8v92 Engine Replacement

[putneyflash@...]

The marines use alot of two strokes and if they stopped you would have to redesigin the the vechiles to accomade a new engine.

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-------------- Original message from "joepat50" : --------------

There is also a fairly active yahoo group for the 2strokes, this link
should get you there:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitDiesel/

HTH

/Joe

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Glenn Allen" >
wrote:
>
> I have a friend that is a DD Rep. He told me a few months back that
> the DD still makes new 6V92 and 8V92 engines for the U.S. Gov't.
> Since the Gov't does not have to worry about the smog rules they
> enforce others to follow, they can still use the good ole two
> strokes. I'm not sure where the applications are (i.e., military,
> post office, ??) but it suprised me that they are still manufactured.
>
> Regards,
>
> Glenn
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Dave, all pre 2004 engines are an art to diagnose when an issue arises. after around 2004 the onboard computers would spit out enough data that couldbe compared to that engines manufactures If/Than tree to prove an appropriate repair path. the computers on the early V92 and s60 were set up mostly to run the engine more efficient and within smog standards. The newer the engine and computer, the more variables it has to show issue cause. For the most part the early computers pre 2000 were more of a repair cause than a clue t0 issues.

It is my hope that the net and forums such as this will help share info and build If than trees for repairs for the old stuff. An appropriate subject title , symptom description for the first post is important. followed as a thread by input posts frommembers offering experience and thought, then an epilogue as to the corrective action taken.

I recently made a post for an issue with my 94pt.- LeeC a forum member posted a helpful thought and his post containd more clues as to a path for me to work thru the problem. I got phone calls and reported the dynamic in the thread so it is archived forforum reference. One thing I noticed was that few offered suggestive responce with input . I can only guess it is because they fear the information would be challanged?? Information is only good after challanged. The old 8V92 technicians have completed many challanges at the tuition of the customer in the past. their experience has an artistic value.

Gregory94ptCa-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "tumble_weed_ft" wrote:
>
> I've been reading where it is getting harder to find technicians who
> know how to work on two stroke engines. If you have a Bluebird with an
> 8v92 engine and down the road you need to do a replacement rather than
> a rebuild - what do you do?
>
> Will a Cummins fit and work correctly?
>
> I may buy a pre-owned Bluebird in the future but am wondering whether I
> should wait until I can afford a series 60 because of this issue.
>
> Your input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave
>

[tumble_weed_ft]

Thanks for all the input.

It sounds like most of you would not be reluctant to buy a bird with
an 8v92. I am doing my research so I will be knowledgeable when it is
time to buy.

I knew you guys would have great input.

Dave


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
>
> Dave, all pre 2004 engines are an art to diagnose when an issue
arises.
> after around 2004 the onboard computers would spit out enough data
that
> couldbe compared to that engines manufactures If/Than tree to prove
an
> appropriate repair path. the computers on the early V92 and s60
were
> set up mostly to run the engine more efficient and within smog
> standards. The newer the engine and computer, the more variables
it has
> to show issue cause. For the most part the early computers pre 2000
were
> more of a repair cause than a clue t0 issues.
>
> It is my hope that the net and forums such as this will help share
info
> and build If than trees for repairs for the old stuff. An
appropriate
> subject title , symptom description for the first post is
important.
> followed as a thread by input posts from members offering
experience
> and thought, then an epilogue as to the corrective action taken.
>
> I recently made a post for an issue with my 94pt
>
<http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wand...sage/37261>
.-
> LeeC a forum member posted a helpful thought and his post containd
more
> clues as to a path for me to work thru the problem. I got phone
calls
> and reported the dynamic in the thread so it is archived for forum
> reference. One thing I noticed was that few offered suggestive
responce
> with input . I can only guess it is because they fear the
information
> would be challanged?? Information is only good after challanged.
The
> old 8V92 technicians have completed many challanges at the tuition
of
> the customer in the past. their experience has an artistic value.
>
>
>
> Gregory94ptCa-- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "tumble_weed_ft"
> wrote:
> >
> > I've been reading where it is getting harder to find technicians
who
> > know how to work on two stroke engines. If you have a Bluebird
with an
> > 8v92 engine and down the road you need to do a replacement rather
than
> > a rebuild - what do you do?
> >
> > Will a Cummins fit and work correctly?
> >
> > I may buy a pre-owned Bluebird in the future but am wondering
whether
> I
> > should wait until I can afford a series 60 because of this issue.
> >
> > Your input is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>

[Glenn Allen]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, putneyflash@... wrote:
>
> The marines use alot of two strokes and if they stopped you would have to
redesigin
the the vechiles to accomade a new engine.
>

If they are using the mechanical control vs the DDEC, it could have some
battlefied
advantages in resistance to electro-magnetic pulses from tactical nukes.

Glenn

[Scott Forman]

Dave,

Your personal decision may have a lot to do with what kind of service
you can get where you live. I am fortunate to have a shop here in
town owned by a close friend that has several well-seasoned DD 2-
stroke mechanics. The 6-8-12-16 DD's are still widely used in
riverboat applications among other things, and his shop always has
several rebuilt 2-strokes on hand waiting for their next
application. If no such facility is available near you, that is
something you will have to consider.

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "tumble_weed_ft"
wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the input.
>
> It sounds like most of you would not be reluctant to buy a bird
with
> an 8v92. I am doing my research so I will be knowledgeable when it
is
> time to buy.
>
> I knew you guys would have great input.
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dave, all pre 2004 engines are an art to diagnose when an issue
> arises.
> > after around 2004 the onboard computers would spit out enough
data
> that
> > couldbe compared to that engines manufactures If/Than tree to
prove
> an
> > appropriate repair path. the computers on the early V92 and s60
> were
> > set up mostly to run the engine more efficient and within smog
> > standards. The newer the engine and computer, the more variables
> it has
> > to show issue cause. For the most part the early computers pre
2000
> were
> > more of a repair cause than a clue t0 issues.
> >
> > It is my hope that the net and forums such as this will help
share
> info
> > and build If than trees for repairs for the old stuff. An
> appropriate
> > subject title , symptom description for the first post is
> important.
> > followed as a thread by input posts from members offering
> experience
> > and thought, then an epilogue as to the corrective action taken.
> >
> > I recently made a post for an issue with my 94pt
> >
>
<http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wand...sage/37261>
> .-
> > LeeC a forum member posted a helpful thought and his post
containd
> more
> > clues as to a path for me to work thru the problem. I got phone
> calls
> > and reported the dynamic in the thread so it is archived for forum
> > reference. One thing I noticed was that few offered suggestive
> responce
> > with input . I can only guess it is because they fear the
> information
> > would be challanged?? Information is only good after challanged.
> The
> > old 8V92 technicians have completed many challanges at the
tuition
> of
> > the customer in the past. their experience has an artistic value.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory94ptCa-- In
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "tumble_weed_ft"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I've been reading where it is getting harder to find
technicians
> who
> > > know how to work on two stroke engines. If you have a Bluebird
> with an
> > > 8v92 engine and down the road you need to do a replacement
rather
> than
> > > a rebuild - what do you do?
> > >
> > > Will a Cummins fit and work correctly?
> > >
> > > I may buy a pre-owned Bluebird in the future but am wondering
> whether
> > I
> > > should wait until I can afford a series 60 because of this
issue.
> > >
> > > Your input is appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
>

[bubblerboy64]

Dave, BB'd are like beautiful women. There is no agreement on which
one is the most beautiful. An owner of a series 60 told me that "the
series sixty coach is something to aspire to". I agree with that on
some level but again for many of us the series 60 is just too
expensive. If you find yourself in that situation there are some
beautiful coaches out there with something other then the series 60,
I can tell you that. Have you been to Rany Dupree's site? Buy bye
birdie. He has some really nice ones listed. If you study his site I
think you will see that you don't have to spend $150,000 to get a
VERY nice BB. If a series 60 is what is right for you he has a couple
real beauties in that vintage as well.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC



>
> Dave,
>
> Your personal decision may have a lot to do with what kind of
service
> you can get where you live. I am fortunate to have a shop here in
> town owned by a close friend that has several well-seasoned DD 2-
> stroke mechanics. The 6-8-12-16 DD's are still widely used in
> riverboat applications among other things, and his shop always has
> several rebuilt 2-strokes on hand waiting for their next
> application. If no such facility is available near you, that is
> something you will have to consider.
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Memphis
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "tumble_weed_ft"
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the input.
> >
> > It sounds like most of you would not be reluctant to buy a bird
> with
> > an 8v92. I am doing my research so I will be knowledgeable when
it
> is
> > time to buy.
> >
> > I knew you guys would have great input.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave, all pre 2004 engines are an art to diagnose when an issue
> > arises.
> > > after around 2004 the onboard computers would spit out enough
> data
> > that
> > > couldbe compared to that engines manufactures If/Than tree to
> prove
> > an
> > > appropriate repair path. the computers on the early V92 and
s60
> > were
> > > set up mostly to run the engine more efficient and within smog
> > > standards. The newer the engine and computer, the more
variables
> > it has
> > > to show issue cause. For the most part the early computers pre
> 2000
> > were
> > > more of a repair cause than a clue t0 issues.
> > >
> > > It is my hope that the net and forums such as this will help
> share
> > info
> > > and build If than trees for repairs for the old stuff. An
> > appropriate
> > > subject title , symptom description for the first post is
> > important.
> > > followed as a thread by input posts from members offering
> > experience
> > > and thought, then an epilogue as to the corrective action taken.
> > >
> > > I recently made a post for an issue with my 94pt
> > >
> >
>
<http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wand...sage/37261>
> > .-
> > > LeeC a forum member posted a helpful thought and his post
> containd
> > more
> > > clues as to a path for me to work thru the problem. I got
phone
> > calls
> > > and reported the dynamic in the thread so it is archived for
forum
> > > reference. One thing I noticed was that few offered suggestive
> > responce
> > > with input . I can only guess it is because they fear the
> > information
> > > would be challanged?? Information is only good after
challanged.
> > The
> > > old 8V92 technicians have completed many challanges at the
> tuition
> > of
> > > the customer in the past. their experience has an artistic
value.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregory94ptCa-- In
> > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "tumble_weed_ft"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've been reading where it is getting harder to find
> technicians
> > who
> > > > know how to work on two stroke engines. If you have a
Bluebird
> > with an
> > > > 8v92 engine and down the road you need to do a replacement
> rather
> > than
> > > > a rebuild - what do you do?
> > > >
> > > > Will a Cummins fit and work correctly?
> > > >
> > > > I may buy a pre-owned Bluebird in the future but am wondering
> > whether
> > > I
> > > > should wait until I can afford a series 60 because of this
> issue.
> > > >
> > > > Your input is appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[putneyflash@...]

They are mechanical, i overhaul many in Nam and they are basically the same engine to day, another issue is commonally of parts, almost all vertical parts on a 2 stroke interchange from 2 cylinder up to 8

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-------------- Original message from "Glenn Allen" : --------------

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", putneyflash@... wrote:
>
> The marines use alot of two strokes and if they stopped you would have to redesigin
the the vechiles to accomade a new engine.
>

If they are using the mechanical control vs the DDEC, it could have some battlefied
advantages in resistance to electro-magnetic pulses from tactical nukes.

Glenn