Wet sleeve explained

[Gregory OConnor]

here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the importance on maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are wet sleeve the kubota gensets are drySleeved.

the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side of the sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near a seal on the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the oil.

cylinder sleeve video

The FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder inframe is not possible.some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' becauseit is always completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's are notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant integrity is as important).problem with a sleeved engine is once your engine looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other seals are and a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private coaches are rebuilt more often than just repaired

Greg

[Gregory OConnor]

here is a better link to the actual video playing. I sent you to the search page with the previous link

better video link to wet sleeve

greg

[ronmarabito2002]

Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is flawed
and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true especially if
you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for a
partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.

I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
indication of a problem.

I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the scapegoat in
the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty for a
re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory only
gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial vehicle such
as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12 months and
it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than that.
Not much of a warranty under those conditions.

I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine failure in
a Detroit 8V92.

Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but it too
is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on that one?

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
>
> here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the importance on
> maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are wet sleeve
> the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
>
> the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side of the
> sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near a seal on
> the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the oil.
>
> cylinder sleeve video
>
>
>
<http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...leeve\
> %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder inframe is not
> possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it is always
> completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's are
> notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant integrity is
> as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your engine
> looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other seals are and
> a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private coaches are
> rebuilt more often than just repaired
>
>
>
> Greg
>

[ronmarabito2002]

Greg: Correction to my last message. I was referring to a wet
sleeved engine.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is flawed
> and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true especially if
> you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for a
> partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
>
> I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> indication of a problem.
>
> I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the scapegoat in
> the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty for a
> re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory only
> gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial vehicle such
> as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12 months and
> it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than that.
> Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
>
> I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine failure in
> a Detroit 8V92.
>
> Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but it too
> is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on that one?
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
importance on
> > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are wet sleeve
> > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> >
> > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side of the
> > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near a seal on
> > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the oil.
> >
> > cylinder sleeve video
> >
> >
> >
>
<http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...leeve\
> >
%20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder inframe
is not
> > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it is
always
> > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's are
> > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
integrity is
> > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your engine
> > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other seals
are and
> > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
coaches are
> > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it emptied
quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time. you
can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you didnt
get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works because
they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot
exist delt with.

get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring it
to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the bedroom
closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.

I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,

Greg


In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
flawed
> and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true especially if
> you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for a
> partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
>
> I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> indication of a problem.
>
> I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
scapegoat in
> the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty for a
> re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory only
> gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial vehicle
such
> as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12 months
and
> it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than that.
> Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
>
> I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
failure in
> a Detroit 8V92.
>
> Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but it
too
> is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on that
one?
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
importance on
> > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are wet
sleeve
> > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> >
> > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side of
the
> > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near a
seal on
> > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the oil.
> >
> > cylinder sleeve video
> >
> >
> >
> <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
20sleeve\
> > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
inframe is not
> > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it is
always
> > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's are
> > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
integrity is
> > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
engine
> > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other seals
are and
> > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
coaches are
> > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
>

[putneyflash@...]

I have read the wet sleeve commentary:

In the industry we always called the DD engines dry sleeves because there are no rubber O rings to speak of when you place the sleeve in the block.It was a pressed fit. we sometimes would put the liner in a freezer to shrink it and slide it in the block, I am talking about 1970 -1980 era engines. 2,3,4,6,8- 71 series enginesA wet sleeve has o ring seals on top and bottom when installed and dish soap or other lubricants are used to seat the rings in both the sleeve and the block.

almost all of cat older engines except the 3204 and 3208 were sleeved, this allows you at over haul to install all new wearing surfaces and basically restore the engine to the orginial specs., same as DD.

although not done often 3208 can be repaired in chassis,you can hone the cylinder wall and install an over sized piston and ring in one hole only if the damaged was not to severe, i think the O/S piston and rings came in 10, 20 thousandths. you can remove the engine and have a sleeve installed in the hole and bring it back to standard. Number 7 and 8 cylinder were where the damaged usually occurred from over heating due to the design of the water circulation starting in the front and working its way to the rear of the block.

3208 you either love or hate them, I have seen many run to 300,000 miles and quite a few up to 500,00 miles

--
RE

-------------- Original message from "ronmarabito2002" : --------------

Greg: Correction to my last message. I was referring to a wet
sleeved engine.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"
...> wrote:
>
> Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is flawed
> and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true especially if
> you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for a
> partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
>
> I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> indication of a problem.
>
> I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the scapegoat in
> the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty for a
> re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory only
> gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial vehicle such
> as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12 months and
> it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than that.
> Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
>
> I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine failure in
> a Detroit 8V92.
>
> Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but it too
> is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on that one?
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
>
> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
importance on
> > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are wet sleeve
> > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> >
> > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side of the
> > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near a seal on
> > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the oil.
> >
> > cylinder sleeve video
> >
> >
> >
>
<http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&q=wet%20sleeve\
> >
%20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder inframe
is not
> > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it is
always
> > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's are
> > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
integrity is
> > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your engine
> > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other seals
are and
> > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
coaches are
> > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
>

[ronmarabito2002]

They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put it
back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way of
knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt.
I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two damaged
sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it emptied
> quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time. you
> can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you didnt
> get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works because
> they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot
> exist delt with.
>
> get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring it
> to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the bedroom
> closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
>
> I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
>
> Greg
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> flawed
> > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true especially if
> > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for a
> > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> >
> > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > indication of a problem.
> >
> > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> scapegoat in
> > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty for a
> > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory only
> > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial vehicle
> such
> > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12 months
> and
> > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than that.
> > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> >
> > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> failure in
> > a Detroit 8V92.
> >
> > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but it
> too
> > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on that
> one?
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> importance on
> > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are wet
> sleeve
> > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > >
> > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side of
> the
> > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near a
> seal on
> > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the oil.
> > >
> > > cylinder sleeve video
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> 20sleeve\
> > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> inframe is not
> > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it is
> always
> > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's are
> > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> integrity is
> > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> engine
> > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other seals
> are and
> > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> coaches are
> > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

I wished it was a simple fix. The good thing is now you will have
a perfect running dependable Bus. Maybe Paulson can include the
repair tab in his package???


Greg and Tim

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just
put it
> back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way
of
> knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did
melt.
> I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
damaged
> sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was
dumped.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
emptied
> > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time.
you
> > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
didnt
> > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
because
> > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or
maynot
> > exist delt with.
> >
> > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
it
> > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
bedroom
> > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> >
> > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> > flawed
> > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
especially if
> > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty
for a
> > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > >
> > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > indication of a problem.
> > >
> > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is
less
> > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > scapegoat in
> > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
for a
> > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory
only
> > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
vehicle
> > such
> > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
months
> > and
> > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts
on
> > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
that.
> > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > >
> > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > failure in
> > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > >
> > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60,
but it
> > too
> > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
that
> > one?
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > importance on
> > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
wet
> > sleeve
> > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > >
> > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side
of
> > the
> > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near
a
> > seal on
> > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
oil.
> > > >
> > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?
gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&q=wet%
> > 20sleeve\
> > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > inframe is not
> > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because
it is
> > always
> > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall
(3208's are
> > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > integrity is
> > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > engine
> > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
seals
> > are and
> > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > coaches are
> > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Kurt Horvath]

Ron,

Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach
owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after
buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they
do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just
tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little prayer
that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get
your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.

Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42
10AC



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put
it
> back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way
of
> knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt.
> I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
damaged
> sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
emptied
> > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time.
you
> > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
didnt
> > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
because
> > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot
> > exist delt with.
> >
> > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
it
> > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
bedroom
> > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> >
> > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> > flawed
> > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
especially if
> > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for
a
> > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > >
> > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > indication of a problem.
> > >
> > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > scapegoat in
> > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
for a
> > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory
only
> > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
vehicle
> > such
> > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
months
> > and
> > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
that.
> > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > >
> > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > failure in
> > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > >
> > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but
it
> > too
> > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
that
> > one?
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > importance on
> > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
wet
> > sleeve
> > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > >
> > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side
of
> > the
> > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near
a
> > seal on
> > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
oil.
> > > >
> > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > 20sleeve\
> > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > inframe is not
> > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it
is
> > always
> > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's
are
> > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > integrity is
> > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > engine
> > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
seals
> > are and
> > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > coaches are
> > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[ronmarabito2002]

Greg: The unfortunate thing is: it was a perfect running bus.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> I wished it was a simple fix. The good thing is now you will have
> a perfect running dependable Bus. Maybe Paulson can include the
> repair tab in his package???
>
>
> Greg and Tim
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just
> put it
> > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way
> of
> > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did
> melt.
> > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
> damaged
> > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was
> dumped.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
> emptied
> > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time.
> you
> > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
> didnt
> > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
> because
> > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or
> maynot
> > > exist delt with.
> > >
> > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
> it
> > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
> bedroom
> > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > >
> > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> > > flawed
> > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> especially if
> > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty
> for a
> > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > >
> > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > > indication of a problem.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is
> less
> > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > > scapegoat in
> > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
> for a
> > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory
> only
> > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
> vehicle
> > > such
> > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
> months
> > > and
> > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts
> on
> > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
> that.
> > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > >
> > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > > failure in
> > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > >
> > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60,
> but it
> > > too
> > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
> that
> > > one?
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > > importance on
> > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
> wet
> > > sleeve
> > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > >
> > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side
> of
> > > the
> > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near
> a
> > > seal on
> > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
> oil.
> > > > >
> > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?
> gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&q=wet%
> > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > > inframe is not
> > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because
> it is
> > > always
> > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall
> (3208's are
> > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > > integrity is
> > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > > engine
> > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
> seals
> > > are and
> > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > > coaches are
> > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>