Wet sleeve explained

[ronmarabito2002]

Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that amount.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
> Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach
> owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after
> buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they
> do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just
> tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little prayer
> that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get
> your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
>
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42
> 10AC
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put
> it
> > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way
> of
> > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt.
> > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
> damaged
> > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
> emptied
> > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time.
> you
> > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
> didnt
> > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
> because
> > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot
> > > exist delt with.
> > >
> > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
> it
> > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
> bedroom
> > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > >
> > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> > > flawed
> > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> especially if
> > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for
> a
> > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > >
> > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > > indication of a problem.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > > scapegoat in
> > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
> for a
> > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory
> only
> > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
> vehicle
> > > such
> > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
> months
> > > and
> > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
> that.
> > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > >
> > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > > failure in
> > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > >
> > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but
> it
> > > too
> > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
> that
> > > one?
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > > importance on
> > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
> wet
> > > sleeve
> > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > >
> > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side
> of
> > > the
> > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near
> a
> > > seal on
> > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
> oil.
> > > > >
> > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > > inframe is not
> > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it
> is
> > > always
> > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's
> are
> > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > > integrity is
> > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > > engine
> > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
> seals
> > > are and
> > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > > coaches are
> > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[mbulriss]

Good grief Ron! Sorry!
$25-30K for an in-frame?
How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX





--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that amount.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach
> > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after
> > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they
> > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just
> > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little prayer
> > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get
> > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> >
> > Kurt Horvath
> > 95 PT-42
> > 10AC
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put
> > it
> > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way
> > of
> > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt.
> > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
> > damaged
> > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
> > emptied
> > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time.
> > you
> > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
> > didnt
> > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
> > because
> > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot
> > > > exist delt with.
> > > >
> > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
> > it
> > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
> > bedroom
> > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> > > > flawed
> > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > especially if
> > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for
> > a
> > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
> > for a
> > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory
> > only
> > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
> > vehicle
> > > > such
> > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
> > months
> > > > and
> > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
> > that.
> > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > >
> > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > > > failure in
> > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > >
> > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but
> > it
> > > > too
> > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
> > that
> > > > one?
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > > > importance on
> > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
> > wet
> > > > sleeve
> > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near
> > a
> > > > seal on
> > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
> > oil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it
> > is
> > > > always
> > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's
> > are
> > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > > > integrity is
> > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > > > engine
> > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
> > seals
> > > > are and
> > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > > > coaches are
> > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Really. Check with these guys in Wyoming, I think that is where they are. http://www.powerlinecomponents.com Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors Dahlonega, GA --- On Fri, 9/26/08, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote: From: mbulriss <mbulriss@...> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Wet sleeve explained To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:31 PM Good grief Ron! Sorry! $25-30K for an in-frame? How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty? Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" San Antonio, TX --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002" wrote: > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that amount. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Kurt Horvath" > wrote: > > > > Ron, > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little prayer > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option. > > > > Kurt Horvath > > 95 PT-42 > > 10AC > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002" > > wrote: > > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put > > it > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way > > of > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt. > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two > > damaged > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped. > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it > > emptied > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time. > > you > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you > > didnt > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works > > because > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot > > > > exist delt with. > > > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring > > it > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the > > bedroom > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost. > > > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite, > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is > > > > flawed > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true > > especially if > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for > > a > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!. > > > > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first > > > > > indication of a problem. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the > > > > scapegoat in > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty > > for a > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory > > only > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial > > vehicle > > > > such > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12 > > months > > > > and > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than > > that. > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions. > > > > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine > > > > failure in > > > > > a Detroit 8V92. > > > > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but > > it > > > > too > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on > > that > > > > one? > > > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken) > > > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the > > > > importance on > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are > > wet > > > > sleeve > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved. > > > > > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side > > of > > > > the > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near > > a > > > > seal on > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the > > oil. > > > > > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://video. google.com/ videosearch? gbv=2&hl= en&safe=off& q=wet% > > > > 20sleeve\ > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp= 20&ie=UTF- 8&sa=N&tab= iv#q=wet% 20sleeve% > > > > 20&hl=en&emb= 0> The > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder > > > > inframe is not > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it > > is > > > > always > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's > > are > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant > > > > integrity is > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your > > > > engine > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other > > seals > > > > are and > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private > > > > coaches are > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[ronmarabito2002]

Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> $25-30K for an in-frame?
> How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that amount.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach
> > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after
> > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they
> > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just
> > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little
prayer
> > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get
> > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> > >
> > > Kurt Horvath
> > > 95 PT-42
> > > 10AC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
just put
> > > it
> > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no
way
> > > of
> > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did
melt.
> > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
> > > damaged
> > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was
dumped.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
> > > emptied
> > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some
time.
> > > you
> > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
> > > didnt
> > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
> > > because
> > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or
maynot
> > > > > exist delt with.
> > > > >
> > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
> > > it
> > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
> > > bedroom
> > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
engine is
> > > > > flawed
> > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > > especially if
> > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
warranty for
> > > a
> > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine
is less
> > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
> > > for a
> > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
factory
> > > only
> > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
> > > vehicle
> > > > > such
> > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
> > > months
> > > > > and
> > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only
puts on
> > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
> > > that.
> > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > > > > failure in
> > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series
60, but
> > > it
> > > > > too
> > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
> > > that
> > > > > one?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
> > > wet
> > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the
side
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting
near
> > > a
> > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
> > > oil.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
<http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'
because it
> > > is
> > > > > always
> > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall
(3208's
> > > are
> > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > > > > integrity is
> > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > > > > engine
> > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
> > > seals
> > > > > are and
> > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Bob Lawrence]

Hi Ron,
Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.
Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a
better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the
weather.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Branson, Mo.

> Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
> putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
wrote:
> >
> > Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> > $25-30K for an in-frame?
> > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that
amount.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ron,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a
coach
> > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months
after
> > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for
is they
> > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens
I just
> > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little
> prayer
> > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up
there, get
> > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> > > >
> > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > 10AC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
> just put
> > > > it
> > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have
no
> way
> > > > of
> > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs
did
> melt.
> > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the
two
> > > > damaged
> > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the
return
> > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the
overheat
> > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was
> dumped.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the
shop
> > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said
it
> > > > emptied
> > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some
> time.
> > > > you
> > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if
you
> > > > didnt
> > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the
works
> > > > because
> > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or
> maynot
> > > > > > exist delt with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to
bring
> > > > it
> > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in
the
> > > > bedroom
> > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
> engine is
> > > > > > flawed
> > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will
cause
> > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > > > especially if
> > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
> warranty for
> > > > a
> > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from
first
> > > > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine
> is less
> > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user
the
> > > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the
warranty
> > > > for a
> > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
> factory
> > > > only
> > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A
commercial
> > > > vehicle
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that
12
> > > > months
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only
> puts on
> > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less
than
> > > > that.
> > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one
engine
> > > > > > failure in
> > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series
> 60, but
> > > > it
> > > > > > too
> > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record
is on
> > > > that
> > > > > > one?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory
OConnor"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts
the
> > > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series
60 are
> > > > wet
> > > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on
the
> side
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor
pitting
> near
> > > > a
> > > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant
in the
> > > > oil.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single
cylinder
> > > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'
> because it
> > > > is
> > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall
> (3208's
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so
coolant
> > > > > > integrity is
> > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is
once your
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the
other
> > > > seals
> > > > > > are and
> > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why
private
> > > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Scott Forman]

So the big question is...is there something, anything, that can be
done to prevent this failure?

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Can't afford a $30k rebuild
Memphis

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
> Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.
> Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a
> better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the
> weather.
> Bob Lawrence
> 84 PT36
> Branson, Mo.
>
> > Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
> > putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> > > $25-30K for an in-frame?
> > > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times
that
> amount.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a
> coach
> > > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three
months
> after
> > > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for
> is they
> > > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this
happens
> I just
> > > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a
little
> > prayer
> > > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up
> there, get
> > > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > > 10AC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
> > just put
> > > > > it
> > > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I
have
> no
> > way
> > > > > of
> > > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat
plugs
> did
> > melt.
> > > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced
the
> two
> > > > > damaged
> > > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on
the
> return
> > > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the
> overheat
> > > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant
was
> > dumped.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when
the
> shop
> > > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you
said
> it
> > > > > emptied
> > > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take
some
> > time.
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one
if
> you
> > > > > didnt
> > > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the
> works
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may
or
> > maynot
> > > > > > > exist delt with.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one
to
> bring
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in
> the
> > > > > bedroom
> > > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
> > engine is
> > > > > > > flawed
> > > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling,
will
> cause
> > > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > > > > especially if
> > > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
> > warranty for
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes
from
> first
> > > > > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved
engine
> > is less
> > > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user
> the
> > > > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the
> warranty
> > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
> > factory
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A
> commercial
> > > > > vehicle
> > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in
that
> 12
> > > > > months
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner
only
> > puts on
> > > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually
less
> than
> > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one
> engine
> > > > > > > failure in
> > > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the
Series
> > 60, but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure
record
> is on
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > one?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory
> OConnor"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also
depicts
> the
> > > > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series
> 60 are
> > > > > wet
> > > > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on
> the
> > side
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor
> pitting
> > near
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant
> in the
> > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%
20sleeve%
> > > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single
> cylinder
> > > > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'
> > because it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder
wall
> > (3208's
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so
> coolant
> > > > > > > integrity is
> > > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is
> once your
> > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the
> other
> > > > > seals
> > > > > > > are and
> > > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why
> private
> > > > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

test the r fluid. and run the bus often. I wonder if the loop to the waterheater adds a foreign metal and uncalculated variable to the longevity of the r fluid. the harmonic cadence of the engine in operation and things as simple as a 12 volt e'short can cause metal damage in the engine. all you need is to screw up enough metal at one area near a seal and a sleve lets loose.

trucker gets a short then takes it in the shorts

RobRalways talks about R fluid maintenance, Kinda annoying untill now. Time for me to step up my game .

Greg94pt

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@...> wrote:
>
> So the big question is...is there something, anything, that can be
> done to prevent this failure?
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Can't afford a $30k rebuild
> Memphis
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
> bobandarlene@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> > Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.
> > Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a
> > better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the
> > weather.
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Branson, Mo.
> >
> > > Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
> > > putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> > > > $25-30K for an in-frame?
> > > > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times
> that
> > amount.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a
> > coach
> > > > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three
> months
> > after
> > > > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for
> > is they
> > > > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this
> happens
> > I just
> > > > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a
> little
> > > prayer
> > > > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up
> > there, get
> > > > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > > > 10AC
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
> > > just put
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I
> have
> > no
> > > way
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat
> plugs
> > did
> > > melt.
> > > > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced
> the
> > two
> > > > > > damaged
> > > > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on
> the
> > return
> > > > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the
> > overheat
> > > > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant
> was
> > > dumped.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when
> the
> > shop
> > > > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you
> said
> > it
> > > > > > emptied
> > > > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take
> some
> > > time.
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one
> if
> > you
> > > > > > didnt
> > > > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the
> > works
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may
> or
> > > maynot
> > > > > > > > exist delt with.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one
> to
> > bring
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in
> > the
> > > > > > bedroom
> > > > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
> > > engine is
> > > > > > > > flawed
> > > > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling,
> will
> > cause
> > > > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > > > > > especially if
> > > > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
> > > warranty for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes
> from
> > first
> > > > > > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved
> engine
> > > is less
> > > > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user
> > the
> > > > > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the
> > warranty
> > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
> > > factory
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A
> > commercial
> > > > > > vehicle
> > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in
> that
> > 12
> > > > > > months
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner
> only
> > > puts on
> > > > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually
> less
> > than
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one
> > engine
> > > > > > > > failure in
> > > > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the
> Series
> > > 60, but
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure
> record
> > is on
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > one?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory
> > OConnor"
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also
> depicts
> > the
> > > > > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series
> > 60 are
> > > > > > wet
> > > > > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on
> > the
> > > side
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor
> > pitting
> > > near
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant
> > in the
> > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%
> 20sleeve%
> > > > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single
> > cylinder
> > > > > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'
> > > because it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder
> wall
> > > (3208's
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so
> > coolant
> > > > > > > > integrity is
> > > > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is
> > once your
> > > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the
> > other
> > > > > > seals
> > > > > > > > are and
> > > > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why
> > private
> > > > > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Curt Sprenger]

Greg,

Rob is right in telling us to test the coolant. It should be done at least twice a year, and only after the summer/winter pumps, etc. have been turned on to high coolant flow for a good period of time. Probable best to test in late fall and again April. Test strips should tell the story, or take a sample to a shop that can test the coolant. That is one reason I added the coolant filter in our coach coolant system. The filter additives should help. Just hope I'm not too late. I'm in agreement with what you said, the water heater adds a foreign metal and un-calculated variable to the longevity of the r fluid.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Gregory OConnor <"Gregoryoc@aol.com"> wrote:

test the r fluid. and run the bus often. I wonder if the loop to the waterheater adds a foreign metal and uncalculated variable to the longevity of the r fluid. the harmonic cadence of the engine in operation and things as simple as a 12 volt e'short can cause metal damage in the engine. all you need is to screw up enough metal at one area near a seal and a sleve lets loose.

trucker gets a short then takes it in the shorts

RobRalways talks about R fluid maintenance, Kinda annoying untill now. Time for me to step up my game .

Greg94pt

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@...> wrote:
>
> So the big question is...is there something, anything, that can be

> done to prevent this failure?
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Can't afford a $30k rebuild
> Memphis
>
> --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Bob Lawrence"

> bobandarlene@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> > Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.
> > Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a
> > better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the

> > weather.
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Branson, Mo.
> >
> > > Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
> > > putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.

> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>

> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> > > > $25-30K for an in-frame?
> > > > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?

> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:

> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times
> that
> > amount.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> > > > >
> > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Kurt Horvath"
> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a
> > coach

> > > > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three
> months
> > after
> > > > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for

> > is they
> > > > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this
> happens
> > I just
> > > > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a

> little
> > > prayer
> > > > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up
> > there, get
> > > > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.

> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > > > 10AC
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
> > > just put
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I

> have
> > no
> > > way
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat
> plugs
> > did
> > > melt.

> > > > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced
> the
> > two
> > > > > > damaged
> > > > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on

> the
> > return
> > > > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the
> > overheat
> > > > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant

> was
> > > dumped.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when
> the
> > shop
> > > > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you

> said
> > it
> > > > > > emptied
> > > > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take
> some
> > > time.
> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one
> if
> > you
> > > > > > didnt
> > > > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the

> > works
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may
> or
> > > maynot
> > > > > > > > exist delt with.

> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one
> to
> > bring
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in

> > the
> > > > > > bedroom
> > > > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,

> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"

> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
> > > engine is

> > > > > > > > flawed
> > > > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling,
> will
> > cause
> > > > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true

> > > > > > especially if
> > > > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
> > > warranty for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.

> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes
> from
> > first
> > > > > > > > > indication of a problem.

> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved
> engine
> > > is less
> > > > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user

> > the
> > > > > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the
> > warranty
> > > > > > for a

> > > > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
> > > factory
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A

> > commercial
> > > > > > vehicle
> > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in
> that

> > 12
> > > > > > months
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner
> only
> > > puts on

> > > > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually
> less
> > than
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.

> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one
> > engine
> > > > > > > > failure in

> > > > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the
> Series

> > > 60, but
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure
> record

> > is on
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > one?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> > > > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Gregory

> > OConnor"
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also

> depicts
> > the
> > > > > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series
> > 60 are
> > > > > > wet

> > > > > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on

> > the
> > > side
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor

> > pitting
> > > near
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant

> > in the
> > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%

> > > > > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%
> 20sleeve%
> > > > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The

> > > > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single
> > cylinder
> > > > > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'

> > > because it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder
> wall

> > > (3208's
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so
> > coolant
> > > > > > > > integrity is

> > > > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is
> > once your
> > > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the

> > other
> > > > > > seals
> > > > > > > > are and
> > > > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why
> > private

> > > > > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA

[mbulriss]

Before we go down too many what-if avenues on this, Ron told me early
on that the DD shop thinks the compressor coolant lines burst causing
a loss of coolant. The loss of engine coolant resulted in overheating
and ultimate loss of the engine. I am sure Ron will be around to
verify if that was the case or not when he gets some time to check
in. Those compressor coolant lines have been the topic of much recent
discussion and I think it is time to check mine soon!

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<scottforman75@...> wrote:
>
> So the big question is...is there something, anything, that can be
> done to prevent this failure?
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Can't afford a $30k rebuild
> Memphis
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> > Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.
> > Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a
> > better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the
> > weather.
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Branson, Mo.
> >
> > > Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
> > > putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> > > > $25-30K for an in-frame?
> > > > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times
> that
> > amount.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a
> > coach
> > > > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three
> months
> > after
> > > > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for
> > is they
> > > > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this
> happens
> > I just
> > > > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a
> little
> > > prayer
> > > > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up
> > there, get
> > > > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > > > 10AC
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
> > > just put
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I
> have
> > no
> > > way
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat
> plugs
> > did
> > > melt.
> > > > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced
> the
> > two
> > > > > > damaged
> > > > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on
> the
> > return
> > > > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the
> > overheat
> > > > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant
> was
> > > dumped.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when
> the
> > shop
> > > > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you
> said
> > it
> > > > > > emptied
> > > > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take
> some
> > > time.
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one
> if
> > you
> > > > > > didnt
> > > > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the
> > works
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may
> or
> > > maynot
> > > > > > > > exist delt with.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one
> to
> > bring
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in
> > the
> > > > > > bedroom
> > > > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
> > > engine is
> > > > > > > > flawed
> > > > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling,
> will
> > cause
> > > > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > > > > > especially if
> > > > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
> > > warranty for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes
> from
> > first
> > > > > > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved
> engine
> > > is less
> > > > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user
> > the
> > > > > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the
> > warranty
> > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
> > > factory
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A
> > commercial
> > > > > > vehicle
> > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in
> that
> > 12
> > > > > > months
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner
> only
> > > puts on
> > > > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually
> less
> > than
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one
> > engine
> > > > > > > > failure in
> > > > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the
> Series
> > > 60, but
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure
> record
> > is on
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > one?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory
> > OConnor"
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also
> depicts
> > the
> > > > > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series
> > 60 are
> > > > > > wet
> > > > > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on
> > the
> > > side
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor
> > pitting
> > > near
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant
> > in the
> > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%
> 20sleeve%
> > > > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single
> > cylinder
> > > > > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'
> > > because it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder
> wall
> > > (3208's
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so
> > coolant
> > > > > > > > integrity is
> > > > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is
> > once your
> > > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the
> > other
> > > > > > seals
> > > > > > > > are and
> > > > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why
> > private
> > > > > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Curt Sprenger]

Mike,

Agree on the what-if-avenues. Ron should have posted that information. Maybe I missed it. Sorry if I did miss it.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM, mbulriss <"mbulriss@yahoo.com"> wrote:

Before we go down too many what-if avenues on this, Ron told me early

on that the DD shop thinks the compressor coolant lines burst causing

a loss of coolant. The loss of engine coolant resulted in overheating

and ultimate loss of the engine. I am sure Ron will be around to

verify if that was the case or not when he gets some time to check

in. Those compressor coolant lines have been the topic of much recent

discussion and I think it is time to check mine soon!

Mike Bulriss

1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"

San Antonio, TX



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Scott Forman"

<scottforman75@...> wrote:

>

> So the big question is...is there something, anything, that can be

> done to prevent this failure?

>

> Scott Forman

> 86 PT38

> Can't afford a $30k rebuild

> Memphis

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Bob Lawrence"

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Ron,

> > Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.

> > Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a

> > better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the

> > weather.

> > Bob Lawrence

> > 84 PT36

> > Branson, Mo.

> >

> > > Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,

> > > putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.

> > >

> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> > >

> > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Good grief Ron! Sorry!

> > > > $25-30K for an in-frame?

> > > > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?

> > > >

> > > > Mike Bulriss

> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"

> > > > San Antonio, TX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times

> that

> > amount.

> > > > >

> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Kurt Horvath"

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ron,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a

> > coach

> > > > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three

> months

> > after

> > > > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for

> > is they

> > > > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this

> happens

> > I just

> > > > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a

> little

> > > prayer

> > > > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up

> > there, get

> > > > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kurt Horvath

> > > > > > 95 PT-42

> > > > > > 10AC

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to

> > > just put

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I

> have

> > no

> > > way

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat

> plugs

> > did

> > > melt.

> > > > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced

> the

> > two

> > > > > > damaged

> > > > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on

> the

> > return

> > > > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the

> > overheat

> > > > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant

> was

> > > dumped.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor"

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when

> the

> > shop

> > > > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you

> said

> > it

> > > > > > emptied

> > > > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take

> some

> > > time.

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one

> if

> > you

> > > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the

> > works

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may

> or

> > > maynot

> > > > > > > > exist delt with.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one

> to

> > bring

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in

> > the

> > > > > > bedroom

> > > > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Greg

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved

> > > engine is

> > > > > > > > flawed

> > > > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling,

> will

> > cause

> > > > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true

> > > > > > especially if

> > > > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your

> > > warranty for

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes

> from

> > first

> > > > > > > > > indication of a problem.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved

> engine

> > > is less

> > > > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user

> > the

> > > > > > > > scapegoat in

> > > > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the

> > warranty

> > > > > > for a

> > > > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The

> > > factory

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A

> > commercial

> > > > > > vehicle

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in

> that

> > 12

> > > > > > months

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner

> only

> > > puts on

> > > > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually

> less

> > than

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one

> > engine

> > > > > > > > failure in

> > > > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the

> Series

> > > 60, but

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure

> record

> > is on

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > one?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> > > > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory

> > OConnor"

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also

> depicts

> > the

> > > > > > > > importance on

> > > > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series

> > 60 are

> > > > > > wet

> > > > > > > > sleeve

> > > > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on

> > the

> > > side

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor

> > pitting

> > > near

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > seal on

> > > > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant

> > in the

> > > > > > oil.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%

> > > > > > > > 20sleeve\

> > > > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%

> 20sleeve%

> > > > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The

> > > > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single

> > cylinder

> > > > > > > > inframe is not

> > > > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'

> > > because it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder

> wall

> > > (3208's

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so

> > coolant

> > > > > > > > integrity is

> > > > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is

> > once your

> > > > > > > > engine

> > > > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the

> > other

> > > > > > seals

> > > > > > > > are and

> > > > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why

> > private

> > > > > > > > coaches are

> > > > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Greg

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA