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02-23-2009, 07:35
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Your analysis is probably correct. The later WLs have no generator battery (it uses the house batteries or the house batteries and the engine batteries combined) and separate engine batteries.
My coach has 3 (type 35, I think) engine batteries and 6 type 4-D house batteries. I don't see why you couldn't rewire your 12 volt systems to isolate the starter circuit from the house batteries -- then add some batteries to start the 8v92. (You'll need to do the math to figure out what's batteries are best for your engine, as I have the DD S-60.) In the rewiring, you'll also need to consider how you'll charge the engine batteries while you're on shore power and while you're on the road. Ideally, having a separate 3-stage charger for the engine batteries might be best, but the OEM arrangement on my coach has me tie the engine batteries together with the coach batteries for shore power charging. This is managed by a Link 2000-R controller (that manages the dual inverter/chargers in my coach). Over the road, the Link 2000-R controller also handle the output from the alternator, replacing (or overriding) the internal voltage regulator. Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale) El Sobrante CA "aeonix1@mac.com" On Feb 22, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
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02-23-2009, 09:26
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Dan, 8D batteries are usually used for starting, and I am not sure that they would be a good choice to use as house batteries. They are expensive however, and if you wanted to replace them with alternative starting batts. you may try these. I have a 1981 Eagle Model 10 with a 8V71, that came from the factory with (3) group 31 batts connected in parallel, each with its own cutoff so you can check for a bad batt. When I replaced these a few yrs. ago I bought the ones with the highest amp ratings that I could find. They have lasted a lot longer than the cheap ones that the P.O. used. Good Luck, George Burke 1977 FC31 Charlotte
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dan Williams <"danusa@comcast.net"> wrote:
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02-23-2009, 09:34
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Jon, you might check if your gen head does not have a 12 or 24volt
output. many of the genheads do. powertec said my unit has one but they never elaborated further nor did I follow up Greg ofTim&Greg 94ptca--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" > > There was a thread on here about battery's just about a week ago and I > was wondering why can't you use single 12 volt batterys in our > coaches? Of course they would be the type that hold a charge for > longer durations than a standard 12 volt. I would also install > another set of a batterys for the generator itself. Jon > |
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02-23-2009, 09:55
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4D and 8D batteries are a size, not a kind. Depending on the manufacturer, they can be found in both 'starting' and 'deep discharge' designs as well as normal 'flooded cell' and AGM construction.
In a deep discharge design, the 4D batteries I have offer about 200 amp-hours capacity. The somewhat wider 8D model offers 240 amp-hours of capacity. Here is the brochure from the manufacturer of he batteries I have Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 (For Sale) El Sobrante CA "aeonix1@mac.com" On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:26 PM, George Burke wrote:
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02-24-2009, 10:23
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On my coach I have 6 6 volt batteries, 2 chassis and 4 for the house.
All batteries a linked, and I could use all 6 for dry camping but when I am dry camping for an extended period I disconnect the blade switch to remove the chassis batteries from the system. By doing this I always have 2 batteries to start the bus. Sometimes I will have all six in service but I will recharge and disconect the 2 chassis batteries the day before departure so I will have 2 in reserve to start the bus. John M. 88FC35 Louisville, KY |
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02-27-2009, 18:08
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George, Really the 8D’s are not Dan Williams, 88WB38, From: Dan, 8D batteries are usually used for starting, and I am not sure that they would be a good choice to use as house batteries. They are expensive however, and if you wanted to replace them with alternative starting batts. you may try these. I have a 1981 Eagle Model 10 with a 8V71, that came from the factory with (3) group 31 batts connected in parallel, each with its own cutoff so you can check for a bad batt. When I replaced these a few yrs. ago I bought the ones with the highest amp ratings that I could find. They have lasted a lot longer than the cheap ones that the P.O. used. Good Luck, George Burke 1977 FC31 On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dan Williams <"danusa@comcast.net"> wrote: Jon, The older coaches Dan 88PT38 From: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
There was a thread on here about battery's just about was wondering why can't you use single 12 volt |
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02-28-2009, 02:12
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I liked the 8-D's in our Newell. We have 4-D's in the LXi now. Only disadvantage is how heavy and awkward they are.
Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@... To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com From: danusa@... Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:08:12 -0600 Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please George, Really the 8Dâs are not expensive. I started with six Trojan golfcart batteries and a truecharge 40+ charger. Then I changed to six AGM golfcart batteries and a Xantrex RV2512GS inverter/charger. The Trojans cost me about $350 and the Lifeline about $600. The 8D batteries are blems or refurb exide and cost $40 each. I just now installed them so I donât have much history but if I get overnight camping out of them I will be happy. I will look into the group 31 batts. BTW, I used to live in Rock Hill, SC just south of Charlotte and was a member of the Rock Hill Civil Air Patrol and EMS. I really enjoyed the people, the climate and the hospitality there a lot and I hope to get back there someday.. Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS
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Dan, 8D batteries are usually used for starting, and I am not sure that they would be a good choice to use as house batteries. They are expensive however, and if you wanted to replace them with alternative starting batts. you may try these. I have a 1981 Eagle Model 10 with a 8V71, that came from the factory with (3) group 31 batts connected in parallel, each with its own cutoff so you can check for a bad batt. When I replaced these a few yrs. ago I bought the ones with the highest amp ratings that I could find. They have lasted a lot longer than the cheap ones that the P.O. used. Good Luck, George Burke 1977 FC31 Charlotte On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dan Williams <"danusa@comcast.net"> wrote: Jon, The older coaches used the same batteries for starting and dry camping. That is really not a good idea because then you will be trying to start the coach with low voltage batteries after a night of dry camping and that is bad for the starter. Right now I have two 8D batteries plus a generator battery in my coach. It takes two 8D's because one is not enough CCA to start the 8v92. Each one has 1300 CCA. What I would like to do, but I don't know how to do it, is add two more high amp starting batteries just for starting the engine and separate the 8D's to be used for house batteries. That way the starting batteries should always be at full voltage and the house batteries can be run low and then charged by the engine alternator. I think the six volt batteries were an attempt to get more camping amp hours out of the battery bank but the bigger problem with older coaches is the single battery bank IMO.
Dan 88PT38 Jackson, MS
From: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of Jon
There was a thread on here about battery's just about a week ago and I was wondering why can't you use single 12 volt batterys in our Windows Liveâ¢: Life without walls. Check it out. |
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02-28-2009, 04:22
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Too much power in reserve has little value. I have a battery bank for
the Bus'house with over 700 lbs of Trojan L-16's. they would last three to four days without charge but when it comes time to charge you have to run the genset 4 times as long as you would have to run/charge if you were to charge once a day. My set up would be great for some one like CurtS who visits the desert for a weekend at a time and the trip to and from would be charge time via the alts and docking shore power. the big problem with a large bank is the replacement cost. I understand all batteries are best to renew at the same time. My '90 Newell didnt hold a candle to the Wanderlodge as far as quality but I am kinda thinking it is time to revisit that last american Coach for my next unit Greg ofTim&Greg 94ptCa --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@...> wrote: > > > I liked the 8-D's in our Newell. We have 4-D's in the LXi now. Only disadvantage is how heavy and awkward they are. > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@... > > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > From: danusa@... > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:08:12 -0600 > Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > > > > George, Really the 8D's are not expensive. I started with six Trojan golfcart batteries and a truecharge 40+ charger. Then I changed to six AGM golfcart batteries and a Xantrex RV2512GS inverter/charger. The Trojans cost me about $350 and the Lifeline about $600. The 8D batteries are blems or refurb exide and cost $40 each. I just now installed them so I don't have much history but if I get overnight camping out of them I will be happy. I will look into the group 31 batts. BTW, I used to live in Rock Hill, SC just south of Charlotte and was a member of the Rock Hill Civil Air Patrol and EMS. I really enjoyed the people, the climate and the hospitality there a lot and I hope to get back there someday.. > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Burke > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:27 PM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > Dan, 8D batteries are usually used for starting, and I am not sure that they would be a good choice to use as house batteries. They are expensive however, and if you wanted to replace them with alternative starting batts. you may try these. I have a 1981 Eagle Model 10 with a 8V71, that came from the factory with (3) group 31 batts connected in parallel, each with its own cutoff so you can check for a bad batt. When I replaced these a few yrs. ago I bought the ones with the highest amp ratings that I could find. They have lasted a lot longer than the cheap ones that the P.O. used. Good Luck, George Burke 1977 FC31 Charlotte > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dan Williams > > > > > > Jon, The older coaches used the same batteries for starting and dry camping. That is really not a good idea because then you will be trying to start the coach with low voltage batteries after a night of dry camping and that is bad for the starter. Right now I have two 8D batteries plus a generator battery in my coach. It takes two 8D's because one is not enough CCA to start the 8v92. Each one has 1300 CCA. What I would like to do, but I don't know how to do it, is add two more high amp starting batteries just for starting the engine and separate the 8D's to be used for house batteries. That way the starting batteries should always be at full voltage and the house batteries can be run low and then charged by the engine alternator. I think the six volt batteries were an attempt to get more camping amp hours out of the battery bank but the bigger problem with older coaches is the single battery bank IMO. > > Dan > 88PT38 > Jackson, MS > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:28 AM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > There was a thread on here about battery's just about a week ago and I > > was wondering why can't you use single 12 volt batterys in our > coaches? Of course they would be the type that hold a charge for > longer durations than a standard 12 volt. I would also install > another set of a batterys for the generator itself. Jon > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Liveâ¢: Life without walls. > http://windowslive.com/explore? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 > |
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02-28-2009, 15:21
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Greg,
Exactly. Newell builds a nice coach but the interior fit and finish is nowhere near Blue Bird. The Newell advantage is handling. The one I had was a pleasure to drive and it never porpoised like a Wanderlodge. With 2/3rds of the weight under the floor, the low center of gravity kept the coach relatively flat in corners and very responsive at the wheel. The other nice thing is..I believe the same people have always owned Newell. It's a tight, closely held company with long-term employees and a real family atmosphere. But there's no perfect coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@... To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com From: Petrover1@... Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:22:28 +0000 Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Could somebody anwer this please
Too much power in reserve has little value. I have a battery bank for
the Bus'house with over 700 lbs of Trojan L-16's. they would last three to four days without charge but when it comes time to charge you have to run the genset 4 times as long as you would have to run/charge if you were to charge once a day. My set up would be great for some one like CurtS who visits the desert for a weekend at a time and the trip to and from would be charge time via the alts and docking shore power. the big problem with a large bank is the replacement cost. I understand all batteries are best to renew at the same time. My '90 Newell didnt hold a candle to the Wanderlodge as far as quality but I am kinda thinking it is time to revisit that last american Coach for my next unit Greg ofTim&Greg 94ptCa --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", brad barton <bbartonwx@.<WBR>..> wrote: > > > I liked the 8-D's in our Newell. We have 4-D's in the LXi now. Only disadvantage is how heavy and awkward they are. > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@.. > > > > > > To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" > From: danusa@... > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:08:12 -0600 > Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > > > > George, Really the 8D's are not expensive. I started with six Trojan golfcart batteries and a truecharge 40+ charger. Then I changed to six AGM golfcart batteries and a Xantrex RV2512GS inverter/charger. The Trojans cost me about $350 and the Lifeline about $600. The 8D batteries are blems or refurb exide and cost $40 each. I just now installed them so I don't have much history but if I get overnight camping out of them I will be happy. I will look into the group 31 batts. BTW, I used to live in Rock Hill, SC just south of Charlotte and was a member of the Rock Hill Civil Air Patrol and EMS. I really enjoyed the people, the climate and the hospitality there a lot and I hope to get back there someday.. > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > > > From: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of George Burke > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:27 PM > To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > Dan, 8D batteries are usually used for starting, and I am not sure that they would be a good choice to use as house batteries. They are expensive however, and if you wanted to replace them with alternative starting batts. you may try these. I have a 1981 Eagle Model 10 with a 8V71, that came from the factory with (3) group 31 batts connected in parallel, each with its own cutoff so you can check for a bad batt. When I replaced these a few yrs. ago I bought the ones with the highest amp ratings that I could find. They have lasted a lot longer than the cheap ones that the P.O. used. Good Luck, George Burke 1977 FC31 Charlotte > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dan Williams > > > > > > Jon, The older coaches used the same batteries for starting and dry camping. That is really not a good idea because then you will be trying to start the coach with low voltage batteries after a night of dry camping and that is bad for the starter. Right now I have two 8D batteries plus a generator battery in my coach. It takes two 8D's because one is not enough CCA to start the 8v92. Each one has 1300 CCA. What I would like to do, but I don't know how to do it, is add two more high amp starting batteries just for starting the engine and separate the 8D's to be used for house batteries. That way the starting batteries should always be at full voltage and the house batteries can be run low and then charged by the engine alternator. I think the six volt batteries were an attempt to get more camping amp hours out of the battery bank but the bigger problem with older coaches is the single battery bank IMO. > > Dan > 88PT38 > Jackson, MS > > > > > > From: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of Jon > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:28 AM > To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > There was a thread on here about battery's just about a week ago and I > > was wondering why can't you use single 12 volt batterys in our > coaches? Of course they would be the type that hold a charge for > longer durations than a standard 12 volt. I would also install > another set of a batterys for the generator itself. Jon > > > > > > > > > > ____________ > Windows Liveâ¢: Life without walls. > http://windowslive. ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more. |
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03-01-2009, 01:03
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For interest,the handling of the new Wanderlodges with IFS was
great.The new Foretravel IFS should be good,great interiors, but fiber walls. As for Newell, nice coach, but far overweight and illegal. They have a 28,000 drive axle and run 24,000 empty. Why would anyone consider that. Ross 2006 LXi Prevost or tent. > > Greg, > > Exactly. Newell builds a nice coach but the interior fit and finish is nowhere near Blue Bird. The Newell advantage is handling. The one I had was a pleasure to drive and it never porpoised like a Wanderlodge. With 2/3rds of the weight under the floor, the low center of gravity kept the coach relatively flat in corners and very responsive at the wheel. The other nice thing is..I believe the same people have always owned Newell. It's a tight, closely held company with long-term employees and a real family atmosphere. But there's no perfect coach. > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@... > > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > From: Petrover1@... > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:22:28 +0000 > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > > Too much power in reserve has little value. I have a battery bank for > the Bus'house with over 700 lbs of Trojan L-16's. they would last > three to four days without charge but when it comes time to charge > you have to run the genset 4 times as long as you would have to > run/charge if you were to charge once a day. My set up would be great > for some one like CurtS who visits the desert for a weekend at a > time and the trip to and from would be charge time via the alts and > docking shore power. the big problem with a large bank is the > replacement cost. I understand all batteries are best to renew at the > same time. My '90 Newell didnt hold a candle to the Wanderlodge as > far as quality but I am kinda thinking it is time to revisit that > last american Coach for my next unit > Greg ofTim&Greg > 94ptCa --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton > <bbartonwx@> wrote: > > > > > > I liked the 8-D's in our Newell. We have 4-D's in the LXi now. > Only disadvantage is how heavy and awkward they are. > > > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ > > > > > > > > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > From: danusa@ > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:08:12 -0600 > > Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George, Really the 8D's are not expensive. I started with six > Trojan golfcart batteries and a truecharge 40+ charger. Then I > changed to six AGM golfcart batteries and a Xantrex RV2512GS > inverter/charger. The Trojans cost me about $350 and the Lifeline > about $600. The 8D batteries are blems or refurb exide and cost $40 > each. I just now installed them so I don't have much history but if > I get overnight camping out of them I will be happy. I will look > into the group 31 batts. BTW, I used to live in Rock Hill, SC just > south of Charlotte and was a member of the Rock Hill Civil Air Patrol > and EMS. I really enjoyed the people, the climate and the > hospitality there a lot and I hope to get back there someday.. > > > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Burke > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:27 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > > > > > > Dan, 8D batteries are usually used for starting, and I am not sure > that they would be a good choice to use as house batteries. They are > expensive however, and if you wanted to replace them with alternative > starting batts. you may try these. I have a 1981 Eagle Model 10 with > a 8V71, that came from the factory with (3) group 31 batts connected > in parallel, each with its own cutoff so you can check for a bad > batt. When I replaced these a few yrs. ago I bought the ones with the > highest amp ratings that I could find. They have lasted a lot longer > than the cheap ones that the P.O. used. Good Luck, George Burke 1977 > FC31 Charlotte > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dan Williams > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon, The older coaches used the same batteries for starting and dry > camping. That is really not a good idea because then you will be > trying to start the coach with low voltage batteries after a night of > dry camping and that is bad for the starter. Right now I have two 8D > batteries plus a generator battery in my coach. It takes two 8D's > because one is not enough CCA to start the 8v92. Each one has 1300 > CCA. What I would like to do, but I don't know how to do it, is add > two more high amp starting batteries just for starting the engine and > separate the 8D's to be used for house batteries. That way the > starting batteries should always be at full voltage and the house > batteries can be run low and then charged by the engine alternator. > I think the six volt batteries were an attempt to get more camping > amp hours out of the battery bank but the bigger problem with older > coaches is the single battery bank IMO. > > > > Dan > > 88PT38 > > Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:28 AM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Could somebody anwer this please > > > > > > > > > > There was a thread on here about battery's just about a week ago > and I > > > > was wondering why can't you use single 12 volt batterys in our > > coaches? Of course they would be the type that hold a charge for > > longer durations than a standard 12 volt. I would also install > > another set of a batterys for the generator itself. Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Windows Liveâ¢: Life without walls. > > http://windowslive.com/explore? > ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 > |
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