Does Changing from Carpet to Wooden Floor affect the noise level?

[Jack and Liz Pearce]

Howdy.
Have you taken out the carpet from your Bird's living room and replaced it with a wooden floor? If so, what effect did this have on the noise level when traveling in your coach? Please write and let us know.


TIA,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX in the winter
Buena Vista, CO in the summer

[Curt Sprenger]

The carpet was removed in our coach. Bamboo flooring installed from the front of the bus through the salon and the kitchen area. No difference in noise that I can tell.

Curt Sprenger

1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Jack and Liz Pearce <"jacklizpearce@gmail.com"> wrote:

Howdy.
Have you taken out the carpet from your Bird's living room and replaced it with a wooden floor? If so, what effect did this have on the noise level when traveling in your coach? Please write and let us know.



TIA,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX in the winter
Buena Vista, CO in the summer

[Bill Garamella]

Hello Jack and Liz,

I took the carpet out of of our 83 FC 35 and installed a 2# ft sq. .5" thick
rubber and foam (rubber side up) sub floor from SounDown <
http://www.soundown.com/AI.htm >.
On top of this, We installed Dupont Engineered floating floor which also has a
built in pad < http://www2.dupont.com/Laminate_Flooring...index.html>.

This product comes in many different styles and is rugged. You can whack it with
a hammer no problem. It also carries a 30 year warranty. We chose the "Henna
Hickory". Proper installation is the key. Anyway, we also installed 2"2# ft.
sq. fiberglass/lead sandwich insulation in the doghouse at the same time and it
all works well together resulting in a pretty quiet FC. I traveled about 7,000
miles in two different PTs this year and I dare say our FC is not noticeably
much louder. We can cary on a normal conversation at cruising speed (about 60
mph). It is however noticeably slower!

NH Bill
1983 FC "Casa Billisa"

[Rick Davis]

I predict you won't notice a bit of difference Liz.
Rick Davis
'93 WBSA
East TN

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------Original Message------
From: Jack and Liz Pearce
To:
Date: Wed, Jun 10, 2009 03:15 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Does Changing from Carpet to Wooden Floor affect the
noise level?

Howdy.
Have you taken out the carpet from your Bird's living room and replaced
it with a wooden floor? If so, what effect did this have on the noise
level when traveling in your coach? Please write and let us know.


TIA,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX in the winter
Buena Vista, CO in the summer

[Dorn Hetzel]

Bill,

Can you provide more details about the fiberglass/lead sandwich
doghouse insulation?

I'm getting ready to pull my radiator to replace all the belts and
hoses behind it, and it seems like it
might be a good time to insulate the doghouse since all the old
insulation is rotted out.

Regards,

Dorn Hetzel
77FC35
Hogansville, GA

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Bill Garamella wrote:
>
>
> Hello Jack and Liz,
>
> I took the carpet out of of our 83 FC 35 and installed a 2# ft sq. .5" thick
> rubber and foam (rubber side up) sub floor from SounDown <
> http://www.soundown.com/AI.htm >.
> On top of this, We installed Dupont Engineered floating floor which also has
> a built in pad < http://www2.dupont.com/Laminate_Flooring...index.html>.
>
> This product comes in many different styles and is rugged. You can whack it
> with a hammer no problem. It also carries a 30 year warranty. We chose the
> "Henna Hickory". Proper installation is the key. Anyway, we also installed
> 2"2# ft. sq. fiberglass/lead sandwich insulation in the doghouse at the same
> time and it all works well together resulting in a pretty quiet FC. I
> traveled about 7,000 miles in two different PTs this year and I dare say our
> FC is not noticeably much louder. We can cary on a normal conversation at
> cruising speed (about 60 mph). It is however noticeably slower!
>
> NH Bill
> 1983 FC "Casa Billisa"
>
>

[Ernie Ekberg]

WE just did an insulation job for Eric' 84 FC in his doghouse. Received that material from Stephen Birtles. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Dorn Hetzel wrote: From: Dorn Hetzel Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Does Changing from Carpet to Wooden Floor affect the noise level? To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:56 AM Bill, Can you provide more details about the fiberglass/lead sandwich doghouse insulation? I'm getting ready to pull my radiator to replace all the belts and hoses behind it, and it seems like it might be a good time to insulate the doghouse since all the old insulation is rotted out. Regards, Dorn Hetzel 77FC35 Hogansville, GA On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Bill Garamella<billgaramella@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hello Jack and Liz, > > I took the carpet out of of our 83 FC 35 and installed a 2# ft sq. .5" thick > rubber and foam (rubber side up) sub floor from SounDown < > http://www.soundown .com/AI.htm >. > On top of this, We installed Dupont Engineered floating floor which also has > a built in pad < http://www2. dupont.com/ Laminate_ Flooring/ en_US/index. html>. > > This product comes in many different styles and is rugged. You can whack it > with a hammer no problem. It also carries a 30 year warranty. We chose the > "Henna Hickory". Proper installation is the key. Anyway, we also installed > 2"2# ft. sq. fiberglass/lead sandwich insulation in the doghouse at the same > time and it all works well together resulting in a pretty quiet FC. I > traveled about 7,000 miles in two different PTs this year and I dare say our > FC is not noticeably much louder. We can cary on a normal conversation at > cruising speed (about 60 mph). It is however noticeably slower! > > NH Bill > 1983 FC "Casa Billisa" > >

[Bill Garamella]

Don,

A while back I put up a sub folder at the Photos link to the left of this
window. The sub folder is titled "1983 Valve Lashing /Doghouse Insulation".
These should help. Also, below are some posts with new edits I made about this
project at another forum. Some of it is redundant to what I already said.

"I recently went through the process of removing the doghouse, valve lashing,and
re installing the dog house.I resealed the doghouse with high-temp gasket
material applied with a standard caulking gun. It worked well and can be removed
if I need to take it up again.

I used 2" 2#/sf quilted fiberglass with lead decoupler in the middle. The lead
is nice because it formed well to the contours. Because of it's weight, it
requires mechanical fasteners in addition to heavy 3M adhesive. If I were to do
it again I think I would use heavy duty paint on contact cement. The 3M aerosol
is expensive and I'm not sure
there is any advantage to it.

I am put in a new floor using a very dense rubber/foam 1/2" 2# sq. ft sub floor
(foam side down). I got the quilted lead and sub floor from SounDown.
Fortunately, they are nearby and I did not have to pay shipping. This stuff is
heavy!

The finish floor is Dupont Laminate snap together flooring (Henna Hickory). 30
year warranty...I have installed this stuff before and I like it. )zero
maintenance. You can whack it with a hammer and no damage. The sub and finish
floors will simply rest in place with no glue or fasteners. If I need to take it
up, its easy. I have attached a couple photos of the dog house in process. I
have lots of other photos if anybody is interested."

What did you use for a sealant between the bottom of the doghouse where it meets
the floor and the front sides of the doghouse where it meets the firewall?

I used Permatex High Temp RTV Silicone Gasket Maker. I purchased it at a heavy
truck shop parts dept. About $15 a tube. I used about 1/2 tube. See photo below.

What am I using for a sub floor in the driver's area?

I am using the same sub floor throughout the front of the coach. From the the
drivers side of the accelerator and brake pedals back to the salon side of the
mid-door entry way where it meets ceramic floor (its all level). All the
furniture and seat mounts and seat belts have been removed. I did not remove the
built in couch. The vertical carpeting is in good shape so that is not being
touched. This will save a lot of work and money. This floating floor will butt
nicely into the carpet. It needs 1/4" clearance around the perimeter and seat
belt mounts too. Here I cut holes through to the plywood floor below the sub
floor and used a stack of heavy washers to elevete the mounts just slightly
above floor level when tightened down with new longer bolts.

"The sub floor material is from Soundown it is 1/2" thick 2#/sq. ft. It One side
is dense foam and the other is dense mass loaded vinyl. This should be installed
vinyl side up. The Soundown rep stated some people make the mistake of putting
vinyl side down and this defeats the sound deadening properties. The link below
will take you to that particular product line. <
http://www.soundown.com/carpet%20under.htm >.
I have ohotows of the finished floor I will put up when I get a chance.

Call me if you want more details. 603668-2888

NH Bill 1983 FC "Casa Billisa"

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Can you provide more details about the fiberglass/lead sandwich
> doghouse insulation?
>
> I'm getting ready to pull my radiator to replace all the belts and
> hoses behind it, and it seems like it
> might be a good time to insulate the doghouse since all the old
> insulation is rotted out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dorn Hetzel
> 77FC35
> Hogansville, GA

[Bill Garamella]

Don

I just put up a new photo called " 1983 FC "Casa Billisa" Salon Flooring"

Hope this helps.

Bill 1983 FC "Casa Billisa"

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Can you provide more details about the fiberglass/lead sandwich
> doghouse insulation?
>
> I'm getting ready to pull my radiator to replace all the belts and
> hoses behind it, and it seems like it
> might be a good time to insulate the doghouse since all the old
> insulation is rotted out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dorn Hetzel
> 77FC35
> Hogansville, GA
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Bill Garamella wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello Jack and Liz,
> >
> > I took the carpet out of of our 83 FC 35 and installed a 2# ft sq. .5" thick
> > rubber and foam (rubber side up) sub floor from SounDown <
> > http://www.soundown.com/AI.htm >.
> > On top of this, We installed Dupont Engineered floating floor which also has
> > a built in pad < http://www2.dupont.com/Laminate_Flooring...index.html>.
> >
> > This product comes in many different styles and is rugged. You can whack it
> > with a hammer no problem. It also carries a 30 year warranty. We chose the
> > "Henna Hickory". Proper installation is the key. Anyway, we also installed
> > 2"2# ft. sq. fiberglass/lead sandwich insulation in the doghouse at the same
> > time and it all works well together resulting in a pretty quiet FC. I
> > traveled about 7,000 miles in two different PTs this year and I dare say our
> > FC is not noticeably much louder. We can cary on a normal conversation at
> > cruising speed (about 60 mph). It is however noticeably slower!
> >
> > NH Bill
> > 1983 FC "Casa Billisa"
> >
> >
>

[Pete Masterson]

I installed bamboo flooring from the front of my coach to the bedroom door (I
have a side-aisle around the bath). I installed it over a cork sub-floor. Noise
levels are about the same as when I had the carpet. Smells a lot better, though!

Pete Masterson
95 WL wbda 42
On the road at West Yellowstone, MT.

On Tuesday, June 09, 2009, at 08:30PM, "Curt Sprenger"
wrote:
>The carpet was removed in our coach. Bamboo flooring installed from the
>front of the bus through the salon and the kitchen area. No difference in
>noise that I can tell.
>
>Curt Sprenger
>1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
>Anaheim Hills, CA
>*Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
>http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
>"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Jack and Liz Pearce >> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Howdy.
>> Have you taken out the carpet from your Bird's living room and replaced it
>> with a wooden floor? If so, what effect did this have on the noise level
>> when traveling in your coach? Please write and let us know.
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>> Jack and Liz Pearce
>> Regards,
>> Jack and Liz Pearce
>> Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
>> D'Hanis, TX in the winter
>> Buena Vista, CO in the summer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[david brady]

Pete,



Was the cork subfloor something you added or was it part of the

original BlueBird subfloor? I ask cause Ernie's installing a hardwood

floor in my coach and BB sandwiched cork between 3/4" marine

plywood and 1/2" birch subflooring on my LXi.



Thanks,

David Brady

'02 LXi, NC



Pete Masterson wrote:

I installed bamboo flooring from the front of my coach to the
bedroom door (I have a side-aisle around the bath). I installed it over
a cork sub-floor. Noise levels are about the same as when I had the
carpet. Smells a lot better, though!



Pete Masterson

95 WL wbda 42

On the road at West Yellowstone, MT.



On Tuesday, June 09, 2009, at 08:30PM, "Curt Sprenger" <"curtsprenger%40gmail.com">
wrote:

>The carpet was removed in our coach. Bamboo flooring installed from
the

>front of the bus through the salon and the kitchen area. No
difference in

>noise that I can tell.

>

>Curt Sprenger

>1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

>Anaheim Hills, CA

>*Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

>http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG
...Then Join us.

>"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *

>

>

>

>

>On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Jack and Liz Pearce <"jacklizpearce%40gmail.com"

>> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Howdy.

>> Have you taken out the carpet from your Bird's living room and
replaced it

>> with a wooden floor? If so, what effect did this have on the
noise level

>> when traveling in your coach? Please write and let us know.

>>

>>

>> TIA,

>> Jack and Liz Pearce

>> Regards,

>> Jack and Liz Pearce

>> Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40

>> D'Hanis, TX in the winter

>> Buena Vista, CO in the summer

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

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