original halogen ceiling spotters in 2000 lxi--recessed

[luckyron1]

The (poorly designed) original, disc shaped, recessed lites have so-
called 'friction secured' lens enclosures which are overly sensitive
to the high temperatures of the 10 watt halogen bulb. BB admits that
when the lights have been on for awhile, the heat build-up causes
the lens enclosures to expand and then separate from the light
housing and fall to the floor. Eventually some of the lens
enclosures will no longer secure, having lost their 'friction.'
Apparently, BB didn't pressure the vendor to correct the problem and
in fact the vendor no longer makes this particular unit. So,
certainly not in the best interest of it's customers, BB went around
the problem by using one about 3 mm larger in diameter with a
locking twist on lens enclosure, which I'm told, did solve the above
problem. Of course, that doesn't help it's customers stuck with the
faulty originals. I could now replace all 32 of my originals (in
order to match) with the new ones and drill the holes a little
larger but I'm not about to risk ruining the vinyl type ceiling.
So, I'm back to solving the problem with the original lites. I'm
thinking along the lines of some kind of a soft and tacky, NON-
FLAMMABLE, glue/putty type substance, that would secure the lens
enclosure to the light housing, but also allow us to remove it
if/when we needed to replace a bulb. Any suggestions appreciated
and thanks in advance for your help.

[John Suter]

Hi Ron,

You hit the nail on the head!

> The (poorly designed) original, disc shaped,
> recessed lites have so-
> called 'friction secured' lens enclosures which are
> overly sensitive
> to the high temperatures of the 10 watt halogen
> bulb. BB admits that
> when the lights have been on for awhile, the heat
> build-up causes
> the lens enclosures to expand and then separate from
> the light
> housing and fall to the floor. Eventually some of
> the lens
> enclosures will no longer secure, having lost their
> 'friction.'
> the vendor no longer makes this particular
> unit.
> BB went around
> the problem by using one about 3 mm larger in
> diameter with a
> locking twist on lens enclosure, which I'm told, did
> solve the above
> problem.

Don't you believe that story for one minute as the
new twist lock ones also drop to the floor like flies.
The "new" mechanism includes a small plastic
ribbon-like locking piece that distorts/softens as it
heats/melts. I ended up buying a box of the covers
and replace as required, while trying not to burn the
bulbs longer than necessary.

> I could now replace all 32 of my
> originals (in
> order to match) with the new ones and drill the
> holes a little
> larger but I'm not about to risk ruining the vinyl
> type ceiling.

Smart man! Saw one where it had been
tried-terrible.

> So, I'm back to solving the problem with the
> original lites. I'm
> thinking along the lines of some kind of a soft and
> tacky, NON-
> FLAMMABLE, glue/putty type substance, that would
> secure the lens
> enclosure to the light housing, but also allow us to
> remove it
> if/when we needed to replace a bulb. Any
> suggestions appreciated
> and thanks in advance for your help.

The gunk they use for holding the vases etc. doesn't
work well and makes a total mess; over time stains the
vinyl.

Let me know if you find a solution.

John Suter



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[Jeff Miller]

For a "band-aid" fix, how about using silicone sealer / RTV. A couple
of small dots should hold the lense, high-temp is okay, and peel it
loose to change bulbs (shouldn't stick to the acetel fixture too
well). Try it on a spare lense bezel and see if it can be removed.

- Jeff Miller


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John Suter
wrote:
<<snip>>
> > So, I'm back to solving the problem with the
> > original lites. I'm
> > thinking along the lines of some kind of a soft and
> > tacky, NON-
> > FLAMMABLE, glue/putty type substance, that would
> > secure the lens
> > enclosure to the light housing, but also allow us to
> > remove it
> > if/when we needed to replace a bulb. Any
> > suggestions appreciated
> > and thanks in advance for your help.
>
> The gunk they use for holding the vases etc. doesn't
> work well and makes a total mess; over time stains the
> vinyl.
>
> Let me know if you find a solution.
>
> John Suter
>
>
>
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[luckyron1]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
wrote:
> For a "band-aid" fix, how about using silicone sealer / RTV. A
couple
> of small dots should hold the lense, high-temp is okay, and peel
it
> loose to change bulbs (shouldn't stick to the acetel fixture too
> well). Try it on a spare lense bezel and see if it can be removed.
>
> - Jeff Miller

Thanks John & Jeff,

What we're doing now is shimming the tiny gap with aluminum foil.
So far so good. Should it fall apart, we're going to try the
glue/caulk option idea. Meanwhile, we're open to any suggestion.
Thanks.
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John Suter

> wrote:
> <<snip>>
> > > So, I'm back to solving the problem with the
> > > original lites. I'm
> > > thinking along the lines of some kind of a soft and
> > > tacky, NON-
> > > FLAMMABLE, glue/putty type substance, that would
> > > secure the lens
> > > enclosure to the light housing, but also allow us to
> > > remove it
> > > if/when we needed to replace a bulb. Any
> > > suggestions appreciated
> > > and thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > The gunk they use for holding the vases etc. doesn't
> > work well and makes a total mess; over time stains the
> > vinyl.
> >
> > Let me know if you find a solution.
> >
> > John Suter
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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[Mark Garber]

Maybe try that putty stuff they use on walls instead of tape to hold
paper/posters up. I have no idea how the heat would effect it.

Mark


luckyron1 wrote:
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
wrote:
> For a "band-aid" fix, how about using silicone sealer / RTV. A
couple
> of small dots should hold the lense, high-temp is okay, and peel
it
> loose to change bulbs (shouldn't stick to the acetel fixture too
> well). Try it on a spare lense bezel and see if it can be removed.
>
> - Jeff Miller

Thanks John & Jeff,

What we're doing now is shimming the tiny gap with aluminum foil.
So far so good. Should it fall apart, we're going to try the
glue/caulk option idea. Meanwhile, we're open to any suggestion.
Thanks.
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John Suter

> wrote:
> <<snip>>
> > > So, I'm back to solving the problem with the
> > > original lites. I'm
> > > thinking along the lines of some kind of a soft and
> > > tacky, NON-
> > > FLAMMABLE, glue/putty type substance, that would
> > > secure the lens
> > > enclosure to the light housing, but also allow us to
> > > remove it
> > > if/when we needed to replace a bulb. Any
> > > suggestions appreciated
> > > and thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > The gunk they use for holding the vases etc. doesn't
> > work well and makes a total mess; over time stains the
> > vinyl.
> >
> > Let me know if you find a solution.
> >
> > John Suter
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com





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[R J]

Hi Jon,

I think that I may have the remedy IF the original
holes in your birds ceiling are the same size as mine
and you haven't already tried and found fault with the
fixture that I'm currently fooling with.

Have you tried the press fixed Hafele part no. 823.94?
It has no mounting screws and is designed for a 55 mm
diam. mounting hole, the same size as in our 2000
bird. Or, are you still using one of the larger diam.
screw secured ones?

Ron



--- John Suter wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> You hit the nail on the head!
>
> > The (poorly designed) original, disc shaped,
> > recessed lites have so-
> > called 'friction secured' lens enclosures which
> are
> > overly sensitive
> > to the high temperatures of the 10 watt halogen
> > bulb. BB admits that
> > when the lights have been on for awhile, the heat
> > build-up causes
> > the lens enclosures to expand and then separate
> from
> > the light
> > housing and fall to the floor. Eventually some of
> > the lens
> > enclosures will no longer secure, having lost
> their
> > 'friction.'
> > the vendor no longer makes this particular
> > unit.
> > BB went around
> > the problem by using one about 3 mm larger in
> > diameter with a
> > locking twist on lens enclosure, which I'm told,
> did
> > solve the above
> > problem.
>
> Don't you believe that story for one minute as the
> new twist lock ones also drop to the floor like
> flies.
> The "new" mechanism includes a small plastic
> ribbon-like locking piece that distorts/softens as
> it
> heats/melts. I ended up buying a box of the covers
> and replace as required, while trying not to burn
> the
> bulbs longer than necessary.


Ron