88' 8v92 NC 50grand

[David Brady]

Bruce,



The only one's obsessed with the value of BB's are the buyers

on this board looking to steal a bird. As far as the newer birds

being of lesser quality, well, that sounds like sour grapes to me.



Best regards,

David

'02 LXi, NC



birdshill123 wrote:

I will be the discenter(sp) in this discussion. Why are so many BB


owners so uptight on the value of their Bird. If you are not going to

sell it does not matter if it is worth a million or one peso! These

are not investment grade works of art. As for those who somehow

think their 8 year old Brd is worth 50% of new. Dream on. To quote

the sales mfgr. of a large rv dealership: Big Iron is not selling.

They are giving very little for trades and some dealers are selling

DP's at a loss. The market value for many MH's has dropped 20 % in

just a few months. These are not BB's but as others have mentioned BB

buyers are few and far between. The factory has a couple of units

that have been there a long time with no takers. Same with Bleakely.

Of course they want way too much. I just gave up looking for another

Bird because the sellers, especially some private sellers are

expecting huge returns. $325 for a one slide 2001 LXI is ridiculous.

$175 for a nice ( not extra nice) 98 LXI is also way too high. The

market has just begun to drop for RV's and will drop even further

this summer. All this being said there are very good reasons for

buying a BB. But they do not appeal to everyone. If one has to be

convinced to buy a Bird they are not true BB people. A real potential

BB owner should see the quality right away. Nothing else deserves a

comparison. Period! I will add this: After looking at 98 and up

units: They pale beside the other 90's units. I think the quality

lessened. I saw design and build flaws on some units that do not

exist on the pre 98's. The newer they are the worse they are. That is

my opinion.



Bruce

1988 FC35

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[Ryan Wright]

Don,

> I think it would be
> a terrible mistake for a BB owner to think that they are in strong
> competition with the thousands of SOBs out there in the same price range. We
> own a niche product that is highly desired by a small number of people,
> period.

Exactly. It's a specialty product and it commands a specialty price.
That being said, my coach was 1/3rd the cost of a new SOB and oh so
much better. I've been in enough low six figure new and nearly new
coaches to know exactly what I'm not missing. A fancy looking mobile
home on wheels, no thanks. Give me a half million dollar coach over
that any day - well used so I can afford it, of course. As far as I'm
concerned a good old Wanderlodge is the best value in a motorcoach,
period. Why anyone buys new SOBs, I'll never understand.

J R,

> I asked a question, what will it be worth in 5 -10 years.

Nobody knows, but the truth is, it doesn't matter. An RV is not an
investment. Never has been, never will be, you're going to lose money.
You know this, of course, but my opinion is, it's best to just forget
any idea of "what will it be worth later on?" It doesn't matter. It's
a toy. You buy it under the assumption it will be worth zero when
you're done with it. If you have a real need to get any money out of
something when you're finished, don't buy an RV, or a boat, or any
other high end toy. There are no guarantees, especially in this
economy.

That being said, my personal opinion is that a used Wanderlodge will
hold it's value far and above a used SOB. Let's say you have a hundred
grand to spend. You can get yourself a real nice nineties PT all
loaded up, or a new (or nearly new) class A SOB of equivilant size
with nowhere near the luxury, features or build quality. Thing is,
that SOB hasn't taken it's depreciation hit yet. It's going to drop
like a rock for the first few years of ownership. Your Wanderlodge, on
the other hand, is already well used; the majority of the depreciation
has run it's course. Will it depreciate further? Of course. Like
(almost) anything with wheels, it's got nowhere to go but down. But
I'd put money on the table that says the old Bird will be worth a heck
of a lot more than the new SOB in another 5 to 10. In fact, I did put
money on the table, quite a bit of it, when I bought my Bird over the
SOBs we looked at.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

[Ryan Wright]

John,

> You have to have some
> experience and some age to want a BB. Most BB owners are older guys
> and the younger owners are experienced beyond their years. If I put
> myself back 35 years I can't see me wanting an old BB.

There are a few of us younger folks who understand the value of a
coach like this. I won't admit my embarrassingly young age, but let's
just say that some of the guys on the forum here are old enough to be
my grandfather. Ernie's met me, take a wild guess at my age and
subtract a few years because you'll peg me older than I am. (Just
don't guess at my wife's age. I know she doesn't look a day over 19,
but she's actually older than I am.)

I'm seeing a lot of promise in the younger generation. We always hear
about how bad kids are these days, but it's not so clear cut. I was
involved with the DeLorean community for a few years and we're seeing
an awful lot of demand for the cars by younger guys who grew up on
Back to the Future and are just getting old enough to swing it
financially. They're buying, restoring and babying these old cars and
they appreciate the value in them. I sold mine to a guy in his
twenties. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a renewed surge in
BB interest by the younger guys over the next 10 to 20 years. Everyone
I've shown mine to loves it.

Roger:

> It is much like having a very special looking girl by your side

Yup. We stayed at a campground last weekend in a sea of SOBs. Darn
near every other RVer we drove past on our way in literally stopped
what they were doing and stared. Got plenty of nice comments from
people. Every time I take this coach on the freeway for any length of
time, I get truckers calling in praise on the CB. Had myself a half
hour conversation about the coach with a guy Sunday going the same
direction and would have been longer had I not outran the transmission
power of our radios. Tell me that happens with an SOB...

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

[Ryan Wright]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote:
>
> Careful guys...I am only 33.

Hi there, Grandpa. ;-) heh, heh...

> I have often wondered if I am the youngest BB owner in the nation.

Nope.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

[Scott Forman]

Bought my FC at 30, sold it last year & bought my PT at 32.

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Hare" <share74@...>
wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Nope! Got you beat! I owned my first BB at 32.. About to buy
another at 34!
>
> Stephen H
> Plant City, Fl
> birdless for now...
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote:
>
> > Careful guys...I am only 33. I have often wondered if I am the
> > youngest BB owner in the nation. And I wouldn't own a fiberglass
> > box, period...don't care how many slides or fancy gadgets it has.
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > verx sexy 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > >
> > > You are correct, John. I guess in the young person's eyes, sex,
> > glitz, and
> > > bloody slideouts are all the rage these days.
> > >
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Livingston, Montana
> > >
> > > 2 slide outs- one for my toolbox, the other is a Joey bed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
twists
> > on family
> > > favorites at AOL Food.
> > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=...0000000001)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[bubblerboy64]

It's nice to know there are some young owners. And when you travel
with your buddies you can tow their pop-ups behind the ole BB :-) .
I must admit I too enjoy the attention the BB gets. Of course with
the graphics and the name on the front "Big Napper" what I get are
lots of people pointing and smiling. Very few have much of an idea
what I have but its fun to educate them if they are interested. Most
frequently ask question is "how many miles are on it" I have come up
with the best answer to that. "I have no idea but the only thing
that matters is how many are left, and I am pretty certain that there
are more then enough" You young guys can't use that one but it works
well for me. And it really does speak to the issue which is to not
worry about things which don't matter much and over which we have no
control. Richard's post should be considered because we each only
have today with no guarantees for tomorrow. For the Hayden's I know
each of us wishes the very best for them in what must be the most
difficult of situations.
John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC




>
> Bought my FC at 30, sold it last year & bought my PT at 32.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Hare" <share74@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Nope! Got you beat! I owned my first BB at 32.. About to buy
> another at 34!
> >
> > Stephen H
> > Plant City, Fl
> > birdless for now...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote:
> >
> > > Careful guys...I am only 33. I have often wondered if I am the
> > > youngest BB owner in the nation. And I wouldn't own a fiberglass
> > > box, period...don't care how many slides or fancy gadgets it
has.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > verx sexy 86 PT38
> > > Memphis
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You are correct, John. I guess in the young person's eyes,
sex,
> > > glitz, and
> > > > bloody slideouts are all the rage these days.
> > > >
> > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > 83PT40
> > > > Livingston, Montana
> > > >
> > > > 2 slide outs- one for my toolbox, the other is a Joey bed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
> twists
> > > on family
> > > > favorites at AOL Food.
> > > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=...0000000001)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Gosh, when I was 30 the internet was a misspelled freeway. for DickH
it was two lane.
GregoryO'Connor
94pt 45yo RomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@...> wrote:
>
> Bought my FC at 30, sold it last year & bought my PT at 32.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Hare" <share74@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Nope! Got you beat! I owned my first BB at 32.. About to buy
> another at 34!
> >
> > Stephen H
> > Plant City, Fl
> > birdless for now...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote:
> >
> > > Careful guys...I am only 33. I have often wondered if I am
the
> > > youngest BB owner in the nation. And I wouldn't own a
fiberglass
> > > box, period...don't care how many slides or fancy gadgets it
has.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > verx sexy 86 PT38
> > > Memphis

[robert nloomas]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
Early 70's was nothing like it is now.Early 70's fuel prices level
off not now they go up daily with no end in sight along with
everything else.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
>
> Leroy, you make some good points.
>
> We also need to understand that, like the early 70s, we're in
a "fuel
> price shock" -- and as the realization that fuel prices may be at
a
> new and higher level for some time, people will have to adjust
their
> personal budget to absorb the 'hit' to their pocket books.
>
> Obviously, this kind of a transition period is not when folks are
> going out to look for expensive toys that use a lot of fuel. SUVs,
> large pick-up trucks, and RVs of every type have stopped selling
in
> any quantity. It happened in the last two "fuel shocks" as well.
But
> after a period of time, people adjust.
>
> The good news is that about 1/2 the _increase_ in fuel cost is due
to
> the relative value of the dollar tanking on the world market. This
is
> because the Federal Reserve has cut our interest rates to low
levels
> (relative to other currencies) to 'help' with our current
financial
> system crisis. What is the good news? Well, eventually other
> countries will have to make similar fiscal interest rate
adjustments
> as their economies become stressed by the ripples caused by the US
> economy (after all, we're still about 50% of the world market).
And,
> the Fed will eventually bring up our interest rates -- and the
> dollar's value will recover. This may take a year or 18 months or
24
> months (I sure have no handle on that), but it will come. Oil will
> drop $30 per barrel (or so).
>
> Also, high prices _do_ call forth more supply. That old law of
supply
> and demand will eventually kick in. Oil companies and alternate/
> substitute fuel producers are fearful of an oil price crash
(they've
> happened before), so they're reluctant to invest -- until the
market
> starts to show some stability. If prices stay comfortably above
(say)
> $70 per barrel, then higher cost sources become economic to
exploit.
> Once some new supply enters the market, it will drop prices, and
> shake out the speculators, further dropping prices. (How do I know
> this? Because it's what's happened at least twice before.)
>
> So, while RVs, and SUV, and other "fuel guzzlers" are suddenly
very
> unpopular, it's unlikely that situation will remain for more than
a
> couple of years. Once people become accustomed to the higher
prices
> (and/or if prices fade a bit from their peak), then people will
start
> getting and buying the vehicles they want to buy. After all, when
> fuel was $3.00 per gallon (more or less) people were buying heavy
> fuel using cars, suvs and trucks -- even though there are and were
> plenty of very economical choices out there -- but there wasn't
the
> demand.
>
> So, my feeling is that there is an opportunity to get a 20 year
old
> WL at one heck of a bargain. It's value may not increase, should
fuel
> prices eventually pull back -- but it will very probably hold its
> value for quite some time with very little downward drift for
several
> years.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@...
>
>
>
> On May 14, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> > Never at a loss for words, I will attempt to answer some of your
> > questions.
> >
> > But before I do, I feel your economic pain as do a gazillion
other
> > Americans. It happen to me also after NAFTA was signed the terms
of
> > which subsequently took down a 50 year old company I worked for
> > because all the work went to the Maquiladora's in Mexico,
thereby
> > taking my $.5M golden parachute with it. I earned it but never
got
> > it. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with what you pay for a
BB.
> >
> > The reason you are looking at BB's is, you know as well as I do
> > that it will last you the rest of your life if properly
maintained.
> > You see value. If properly maintained it will be your last
coach.
> > If not it wouldn't. You cannot say that about any of the 1000
SOB's
> > out there for sale. Plastic palaces are essentially throw away
> > items. How many of them 20 year old babies do you see around.
> >
> > As for future value, do you believe that a well maintained 87 PT
38
> > will be worth zero one day? If so, you should think a little
more.
> > If you go out there an grab that "fabulous deal" you find,
> > characterized in terms of dollars you better be careful. You can
> > drop $20k in one of these things in a heart beat and I ain't
> > talking about the Heartbeat of America, because these things
aren't
> > Chevy's but are the Mercedes of motor homes.
> >
> > I see you reside in Washington. I think Dick Hayden, the good
> > fellow with the $60K bus, lives in that State also. Perhaps it
> > would be prudent to go look at his fine coach. You might like it
> > and see the ""value"" because that is what you are really looking
for.
> >
> > I wonder after you buy it if you will think it is worth $40K?
> <snip>
>

[timvasqz]

Joyce & Dick It is quite a shock to hear for the 1st time that you
guys are selling your Freebird. The Pride of ownership that the both
of you shared in that Bus shows as everyone points at it when driving
down the highway. The people and friendships that you made along the
way are something that holds value. A beautifully well crafted Bus
and well taken care Bus such as yours is worth something in my book.
I am a bit shellfish when saying that "I am glad that no one has
bought your Classic beauty" because its means our paths will always
meet at the next Bluebird Rally. Talking about Market Value of your
Bus seems so cold & unfeeling when comparing the memories both of you
have shared in the Freebird. Memories are the tangible things that
become Priceless.

Tim
94pt "This Po Boys Dream" --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
wrote:
>
> We appreciate all the comments regarding the sale of our 1987 PT.
Everyone of you that commented on the merits of owning Wanderlodge
make good since and in many ways echo our thoughts. Dick and I
spend our winters in the desert near Yuma. Our bus, with it's
fabulous solar system, is perfect for desert living. It's also fun
to have one of the prettiest, most unique coaches in the area making
us feel terribly proud. We smile when people comment on the huge
tires 'cause we know that they're just making everything safer for
us - we couldn't imagine traveling with those little bitty SOB tires
underneath us.
>
> As many of you know we have had to help our son and his family
financially in his quest to fight terminal cancer. The expense of
that and the fact Dick will be turning 75 in August made us believe
that it was time for us to consider other options for living our
winters in the Southwest. Unfortunately, it appears that we picked
the worst possible time to do this. It is very hard for us to
believe that a classic Wanderlodge, with its retro look, shiny chrome
bumpers, and clean bright white interior, would decrease in price so
much - especially since it is always kept in good repair and it
spends its summer under cover. The wonderful friendships we have
made with other Wanderlodge owners would be impossible to match. We
would surly miss our friends if we couldn't see them at least once a
year at one of the rally's. Because of all of the above, and all of
you, unless we can sell our bus at a fair price, we will be once
again traveling to Quartzsite in our "Freebird" and that wouldn't be
half bad.
>
> Yes, we want to sell our bus but, no, we won't give it away.
>
> Joyce & Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leroy Eckert
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 88' 8v92 NC 50grand
>
>
> Voices of reason that are backed up with facts. I am with you
partner. I don't hear Prevost owners bashing their prices down. I
hear them touting the virtues of owning one. I just raised the price
of mine fifteen points.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> David Brady wrote:
>
> Bingo Gregory,
>
> In fact, I would postulate that we BB owners should actually
> raise our prices to correct for the falling dollar. For
> instance, consider the price of a 1993 WB in US dollars,
> say $100K, if we view that same coach in Swiss Francs it
> only costs approximately $70K Swiss Francs. This is because
> the US dollar has depreciated 30% relative to the Swiss Franc
> in the past year, far exceeding normal BB depreciation. Our
BB's
> are incredible deals to anyone trading in any other currency.
> Why should I sell my BB to someone for 70K Swiss Francs
> when last year it cost 100K Swiss Francs. So listen up
> everyone... it's time to raise your prices to adjust for the
> falling dollar! Heck, the whole market has flocked
> to commodities: wheat, sugar, oil, haircuts, etc to escape the
> falling dollar, why not flee to another commodity, the BB?
>
>
> David
> '02 LXi, NC
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
> Value and Market are two different variables. Two Posting
Buyers
> buying frustration are testomony to the fact that BlueBirds
like
> classic Cars have the price set by the seller. They continue
to
> attempt to educate the seller to lower price to their reach.
I doubt
> either one will make a purchase because they will never feel
they have
> scored the lowest. and after purchase disonance would eat
them up.
>
> Its funny how someone can highlight all the reasons why it is
a bad
> idea to own a diesel coach then turn around and say, "So what
do you
> want for it?" some folk will remain SOB irrreguardless of
what they
> drive.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> SOB 94ptRomolandCa
>
>
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[bubblerboy64]

Years ago I ask a fellow if he had any problems. He said something
which has stuck with me ever since. He said he had some
inconveniences but no problems. After I spoke with the fellow a while
I pretty much decided that he had problems but nothing ever gets
fixed with a negative attitude.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC






>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> wrote:
> Early 70's was nothing like it is now.Early 70's fuel prices
level
> off not now they go up daily with no end in sight along with
> everything else.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
> >
> > Leroy, you make some good points.
> >
> > We also need to understand that, like the early 70s, we're in
> a "fuel
> > price shock" -- and as the realization that fuel prices may be at
> a
> > new and higher level for some time, people will have to adjust
> their
> > personal budget to absorb the 'hit' to their pocket books.
> >
> > Obviously, this kind of a transition period is not when folks
are
> > going out to look for expensive toys that use a lot of fuel.
SUVs,
> > large pick-up trucks, and RVs of every type have stopped selling
> in
> > any quantity. It happened in the last two "fuel shocks" as well.
> But
> > after a period of time, people adjust.
> >
> > The good news is that about 1/2 the _increase_ in fuel cost is
due
> to
> > the relative value of the dollar tanking on the world market.
This
> is
> > because the Federal Reserve has cut our interest rates to low
> levels
> > (relative to other currencies) to 'help' with our current
> financial
> > system crisis. What is the good news? Well, eventually other
> > countries will have to make similar fiscal interest rate
> adjustments
> > as their economies become stressed by the ripples caused by the
US
> > economy (after all, we're still about 50% of the world market).
> And,
> > the Fed will eventually bring up our interest rates -- and the
> > dollar's value will recover. This may take a year or 18 months or
> 24
> > months (I sure have no handle on that), but it will come. Oil
will
> > drop $30 per barrel (or so).
> >
> > Also, high prices _do_ call forth more supply. That old law of
> supply
> > and demand will eventually kick in. Oil companies and alternate/
> > substitute fuel producers are fearful of an oil price crash
> (they've
> > happened before), so they're reluctant to invest -- until the
> market
> > starts to show some stability. If prices stay comfortably above
> (say)
> > $70 per barrel, then higher cost sources become economic to
> exploit.
> > Once some new supply enters the market, it will drop prices, and
> > shake out the speculators, further dropping prices. (How do I
know
> > this? Because it's what's happened at least twice before.)
> >
> > So, while RVs, and SUV, and other "fuel guzzlers" are suddenly
> very
> > unpopular, it's unlikely that situation will remain for more than
> a
> > couple of years. Once people become accustomed to the higher
> prices
> > (and/or if prices fade a bit from their peak), then people will
> start
> > getting and buying the vehicles they want to buy. After all,
when
> > fuel was $3.00 per gallon (more or less) people were buying
heavy
> > fuel using cars, suvs and trucks -- even though there are and
were
> > plenty of very economical choices out there -- but there wasn't
> the
> > demand.
> >
> > So, my feeling is that there is an opportunity to get a 20 year
> old
> > WL at one heck of a bargain. It's value may not increase, should
> fuel
> > prices eventually pull back -- but it will very probably hold
its
> > value for quite some time with very little downward drift for
> several
> > years.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > El Sobrante CA
> > aeonix1@
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 14, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:
> >
> > > Never at a loss for words, I will attempt to answer some of
your
> > > questions.
> > >
> > > But before I do, I feel your economic pain as do a gazillion
> other
> > > Americans. It happen to me also after NAFTA was signed the
terms
> of
> > > which subsequently took down a 50 year old company I worked
for
> > > because all the work went to the Maquiladora's in Mexico,
> thereby
> > > taking my $.5M golden parachute with it. I earned it but never
> got
> > > it. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with what you pay for
a
> BB.
> > >
> > > The reason you are looking at BB's is, you know as well as I
do
> > > that it will last you the rest of your life if properly
> maintained.
> > > You see value. If properly maintained it will be your last
> coach.
> > > If not it wouldn't. You cannot say that about any of the 1000
> SOB's
> > > out there for sale. Plastic palaces are essentially throw away
> > > items. How many of them 20 year old babies do you see around.
> > >
> > > As for future value, do you believe that a well maintained 87
PT
> 38
> > > will be worth zero one day? If so, you should think a little
> more.
> > > If you go out there an grab that "fabulous deal" you find,
> > > characterized in terms of dollars you better be careful. You
can
> > > drop $20k in one of these things in a heart beat and I ain't
> > > talking about the Heartbeat of America, because these things
> aren't
> > > Chevy's but are the Mercedes of motor homes.
> > >
> > > I see you reside in Washington. I think Dick Hayden, the good
> > > fellow with the $60K bus, lives in that State also. Perhaps it
> > > would be prudent to go look at his fine coach. You might like
it
> > > and see the ""value"" because that is what you are really
looking
> for.
> > >
> > > I wonder after you buy it if you will think it is worth $40K?
> > <snip>
> >
>