Looking at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40 ft.

[Cheryl]

We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today. It is my first
experience in looking at this brand. In doing a google search, it appears that
Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.

How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price for
an '85 with 81K miles? The NADA is between $22K to $26K.

Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.

We have a daughter in Tucson and plan to use the motorhome for travel as we are
not campers - yet! We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.

Feel free to email me directly.

Thanks!
Cheryl
Massachusetts

[Pete Masterson]

You have come to the right place to get information about Bluebird Wanderlodges.

Complete Coachworks bought out the Wanderlodge company -- but recently, due to the financial crisis, their lender pulled the plug and the WL division went bankrupt and is officially out of business. The plant and inventory was auctioned a couple of days ago.

However, Bluebirds basically use off the shelf parts from a number of vendors, so most of the items you might need are readily available. The only things that might prove troublesome are body parts. The Detroit Diesel 8v92 is an obsolete engine, but there are tens of thousands of them in use in boats, busses, and trucks, so parts are still available and are likely to be so for some time.

NADA prices are very unreliable for vehicles with a "thin" market. The value of any particular coach depends very significantly on the condition. One '85 might be overpriced at $15,000 and another '85 might be a tremendous bargain at $30,000 -- condition trumps age and miles. Raw miles aren't a big concern as these are built on a tough school bus chassis that was intended for years of service for hundreds of thousands of miles. Indeed, a too-low mileage coach might have been sitting (and rotting) moderate use is a sign that the coach has been taken care of and kept in good running condition. (I have 140K miles on my coach.)

To get a feel for "going" prices, take a look at Birdconnection.com, VintageBirds.com, andBuyByeBluebird.com. Keep in mind that asking prices may be higher than actual selling prices. Also check out eBay and search for "Bluebird" and/or "Wanderlodge" to see what's currently on the market. Search for recent sales.

This is an excellent time to buy as prices have softened considerably during this economic situation.

Note, I purchased my BlueBird because I wanted a solid-riding, highway coach. I also appreciated the safety of the all-steel construction. The "narrow body" coaches (built before 1989) are built on a school bus chassis and have been "roll certified" under DOT standards. After 1989, the "wide body" models were built on a highway bus chassis made by Blue Bird, and while they were not roll certified (as it wasn't required for intercity busses, only school busses) they were built to the same engineering standards as the school busses.

One final point, the Wanderlodge was a high-end RV. It has many features that less well appointed RVs do not have. As a result, they are complex vehicles with many systems to learn. This list (and other Wanderlodge online groups) provide excellent support especially for the newcomer. Stick around for awhile and you'll learn a lot about these coaches.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Cheryl wrote:

We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today. It is my first experience in looking at this brand. In doing a google search, it appears that Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.

How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price for an '85 with 81K miles? The NADA is between $22K to $26K.

Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.

We have a daughter in Tucson and plan to use the motorhome for travel as we are not campers - yet! We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.

Feel free to email me directly.

Thanks!
Cheryl
Massachusetts



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[sfedeli3]

Cheryl,

I'd venture to say that the coach was not used enough. The market is soft
right now, so you may be able to get the seller down in the 30's if they are
motivated. Parts are easy to come by, but skilled labor is not. Unless you are
comfortable with a digital multimeter, moonlighting as a diesel mechanic and
enjoy a bloody knuckle now and then (LOL), the coach will eat you alive with
labor costs. Does the seller have a list of upgrades and repairs?

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Cheryl" wrote:
>
> We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today. It is my first
experience in looking at this brand. In doing a google search, it appears that
Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.
>
> How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price
for an '85 with 81K miles? The NADA is between $22K to $26K.
>
> Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.
>
> We have a daughter in Tucson and plan to use the motorhome for travel as we
are not campers - yet! We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.
>
> Feel free to email me directly.
>
> Thanks!
> Cheryl
> Massachusetts
>

[jqrjr@...]

Pete,

Great job except I have an 88 wide body

Thanks

Jim Riordan

On Apr 22, 2009, at 20:42, Pete Masterson <"aeonix1@mac.com"> wrote:

You have come to the right place to get information about Bluebird Wanderlodges. 

Complete Coachworks bought out the Wanderlodge company -- but recently, due to the financial crisis, their lender pulled the plug and the WL division went bankrupt and is officially out of business. The plant and inventory was auctioned a couple of days ago.

However, Bluebirds basically use off the shelf parts from a number of vendors, so most of the items you might need are readily available. The only things that might prove troublesome are body parts. The Detroit Diesel 8v92 is an obsolete engine, but there are tens of thousands of them in use in boats, busses, and trucks, so parts are still available and are likely to be so for some time. 

NADA prices are very unreliable for vehicles with a "thin" market. The value of any particular coach depends very significantly on the condition. One
'85 might be overpriced at $15,000 and another '85 might be a tremendous bargain at $30,000 -- condition trumps age and miles. Raw miles aren't a big concern as these are built on a tough school bus chassis that was intended for years of service for hundreds of thousands of miles. Indeed, a too-low mileage coach might have been sitting (and rotting) moderate use is a sign that the coach has been taken care of and kept in good running condition. (I have 140K miles on my coach.)

To get a feel for "going" prices, take a look at Birdconnection.com, VintageBirds.com, and BuyByeBluebird.com. Keep in mind that asking prices may be higher than actual selling prices. Also check out eBay and search for "Bluebird" and/or "Wanderlodge" to see what's currently on the market. Search for recent sales. 

This is an excellent time to buy as prices have softened considerably during this economic
situation.

Note, I purchased my BlueBird because I wanted a solid-riding, highway coach. I also appreciated the safety of the all-steel construction. The "narrow body" coaches (built before 1989) are built on a school bus chassis and have been "roll certified" under DOT standards. After 1989, the "wide body" models were built on a highway bus chassis made by Blue Bird, and while they were not roll certified (as it wasn't required for intercity busses, only school busses) they were built to the same engineering standards as the school busses. 

One final point, the Wanderlodge was a high-end RV. It has many features that less well appointed RVs do not have. As a result, they are complex vehicles with many systems to learn. This list (and other Wanderlodge online groups) provide excellent support especially for the newcomer. Stick around for awhile and you'll learn a lot about these
coaches. 

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Cheryl wrote:

We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today.  It is my first experience in looking at this brand.  In doing a google search, it appears that Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.

How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price for an '85 with 81K miles?  The NADA is between $22K to $26K.

Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.

We have a daughter in Tucson and plan
to use the motorhome for travel as we are not campers - yet!  We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.

Feel free to email me directly.  

Thanks!
Cheryl
Massachusetts



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[jqrjr@...]

Pete,

Great job except I have an 88 wide body

Thanks

Jim Riordan

On Apr 22, 2009, at 20:42, Pete Masterson <"aeonix1@mac.com"> wrote:

You have come to the right place to get information about Bluebird Wanderlodges. 

Complete Coachworks bought out the Wanderlodge company -- but recently, due to the financial crisis, their lender pulled the plug and the WL division went bankrupt and is officially out of business. The plant and inventory was auctioned a couple of days ago.

However, Bluebirds basically use off the shelf parts from a number of vendors, so most of the items you might need are readily available. The only things that might prove troublesome are body parts. The Detroit Diesel 8v92 is an obsolete engine, but there are tens of thousands of them in use in boats, busses, and trucks, so parts are still available and are likely to be so for some time. 

NADA prices are very unreliable for vehicles with a "thin" market. The value of any particular coach depends very significantly on the condition. One
'85 might be overpriced at $15,000 and another '85 might be a tremendous bargain at $30,000 -- condition trumps age and miles. Raw miles aren't a big concern as these are built on a tough school bus chassis that was intended for years of service for hundreds of thousands of miles. Indeed, a too-low mileage coach might have been sitting (and rotting) moderate use is a sign that the coach has been taken care of and kept in good running condition. (I have 140K miles on my coach.)

To get a feel for "going" prices, take a look at Birdconnection.com, VintageBirds.com, and BuyByeBluebird.com. Keep in mind that asking prices may be higher than actual selling prices. Also check out eBay and search for "Bluebird" and/or "Wanderlodge" to see what's currently on the market. Search for recent sales. 

This is an excellent time to buy as prices have softened considerably during this economic
situation.

Note, I purchased my BlueBird because I wanted a solid-riding, highway coach. I also appreciated the safety of the all-steel construction. The "narrow body" coaches (built before 1989) are built on a school bus chassis and have been "roll certified" under DOT standards. After 1989, the "wide body" models were built on a highway bus chassis made by Blue Bird, and while they were not roll certified (as it wasn't required for intercity busses, only school busses) they were built to the same engineering standards as the school busses. 

One final point, the Wanderlodge was a high-end RV. It has many features that less well appointed RVs do not have. As a result, they are complex vehicles with many systems to learn. This list (and other Wanderlodge online groups) provide excellent support especially for the newcomer. Stick around for awhile and you'll learn a lot about these
coaches. 

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Cheryl wrote:

We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today.  It is my first experience in looking at this brand.  In doing a google search, it appears that Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.

How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price for an '85 with 81K miles?  The NADA is between $22K to $26K.

Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.

We have a daughter in Tucson and plan
to use the motorhome for travel as we are not campers - yet!  We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.

Feel free to email me directly.  

Thanks!
Cheryl
Massachusetts



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[Pete Masterson]

Jim,

If I understand correctly, the last narrow body units sold through 1988 and possibly intoearly 1989 and the wide body units started selling in 1988. So, theperhaps somewhat arbitrary dividing point is that after 1989 only wide body tag axle WLs were sold and narrow body coaches were "built before 1989."

Looking at the Vintage Birds web site, they show the wide body in 38' and 40' introduced in 1988. But the narrow body FC35 and PT36, PT38 and PT40 were still being offered. The last FC (apparently) was in 1989.

The SP 36 (narrow body) continued until 1992. But the tag axle coaches were all WB from 1989 onward. So, except for the SP, the narrow body PT models were "before 1989."

Honestly, I'd forgotten about the SP as I usually think about the PT or WB when considering the evolution.

Likewise, the transition from the DD 8v92 spreads over several years with the S-60 engine introduced in '95 but the 8v92 not being phased out entirely until the 1997 model introduction (when the 40' became the 41').

In '98 the 40' LX with the M11 Cummins engine appeared ... but there must be mighty few of them as I've not encountered any on the list. (Or the owners just are quiet.)

Visit the history page at VintageBirds.com and then click the link for "Wanderloge Model Changes" just under the drawing of BB Wl #1.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Apr 22, 2009, at 6:27 PM, "jqrjr@yahoo.com" wrote:

Pete,

Great job except I have an 88 wide body

Thanks

Jim Riordan

On Apr 22, 2009, at 20:42, Pete Masterson <"aeonix1@mac.com"> wrote:

You have come to the right place to get information about Bluebird Wanderlodges.

Complete Coachworks bought out the Wanderlodge company -- but recently, due to the financial crisis, their lender pulled the plug and the WL division went bankrupt and is officially out of business. The plant and inventory was auctioned a couple of days ago.

However, Bluebirds basically use off the shelf parts from a number of vendors, so most of the items you might need are readily available. The only things that might prove troublesome are body parts. The Detroit Diesel 8v92 is an obsolete engine, but there are tens of thousands of them in use in boats, busses, and trucks, so parts are still available and are likely to be so for some time.

NADA prices are very unreliable for vehicles with a "thin" market. The value of any particular coach depends very significantly on the condition. One '85 might be overpriced at $15,000 and another '85 might be a tremendous bargain at $30,000 -- condition trumps age and miles. Raw miles aren't a big concern as these are built on a tough school bus chassis that was intended for years of service for hundreds of thousands of miles. Indeed, a too-low mileage coach might have been sitting (and rotting) moderate use is a sign that the coach has been taken care of and kept in good running condition. (I have 140K miles on my coach.)

To get a feel for "going" prices, take a look at Birdconnection.com, VintageBirds.com, andBuyByeBluebird.com. Keep in mind that asking prices may be higher than actual selling prices. Also check out eBay and search for "Bluebird" and/or "Wanderlodge" to see what's currently on the market. Search for recent sales.

This is an excellent time to buy as prices have softened considerably during this economic situation.

Note, I purchased my BlueBird because I wanted a solid-riding, highway coach. I also appreciated the safety of the all-steel construction. The "narrow body" coaches (built before 1989) are built on a school bus chassis and have been "roll certified" under DOT standards. After 1989, the "wide body" models were built on a highway bus chassis made by Blue Bird, and while they were not roll certified (as it wasn't required for intercity busses, only school busses) they were built to the same engineering standards as the school busses.

One final point, the Wanderlodge was a high-end RV. It has many features that less well appointed RVs do not have. As a result, they are complex vehicles with many systems to learn. This list (and other Wanderlodge online groups) provide excellent support especially for the newcomer. Stick around for awhile and you'll learn a lot about these coaches.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Cheryl wrote:

We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today. It is my first experience in looking at this brand. In doing a google search, it appears that Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.

How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price for an '85 with 81K miles? The NADA is between $22K to $26K.

Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.

We have a daughter in Tucson and plan to use the motorhome for travel as we are not campers - yet! We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.

Feel free to email me directly.

Thanks!
Cheryl
Massachusetts



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[Fred Hulse]

Ibelieve Jim Riordan was around to help write the Vintage Birds Site.

If he didn't,he could have.

Fred Hulse

[David Brady]

The only thing I would add to Pete's excellent response is that
the Wanderlodges built before 1989 on the narrow body "All
American" chassis are not NHTSA roll certified. The All American
chassis is roll certified in school bus trim but not in Wanderlodge
trim. Blue Bird never crushed any Wanderlodges.

David Brady
'02 LXi, NC

-----Original Message-----

From: Pete Masterson

Sent: Apr 22, 2009 7:42 PM

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Looking at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40 ft.

You have come to the right place to get information about Bluebird Wanderlodges.

Complete Coachworks bought out the Wanderlodge company -- but recently, due to the financial crisis, their lender pulled the plug and the WL division went bankrupt and is officially out of business. The plant and inventory was auctioned a couple of days ago.

However, Bluebirds basically use off the shelf parts from a number of vendors, so most of the items you might need are readily available. The only things that might prove troublesome are body parts. The Detroit Diesel 8v92 is an obsolete engine, but there are tens of thousands of them in use in boats, busses, and trucks, so parts are still available and are likely to be so for some time.

NADA prices are very unreliable for vehicles with a "thin" market. The value of any particular coach depends very significantly on the condition. One '85 might be overpriced at $15,000 and another '85 might be a tremendous bargain at $30,000 -- condition trumps age and miles. Raw miles aren't a big concern as these are built on a tough school bus chassis that was intended for years of service for hundreds of thousands of miles. Indeed, a too-low mileage coach might have been sitting (and rotting) moderate use is a sign that the coach has been taken care of and kept in good running condition. (I have 140K miles on my coach.)

To get a feel for "going" prices, take a look at Birdconnection.com, VintageBirds.com, andBuyByeBluebird.com. Keep in mind that asking prices may be higher than actual selling prices. Also check out eBay and search for "Bluebird" and/or "Wanderlodge" to see what's currently on the market. Search for recent sales.

This is an excellent time to buy as prices have softened considerably during this economic situation.

Note, I purchased my BlueBird because I wanted a solid-riding, highway coach. I also appreciated the safety of the all-steel construction. The "narrow body" coaches (built before 1989) are built on a school bus chassis and have been "roll certified" under DOT standards. After 1989, the "wide body" models were built on a highway bus chassis made by Blue Bird, and while they were not roll certified (as it wasn't required for intercity busses, only school busses) they were built to the same engineering standards as the school busses.

One final point, the Wanderlodge was a high-end RV. It has many features that less well appointed RVs do not have. As a result, they are complex vehicles with many systems to learn. This list (and other Wanderlodge online groups) provide excellent support especially for the newcomer. Stick around for awhile and you'll learn a lot about these coaches.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Apr 22, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Cheryl wrote:

We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today. It is my first experience in looking at this brand. In doing a google search, it appears that Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.

How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price for an '85 with 81K miles? The NADA is between $22K to $26K.

Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.

We have a daughter in Tucson and plan to use the motorhome for travel as we are not campers - yet! We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.

Feel free to email me directly.

Thanks!
Cheryl
Massachusetts



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[Ernie Ekberg]

Shane, do you have pictures of your coach after I installed your carpet? I'd like to upload them to the link below. Thanks- see you next month Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair --- On Wed, 4/22/09, sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> wrote: From: sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Looking at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40 ft. To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 7:48 PM Cheryl, I'd venture to say that the coach was not used enough. The market is soft right now, so you may be able to get the seller down in the 30's if they are motivated. Parts are easy to come by, but skilled labor is not. Unless you are comfortable with a digital multimeter, moonlighting as a diesel mechanic and enjoy a bloody knuckle now and then (LOL), the coach will eat you alive with labor costs. Does the seller have a list of upgrades and repairs? Shane Fedeli 85PT40 Hershey, PA --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Cheryl" wrote: > > We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today. It is my first experience in looking at this brand. In doing a google search, it appears that Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company. > > How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price for an '85 with 81K miles? The NADA is between $22K to $26K. > > Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model. > > We have a daughter in Tucson and plan to use the motorhome for travel as we are not campers - yet! We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car. > > Feel free to email me directly. > > Thanks! > Cheryl > Massachusetts >

[sfedeli3]

Sure- Sorry to have never emailed them to you. The new stair treads look awesome
too! I'll send photos of the carpet via email ASAP.

-Shane

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
>
> Shane, do you have pictures of your coach after I installed your carpet? I'd
like to upload them to the link below. Thanks- see you next month
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Wanderlodge
> Weatherford, Tx
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
>
> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> wrote:
>
> From: sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...>
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Looking at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40 ft.
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 7:48 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl,
>
> I'd venture to say that the coach was not used enough. The market is soft
right now, so you may be able to get the seller down in the 30's if they are
motivated. Parts are easy to come by, but skilled labor is not. Unless you are
comfortable with a digital multimeter, moonlighting as a diesel mechanic and
enjoy a bloody knuckle now and then (LOL), the coach will eat you alive with
labor costs. Does the seller have a list of upgrades and repairs?
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Cheryl" wrote:
> >
> > We looked at a 1985 Wanderlodge Bluebird 40ft RV today. It is my first
experience in looking at this brand. In doing a google search, it appears that
Complete Coach Works bought out the Wanderlodge company.
> >
> > How difficult is it to get replacement parts and what would be a fair price
for an '85 with 81K miles? The NADA is between $22K to $26K.
> >
> > Any advice or information regarding this brand, make and model.
> >
> > We have a daughter in Tucson and plan to use the motorhome for travel as we
are not campers - yet! We'd like to tow our motorcycle and car.
> >
> > Feel free to email me directly.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Cheryl
> > Massachusetts
> >
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