had fueled up my PT36 and it would
> not It
> > would not crank. I played with it for a couple hours sitting in the
> > fuel-up island. I was about to call a towing service. "I'll try one
> > more time".
> > I looked at the gear selecter and saw it was not in neutral!
> >
> > You did check the A/T switch(anti theft switch)? That switch is in
> the
> > start ckt.
> >
> > I hope your's is as simple.
> >
> >
> > Art Weatherly
> > Riverside Ca.
> > '85 PT36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > My bus will not crank. Batteries are fine, when I turn the key,
> > > nothing. Battery gauges do not drop like they normally do when
> key
> > is
> > > turned to 'start'. Just drove the bus 2 days ago with no
> problems.
> > >
> > > I suspect a loose/corroded connection, where should I begin
> looking?
> > > Where is the starter solenoid?
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 86 PT38
> > > Memphis
> > >
> >
>

[Scott Forman]

550 pounds? You're exagerating, right? No way something that size
can weight 500 lbs...

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Time to get greasy!!! I would check the voltage at the starter
lug
> before cranking. It needs to be at least 12.7 volts or you may have
> weak battery issues. If that is OK, then try removing the cables on
> the starter and cleaning the cable and ground lugs with some brake
> cleaner, drying them and rubbing them with sandpaper. (did I say
> you'll get greasy !!!) Also be sure to hold the bottom nut on the
> starter stud while you loosen the cables or you may rotate the stud
> and have some really fun problems- like removing the 550 pound
> starter. I had my supply cable loosen bumping across I-44 in the
> Missouri Ozarks. Did all this greasy stuff on the pavement at some
> Cracker Barrel when the old girl would not start the next day. BTW-
my
> front door key (the Bargman one) fits the rear ignition switch
nicely.
> Give it a try.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> <sforman@> wrote:
> >
> > It's in neautral. A/T is not switched. I do not have a key that
> > fits the rear ign switch.
> >
> > When I went out this morning, the starter cranked initially, but
> > engine did not fire off. When I tried to crank again, it was
dead.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "amweath"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Will it start from the rear starting position? Another
possibility
> > > is the starter neutral switch.
> > >
> > > This is a shot in the dark. I had fueled up my PT36 and it
would
> > not It
> > > would not crank. I played with it for a couple hours sitting in
the
> > > fuel-up island. I was about to call a towing service. "I'll try
one
> > > more time".
> > > I looked at the gear selecter and saw it was not in neutral!
> > >
> > > You did check the A/T switch(anti theft switch)? That switch is
in
> > the
> > > start ckt.
> > >
> > > I hope your's is as simple.
> > >
> > >
> > > Art Weatherly
> > > Riverside Ca.
> > > '85 PT36
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My bus will not crank. Batteries are fine, when I turn the
key,
> > > > nothing. Battery gauges do not drop like they normally do
when
> > key
> > > is
> > > > turned to 'start'. Just drove the bus 2 days ago with no
> > problems.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect a loose/corroded connection, where should I begin
> > looking?
> > > > Where is the starter solenoid?
> > > >
> > > > Scott Forman
> > > > 86 PT38
> > > > Memphis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

If it wasnt bad, trying to spinn it with bad batteries or a lose
connection will kill it. Bad starters are usuly a result of trying to
spinn the engine to a start on weak batteries or bad connections.

If you remove the +lug cable and jump it to spinn with a set of
jumpercables attached to something like a fullsize dodge diesel
pickup. if it starts up, ( or spinns good) the start is not the issue
but the connections and or battery are.

We have a good rebuilder out here 'Riverside alternator' 951-354-
2373. these guys are worth the shipping. I bet he has a core or I
could round one up.

GregoryO'Connor
951-830-5997

[sfedeli3]

Yes, just kidding- probably around 80 pounds or so. You still want to
cradle it with a floor jack or something when you remove the mounting
bolts. I sure hope that it is a bad ground strap or lug. What you are
describing sounds alot like that. When my strap came loose, the wire
was supplying enough juice to engage the bendix relay and starter, but
not enough to spin the flywheel.

If you get into removing the starter, you should also replace the
power and ground straps with 4/0 cable. I think that BBird used
something like 1/0 gauge wire- They supplied power to all of the house
circuits and the starter through that stud on the starter and then up
to another stud on a shunt in the rediline compartment. There is no
way that a 1/0 cable can handle that much current- especially if you
add an inverter or use the rediline on occasion.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@...>
wrote:
>
> 550 pounds? You're exagerating, right? No way something that size
> can weight 500 lbs...
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > Time to get greasy!!! I would check the voltage at the starter
> lug
> > before cranking. It needs to be at least 12.7 volts or you may have
> > weak battery issues. If that is OK, then try removing the cables on
> > the starter and cleaning the cable and ground lugs with some brake
> > cleaner, drying them and rubbing them with sandpaper. (did I say
> > you'll get greasy !!!) Also be sure to hold the bottom nut on the
> > starter stud while you loosen the cables or you may rotate the stud
> > and have some really fun problems- like removing the 550 pound
> > starter. I had my supply cable loosen bumping across I-44 in the
> > Missouri Ozarks. Did all this greasy stuff on the pavement at some
> > Cracker Barrel when the old girl would not start the next day. BTW-
> my
> > front door key (the Bargman one) fits the rear ignition switch
> nicely.
> > Give it a try.
> >
> > Shane Fedeli
> > 85PT40
> > Hershey, PA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> > <sforman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in neautral. A/T is not switched. I do not have a key that
> > > fits the rear ign switch.
> > >
> > > When I went out this morning, the starter cranked initially, but
> > > engine did not fire off. When I tried to crank again, it was
> dead.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "amweath"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Will it start from the rear starting position? Another
> possibility
> > > > is the starter neutral switch.
> > > >
> > > > This is a shot in the dark. I had fueled up my PT36 and it
> would
> > > not It
> > > > would not crank. I played with it for a couple hours sitting in
> the
> > > > fuel-up island. I was about to call a towing service. "I'll try
> one
> > > > more time".
> > > > I looked at the gear selecter and saw it was not in neutral!
> > > >
> > > > You did check the A/T switch(anti theft switch)? That switch is
> in
> > > the
> > > > start ckt.
> > > >
> > > > I hope your's is as simple.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Art Weatherly
> > > > Riverside Ca.
> > > > '85 PT36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> <sforman@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My bus will not crank. Batteries are fine, when I turn the
> key,
> > > > > nothing. Battery gauges do not drop like they normally do
> when
> > > key
> > > > is
> > > > > turned to 'start'. Just drove the bus 2 days ago with no
> > > problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect a loose/corroded connection, where should I begin
> > > looking?
> > > > > Where is the starter solenoid?
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott Forman
> > > > > 86 PT38
> > > > > Memphis
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>