tires

[jim riordan]

Well, I would not do it. I know I want the best product at such a critical juncture my vehicle and the pavement. jim Riordan --- On Tue, 7/7/09, patticake592000 <sgureasko@...> wrote: From: patticake592000 <sgureasko@...> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Tires To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 3:45 PM Since we are talking about a very controversial subject, I would like to get thoughts about mounting trailer tires on the tags. On a conversation with my tire guy, he mentioned that since we literally drag the tag on a turn, why not mount trailer tires in that position. Now, they don't make 12R,(in a trailer tire) so maybe mount an 11R there. The drives are supporting the majority of the weight anyway. Thoughts and opinions!!!! Steve Gureasko 90WBWL401/2 Jus Chillin Ponchatoula, La.

[Jim Riordan]

Michelin! Buy the best pay more last longer. 6-7 years tops.

Jim Riordan

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler" wrote:
>
> John,
>
> When I purchased our coach it had 159s on it. I never had a tire failure.
> I replace them after about two years due to the age of the tires. In those
> two years they were in 114 degree desert heat and sub zero winter weather.
>
> - Chuck Wheeler-
> 1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX
>
>
> _____
>
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bubblerboy64
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:33 AM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys, Ya have me concerned. I have the GY 159 12R22.5 on my coach. About
> three years old, maybe less then 10k miles. I want to replace them for peace
> of mind if for no other reason. My plan is to do the steer tires now and
> then next year the drives and the following the tag. I just can't swing the
> entire set of 8 at one shot. My question is one of the fellow replaced his
> 12R with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit.
> Sounds reasonable. Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a
> problem mixing the different size tires as I proceed with my plan? Obviously
> when I do the drive axle I would not mix sizes there. Anyone see a problem
> with either the larger size or the mixing as I go. Thanks I intend to buy
> Michelin ZXA2 tires.
>
> John Heckman
> Shippensburg Pa
> 1987 PT 36
>
> >
> >
> >
> > It just you Ernie. LOL
> >
> > Your right MICHELIN is better.
> >
> > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got
> personal.
> >
> > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks
> have problems with Mexican painters. Etc.
> >
> > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.
> >
> > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the best
> I can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS
> >
> > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go Michelin.
> >
> > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.
> >
> > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost
> >
> > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall,
> due to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and
> scuffing is a problem.
> >
> > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year since
> I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have
> nothing older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot.
> >
> > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll
> see lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that
> have good tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they
> are worth something,
> >
> > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a
> tire with good tread that are only three or four years old.
> >
> > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other
> brands.
> >
> > Kurt Horvath
> > 95 PT 42
> > 10AC
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?
> > > I had B's on my van and they were stiif. Put M's on and ride is better.
> Or is is me?
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Wanderlodge
> > > Weatherford, Tx
> > > http://autos.
> <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: tommy.rountree
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@
> yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > O.K, everyone.... .
> > >
> > > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my 94
> WB. Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years old.
> No cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured on
> two Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and the
> best of the drives to the Tag.
> > >
> > > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has a
> Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones
> and Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:
> > >
> > > Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > >
> > > The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire for
> the money.
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > > Tommy Rountree
> > >
> >
>

[bubblerboy64]

Jim, I agree. It's challenging to know exactly what is the best however. If I
didn't have to write the check, I'd go buy 8 new 9 inch alcoa wheels and 8 new
tires. Seems like that would be the absolute best answer to all of it.
(Assuming the 9 inch wheels would work on by PT) It would solve all concerns
that's for certain. As to the Goodyears, lets face it they don't all fail. I
did some calculations and on my drive wheels 4600 lbs each on the drive tires
and 3320 lbs each on the tags. This makes me feel comfortable since it is
considerably less then the 6200 lbs which is on the steer axle. Plus a failure
on a drive or tag axle hopefully would be potentially less dramatic then a
failure on a steer tire. A fellow has to pay his money and take his chances I
guess. This is all in flex. Hopefully I am good for a while.

John Heckman
1987 PT 36
Shbg Pa






>
> Michelin! Buy the best pay more last longer. 6-7 years tops.
>
> Jim Riordan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler" wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > When I purchased our coach it had 159s on it. I never had a tire failure.
> > I replace them after about two years due to the age of the tires. In those
> > two years they were in 114 degree desert heat and sub zero winter weather.
> >
> > - Chuck Wheeler-
> > 1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bubblerboy64
> > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:33 AM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys, Ya have me concerned. I have the GY 159 12R22.5 on my coach. About
> > three years old, maybe less then 10k miles. I want to replace them for peace
> > of mind if for no other reason. My plan is to do the steer tires now and
> > then next year the drives and the following the tag. I just can't swing the
> > entire set of 8 at one shot. My question is one of the fellow replaced his
> > 12R with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit.
> > Sounds reasonable. Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a
> > problem mixing the different size tires as I proceed with my plan? Obviously
> > when I do the drive axle I would not mix sizes there. Anyone see a problem
> > with either the larger size or the mixing as I go. Thanks I intend to buy
> > Michelin ZXA2 tires.
> >
> > John Heckman
> > Shippensburg Pa
> > 1987 PT 36
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It just you Ernie. LOL
> > >
> > > Your right MICHELIN is better.
> > >
> > > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got
> > personal.
> > >
> > > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks
> > have problems with Mexican painters. Etc.
> > >
> > > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.
> > >
> > > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the best
> > I can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS
> > >
> > > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go Michelin.
> > >
> > > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.
> > >
> > > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost
> > >
> > > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall,
> > due to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and
> > scuffing is a problem.
> > >
> > > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year since
> > I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have
> > nothing older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot.
> > >
> > > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll
> > see lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that
> > have good tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they
> > are worth something,
> > >
> > > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a
> > tire with good tread that are only three or four years old.
> > >
> > > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other
> > brands.
> > >
> > > Kurt Horvath
> > > 95 PT 42
> > > 10AC
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?
> > > > I had B's on my van and they were stiif. Put M's on and ride is better.
> > Or is is me?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > 83PT40
> > > > Wanderlodge
> > > > Weatherford, Tx
> > > > http://autos.
> > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: tommy.rountree
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@
> > yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > O.K, everyone.... .
> > > >
> > > > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my 94
> > WB. Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years old.
> > No cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured on
> > two Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and the
> > best of the drives to the Tag.
> > > >
> > > > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has a
> > Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones
> > and Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:
> > > >
> > > > Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > >
> > > > The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire for
> > the money.
> > > >
> > > > Help!
> > > >
> > > > Tommy Rountree
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[jqrjr@...]

With a 25 year old coach one torn up tire could easily cost me 5k to repair broken or damaged parts. Much less the possible damage to occupants. Quality safe tires are just smart the best that I can afford is a cheap price for the safety and health of my family

Thanks

Jim Riordan

On Jul 7, 2009, at 16:44, "bubblerboy64" <"jehdds@hotmail.com"> wrote:

Jim, I agree. It's challenging to know exactly what is the best however. If I didn't have to write the check, I'd go buy 8 new 9 inch alcoa wheels and 8 new tires. Seems like that would be the absolute best answer to all of it. (Assuming the 9 inch wheels would work on by PT) It would solve all concerns that's for certain. As to the Goodyears, lets face it they don't all fail. I did some calculations and on my drive wheels 4600 lbs each on the drive tires and 3320 lbs each on the tags. This makes me feel comfortable since it is considerably less then the 6200 lbs which is on the steer axle. Plus a failure on a drive or tag axle hopefully would be potentially less dramatic then a failure on a steer tire. A fellow has to pay his money and take his chances I guess. This is all in flex. Hopefully I am good for a while.



John Heckman

1987 PT 36

Shbg Pa



>

> Michelin! Buy the best pay more last longer. 6-7 years tops.

>

> Jim Riordan

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Chuck Wheeler" wrote:

> >

> > John,

> >

> > When I purchased our coach it had 159s on it. I never had a tire failure.

> > I replace them after about two years due to the age of the tires. In those

> > two years they were in 114 degree desert heat and sub zero winter weather.

> >

> > - Chuck Wheeler-

> > 1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> > [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of bubblerboy64

> > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:33 AM

> > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Guys, Ya have me concerned. I have the GY 159 12R22.5 on my coach. About

> > three years old, maybe less then 10k miles. I want to replace them for peace

> > of mind if for no other reason. My plan is to do the steer tires now and

> > then next year the drives and the following the tag. I just can't swing the

> > entire set of 8 at one shot. My question is one of the fellow replaced his

> > 12R with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit.

> > Sounds reasonable. Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a

> > problem mixing the different size tires as I proceed with my plan? Obviously

> > when I do the drive axle I would not mix sizes there. Anyone see a problem

> > with either the larger size or the mixing as I go. Thanks I intend to buy

> > Michelin ZXA2 tires.

> >

> > John Heckman

> > Shippensburg Pa

> > 1987 PT 36

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It just you Ernie. LOL

> > >

> > > Your right MICHELIN is better.

> > >

> > > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got

> > personal.

> > >

> > > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks

> > have problems with Mexican painters. Etc.

> > >

> > > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.

> > >

> > > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the best

> > I can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS

> > >

> > > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go Michelin.

> > >

> > > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.

> > >

> > > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost

> > >

> > > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall,

> > due to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and

> > scuffing is a problem.

> > >

> > > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year since

> > I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have

> > nothing older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot.

> > >

> > > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll

> > see lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that

> > have good tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they

> > are worth something,

> > >

> > > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a

> > tire with good tread that are only three or four years old.

> > >

> > > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other

> > brands.

> > >

> > > Kurt Horvath

> > > 95 PT 42

> > > 10AC

> > >

> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ Forum%40yahoogroups.com>

> > yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?

> > > > I had B's on my van and they were stiif. Put M's on and ride is better.

> > Or is is me?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ernie Ekberg

> > > > 83PT40

> > > > Wanderlodge

> > > > Weatherford, Tx

> > > > http://autos.

> > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair>

> > groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: tommy.rountree >

> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires

> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ Forum%40yahoogroups.com>

> > yahoogroups.com

> > > > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > O.K, everyone.... .

> > > >

> > > > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my 94

> > WB. Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years old.

> > No cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured on

> > two Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and the

> > best of the drives to the Tag.

> > > >

> > > > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has a

> > Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones

> > and Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:

> > > >

> > > > Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting.

> > > > Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting.

> > > > Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting.

> > > >

> > > > The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire for

> > the money.

> > > >

> > > > Help!

> > > >

> > > > Tommy Rountree

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[sfedeli3]

To answer your question Ernie- NO!

The entire drive axle should be replaced as a set of 4. At a minimum each side
of the drive axle should be a matched pair, but if the two pairs differ in age
and size, you risk heating up the differential on a long trip.

If you're on a limited budget, skimp on the tags. Go to a tour bus operator and
see if they will sell you a set of used steer axle Michelin's with 15-20K miles
on them. As long as the date code is within the past 2 years, it's a pretty safe
bet that they will work just fine.

If Heckman doesn't have a use for his used G-159's, I'll gladly bring them out
in October when we go to Balloon Fest. We can toss them up on Archie's roof and
he'll get them to you.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

. --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
>
> So if you are on a fixed- like not much income, can you replace the inner
drive with the same kind and brand of tire?
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Wanderlodge
> Weatherford, Tx
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
>
> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
>
> From: Pete Masterson
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 11:28 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There should be no problem mixing metric (315/80) with 12R tires, if each axle
carries the same size/type tire. i.e. replacing tires as you suggest should be
no problem.
>
>
> The only concern is that the 315s, which are about .4 inches wider than the
12R may not have sufficient clearance on the duals ... but that's something to
discuss with the tire installer -- I note that several 'bird owners have moved
to the metric size tires without problems.
>
>
> Note that we're referring to all tires as having the radial design. Mixing
bias ply tires and radials on the same vehicle can result in some poor handling
characteristics.
>
>
>
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@mac. com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:32 AM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Guys, Ya have me concerned. I have the GY 159 12R22.5 on my coach.
About three years old, maybe less then 10k miles. I want to replace them for
peace of mind if for no other reason. My plan is to do the steer tires now and
then next year the drives and the following the tag. I just can't swing the
entire set of 8 at one shot.   My question is one of the fellow replaced his 12R
with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit. Sounds
reasonable.   Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a problem mixing
the different size tires as I proceed with my plan? Obviously when I do the
drive axle I would not mix sizes there. Anyone see a problem with either the
larger size or the mixing as I go. Thanks   I intend to buy Michelin ZXA2
tires.
>
> John Heckman
> Shippensburg Pa
> 1987 PT 36
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It just you Ernie. LOL
>
>
>
> Your right MICHELIN is better.
>
>
>
> The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got
personal.
>
>
>
> Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks have
problems with Mexican painters. Etc.
>
>
>
> I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.
>
>
>
> I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the best I
can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS
>
>
>
> Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go Michelin.
>
>
>
> Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.
>
>
>
> Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost
>
>
>
> Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall, due to
the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and scuffing is a
problem.
>
>
>
> Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year since I've
owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have nothing older
that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot.
>
>
>
> If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll see
lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that have good
tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they are worth
something,
>
>
>
> Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a tire
with good tread that are only three or four years old.
>
>
>
> There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other brands.
>
>
>
> Kurt Horvath
>
> 95 PT 42
>
> 10AC
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?
>
>
> I had B's on my van and they were stiif. Put M's on and ride is better. Or is
is me?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
>
>
> 83PT40
>
>
> Wanderlodge
>
>
> Weatherford, Tx
>
>
> http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: tommy.rountree
>
>
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
>
>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
>
> Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> O.K, everyone.... .
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my 94 WB.
Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years old. No
cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured on two
Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and the best of
the drives to the Tag.
>
>
>
>
>
> My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has a
Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones and
Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:
>
>
>
>
>
> Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting.
>
>
> Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting.
>
>
> Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting.
>
>
>
>
>
> The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire for the
money.
>
>
>
>
>
> Help!
>
>
>
>
>
> Tommy Rountree
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------ --------- --------- ------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

Don't mess with TEXAS or TYRES!

Hank Hannigan
90SP36





--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jqrjr@..." wrote:
>
> With a 25 year old coach one torn up tire could easily cost me 5k to repair
broken or damaged parts. Much less the possible damage to occupants. Quality
safe tires are just smart the best that I can afford is a cheap price for the
safety and health of my family
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Riordan
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 16:44, "bubblerboy64" wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim, I agree. It's challenging to know exactly what is the best however. If I
didn't have to write the check, I'd go buy 8 new 9 inch alcoa wheels and 8 new
tires. Seems like that would be the absolute best answer to all of it. (Assuming
the 9 inch wheels would work on by PT) It would solve all concerns that's for
certain. As to the Goodyears, lets face it they don't all fail. I did some
calculations and on my drive wheels 4600 lbs each on the drive tires and 3320
lbs each on the tags. This makes me feel comfortable since it is considerably
less then the 6200 lbs which is on the steer axle. Plus a failure on a drive or
tag axle hopefully would be potentially less dramatic then a failure on a steer
tire. A fellow has to pay his money and take his chances I guess. This is all in
flex. Hopefully I am good for a while.
>
> John Heckman
> 1987 PT 36
> Shbg Pa
>
> >
> > Michelin! Buy the best pay more last longer. 6-7 years tops.
> >
> > Jim Riordan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler" wrote:
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > When I purchased our coach it had 159s on it. I never had a tire failure.
> > > I replace them after about two years due to the age of the tires. In those
> > > two years they were in 114 degree desert heat and sub zero winter weather.
> > >
> > > - Chuck Wheeler-
> > > 1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bubblerboy64
> > > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:33 AM
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Guys, Ya have me concerned. I have the GY 159 12R22.5 on my coach.
About
> > > three years old, maybe less then 10k miles. I want to replace them for
peace
> > > of mind if for no other reason. My plan is to do the steer tires now and
> > > then next year the drives and the following the tag. I just can't swing
the
> > > entire set of 8 at one shot. My question is one of the fellow replaced his
> > > 12R with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit.
> > > Sounds reasonable. Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a
> > > problem mixing the different size tires as I proceed with my plan?
Obviously
> > > when I do the drive axle I would not mix sizes there. Anyone see a problem
> > > with either the larger size or the mixing as I go. Thanks I intend to buy
> > > Michelin ZXA2 tires.
> > >
> > > John Heckman
> > > Shippensburg Pa
> > > 1987 PT 36
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It just you Ernie. LOL
> > > >
> > > > Your right MICHELIN is better.
> > > >
> > > > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got
> > > personal.
> > > >
> > > > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks
> > > have problems with Mexican painters. Etc.
> > > >
> > > > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.
> > > >
> > > > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the
best
> > > I can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS
> > > >
> > > > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go
Michelin.
> > > >
> > > > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.
> > > >
> > > > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost
> > > >
> > > > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall,
> > > due to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and
> > > scuffing is a problem.
> > > >
> > > > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year
since
> > > I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have
> > > nothing older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot.
> > > >
> > > > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll
> > > see lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that
> > > have good tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they
> > > are worth something,
> > > >
> > > > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a
> > > tire with good tread that are only three or four years old.
> > > >
> > > > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other
> > > brands.
> > > >
> > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > 95 PT 42
> > > > 10AC
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > > yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?
> > > > > I had B's on my van and they were stiif. Put M's on and ride is
better.
> > > Or is is me?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > > 83PT40
> > > > > Wanderlodge
> > > > > Weatherford, Tx
> > > > > http://autos.
> > > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair>
> > > groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: tommy.rountree
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@
> > > yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > O.K, everyone.... .
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my
94
> > > WB. Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years
old.
> > > No cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured
on
> > > two Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and
the
> > > best of the drives to the Tag.
> > > > >
> > > > > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has
a
> > > Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones
> > > and Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:
> > > > >
> > > > > Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > > Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > > Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > >
> > > > > The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire
for
> > > the money.
> > > > >
> > > > > Help!
> > > > >
> > > > > Tommy Rountree
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[raypander]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
>
> Don't mess with TEXAS or TYRES!
>
> Hank Hannigan
> 90SP36
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jqrjr@" wrote:
> >
> > With a 25 year old coach one torn up tire could easily cost me 5k to repair
broken or damaged parts. Much less the possible damage to occupants. Quality
safe tires are just smart the best that I can afford is a cheap price for the
safety and health of my family
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jim Riordan
> >
> > On Jul 7, 2009, at 16:44, "bubblerboy64" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim, I agree. It's challenging to know exactly what is the best however. If
I didn't have to write the check, I'd go buy 8 new 9 inch alcoa wheels and 8 new
tires. Seems like that would be the absolute best answer to all of it. (Assuming
the 9 inch wheels would work on by PT) It would solve all concerns that's for
certain. As to the Goodyears, lets face it they don't all fail. I did some
calculations and on my drive wheels 4600 lbs each on the drive tires and 3320
lbs each on the tags. This makes me feel comfortable since it is considerably
less then the 6200 lbs which is on the steer axle. Plus a failure on a drive or
tag axle hopefully would be potentially less dramatic then a failure on a steer
tire. A fellow has to pay his money and take his chances I guess. This is all in
flex. Hopefully I am good for a while.
> >
> > John Heckman
> > 1987 PT 36
> > Shbg Pa
> >
> > >
> > > Michelin! Buy the best pay more last longer. 6-7 years tops.
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler"
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > When I purchased our coach it had 159s on it. I never had a tire
failure.
> > > > I replace them after about two years due to the age of the tires. In
those
> > > > two years they were in 114 degree desert heat and sub zero winter
weather.
> > > >
> > > > - Chuck Wheeler-
> > > > 1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bubblerboy64
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:33 AM
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys, Ya have me concerned. I have the GY 159 12R22.5 on my coach.
About
> > > > three years old, maybe less then 10k miles. I want to replace them for
peace
> > > > of mind if for no other reason. My plan is to do the steer tires now and
> > > > then next year the drives and the following the tag. I just can't swing
the
> > > > entire set of 8 at one shot. My question is one of the fellow replaced
his
> > > > 12R with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit.
> > > > Sounds reasonable. Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a
> > > > problem mixing the different size tires as I proceed with my plan?
Obviously
> > > > when I do the drive axle I would not mix sizes there. Anyone see a
problem
> > > > with either the larger size or the mixing as I go. Thanks I intend to
buy
> > > > Michelin ZXA2 tires.
> > > >
> > > > John Heckman
> > > > Shippensburg Pa
> > > > 1987 PT 36
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It just you Ernie. LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > Your right MICHELIN is better.
> > > > >
> > > > > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it
got
> > > > personal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some
folks
> > > > have problems with Mexican painters. Etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the
best
> > > > I can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS
> > > > >
> > > > > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go
Michelin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost
> > > > >
> > > > > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong
sidewall,
> > > > due to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day
and
> > > > scuffing is a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year
since
> > > > I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have
> > > > nothing older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to
boot.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum
you'll
> > > > see lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that
> > > > have good tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up
they
> > > > are worth something,
> > > > >
> > > > > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for
a
> > > > tire with good tread that are only three or four years old.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other
> > > > brands.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > 95 PT 42
> > > > > 10AC
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@
> > > > yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?
> > > > > > I had B's on my van and they were stiif. Put M's on and ride is
better.
> > > > Or is is me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > > > 83PT40
> > > > > > Wanderlodge
> > > > > > Weatherford, Tx
> > > > > > http://autos.
> > > > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair>
> > > > groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: tommy.rountree
> > > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@
> > > > yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > O.K, everyone.... .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on
my 94
> > > > WB. Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years
old.
> > > > No cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had
figured on
> > > > two Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and
the
> > > > best of the drives to the Tag.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one
has a
> > > > Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears,
Firestones
> > > > and Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > > > Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > > > Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire
for
> > > > the money.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Help!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tommy Rountree
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
After all of this tire discussion, I might as well through in my two cents
worth. I own a small local trucking company. We operate both on and off road
somewhat like dump trucks so our use is quite different from where I take my
bird.
I've been doing this for almost 32 years and I always try to buy American
first. However, I run Michelins on our steers. They always balance better than
other tires and the casings are great for recaping for the drives. I do buy
Goodyears for the drives (less money)
I bought my first Bird 15 years ago and I always pay a little more and go with
Michelins. I don't want to deal with a problem on the road if I can avoid it.
Ray Pander
1988 35' FC
2003 LXI

[Gregory OConnor]

Shane, I hear that often but wonder if there is any proof or instance. at 60 mph
a one inch diff in height sends the diff around at 7rpm.

c=3.14 X D 48"C=150" 47"C=147.6"
mile= 5,280ft X 12" = 63,168inches
63168/150 = 422.4 R's per mile
63168/147.58 = 429.3 R's
60 mph = 1 mpm = 7 rpm

a 90deg turn at 100 foot is 2 rpm
Greg of Tim&Greg
94ptca



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...> wrote:
>
> To answer your question Ernie- NO!
>
> The entire drive axle should be replaced as a set of 4. At a minimum each side
of the drive axle should be a matched pair, but if the two pairs differ in age
and size, you risk heating up the differential on a long trip.
>
> If you're on a limited budget, skimp on the tags. Go to a tour bus operator
and see if they will sell you a set of used steer axle Michelin's with 15-20K
miles on them. As long as the date code is within the past 2 years, it's a
pretty safe bet that they will work just fine.
>
> If Heckman doesn't have a use for his used G-159's, I'll gladly bring them out
in October when we go to Balloon Fest. We can toss them up on Archie's roof and
he'll get them to you.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> . --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >
> > So if you are on a fixed- like not much income, can you replace the inner
drive with the same kind and brand of tire?
> >
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83PT40
> > Wanderlodge
> > Weatherford, Tx
> > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Pete Masterson wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Pete Masterson
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 11:28 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There should be no problem mixing metric (315/80) with 12R tires, if each
axle carries the same size/type tire. i.e. replacing tires as you suggest should
be no problem.
> >
> >
> > The only concern is that the 315s, which are about .4 inches wider than the
12R may not have sufficient clearance on the duals ... but that's something to
discuss with the tire installer -- I note that several 'bird owners have moved
to the metric size tires without problems.
> >
> >
> > Note that we're referring to all tires as having the radial design. Mixing
bias ply tires and radials on the same vehicle can result in some poor handling
characteristics. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > El Sobrante CA
> > aeonix1@mac. com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:32 AM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys,  Ya have me concerned.  I have the GY 159  12R22.5 on my coach.
 About three years old, maybe less then 10k miles.  I want to replace them for
peace of mind if for no other reason.  My plan is to do the steer tires now and
then next year  the drives and the following the tag.  I just can't swing the
entire set of 8 at one shot.   My question is one of the fellow replaced his 12R
with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit.  Sounds
reasonable.   Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a problem mixing
the different size tires as I proceed with my plan?  Obviously when I do the
drive axle I would not mix sizes there.  Anyone see a problem with either the
larger size or the mixing as I go.  Thanks   I intend to buy Michelin ZXA2
tires.  
> >
> > John Heckman
> > Shippensburg Pa
> > 1987 PT 36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It just you Ernie. LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > Your right MICHELIN is better.
> >
> >
> >
> > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got
personal.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks
have problems with Mexican painters. Etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the best I
can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS
> >
> >
> >
> > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go Michelin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost
> >
> >
> >
> > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall, due
to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and scuffing
is a problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year since
I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have nothing
older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll see
lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that have good
tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they are worth
something,
> >
> >
> >
> > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a tire
with good tread that are only three or four years old.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other
brands.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kurt Horvath
> >
> > 95 PT 42
> >
> > 10AC
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?
> >
> >
> > I had B's on my van and they  were stiif. Put M's on and ride is better. Or
is is me?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> >
> >
> > 83PT40
> >
> >
> > Wanderlodge
> >
> >
> > Weatherford, Tx
> >
> >
> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: tommy.rountree
> >
> >
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> >
> >
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> >
> > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my 94 WB.
Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years old. No
cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured on two
Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and the best of
the drives to the Tag.
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> > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has a
Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones and
Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:
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[Ernie Ekberg]

thanks Shane. I have 24.5 on the drive and tag. and 22.5 on the steer. don't know why, bus came that way. I just got home from NC and will be looking at different price ranges. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair --- On Tue, 7/7/09, sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> wrote: From: sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 6:18 PM To answer your question Ernie- NO! The entire drive axle should be replaced as a set of 4. At a minimum each side of the drive axle should be a matched pair, but if the two pairs differ in age and size, you risk heating up the differential on a long trip. If you're on a limited budget, skimp on the tags. Go to a tour bus operator and see if they will sell you a set of used steer axle Michelin's with 15-20K miles on them. As long as the date code is within the past 2 years, it's a pretty safe bet that they will work just fine. If Heckman doesn't have a use for his used G-159's, I'll gladly bring them out in October when we go to Balloon Fest. We can toss them up on Archie's roof and he'll get them to you. Shane Fedeli 85PT40 Hershey, PA . --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Ernie Ekberg wrote: > > So if you are on a fixed- like not much income, can you replace the inner drive with the same kind and brand of tire? > > > Ernie Ekberg > 83PT40 > Wanderlodge > Weatherford, Tx > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair > > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Pete Masterson wrote: > > > From: Pete Masterson > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > There should be no problem mixing metric (315/80) with 12R tires, if each axle carries the same size/type tire. i.e. replacing tires as you suggest should be no problem. > > > The only concern is that the 315s, which are about .4 inches wider than the 12R may not have sufficient clearance on the duals ... but that's something to discuss with the tire installer -- I note that several 'bird owners have moved to the metric size tires without problems. > > > Note that we're referring to all tires as having the radial design. Mixing bias ply tires and radials on the same vehicle can result in some poor handling characteristics. > > > > > Pete Masterson > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > El Sobrante CA > aeonix1@mac. com > > > > > > On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:32 AM, bubblerboy64 wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, Ya have me concerned. I have the GY 159 12R22.5 on my coach. About three years old, maybe less then 10k miles. I want to replace them for peace of mind if for no other reason. My plan is to do the steer tires now and then next year the drives and the following the tag. I just can't swing the entire set of 8 at one shot. My question is one of the fellow replaced his 12R with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit. Sounds reasonable. Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a problem mixing the different size tires as I proceed with my plan? Obviously when I do the drive axle I would not mix sizes there. Anyone see a problem with either the larger size or the mixing as I go. Thanks I intend to buy Michelin ZXA2 tires. > > John Heckman > Shippensburg Pa > 1987 PT 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It just you Ernie. LOL > > > > Your right MICHELIN is better. > > > > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got personal. > > > > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks have problems with Mexican painters. Etc. > > > > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck. > > > > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the best I can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS > > > > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go Michelin. > > > > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice. > > > > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost > > > > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall, due to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and scuffing is a problem. > > > > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year since I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have nothing older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot. > > > > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll see lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that have good tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they are worth something, > > > > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a tire with good tread that are only three or four years old. > > > > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other brands. > > > > Kurt Horvath > > 95 PT 42 > > 10AC > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Ernie Ekberg wrote: > > > > > > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others? > > > I had B's on my van and they were stiif. Put M's on and ride is better. Or is is me? > > > > > > > > > Ernie Ekberg > > > 83PT40 > > > Wanderlodge > > > Weatherford, Tx > > > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: tommy.rountree > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O.K, everyone.... . > > > > > > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my 94 WB. Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years old. No cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured on two Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and the best of the drives to the Tag. > > > > > > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has a Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones and Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices: > > > > > > Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting. > > > Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting. > > > Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting. > > > > > > The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire for the money. > > > > > > Help! > > > > > > Tommy Rountree > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

[bubblerboy64]

Ok, While we're on the subject. How do you guys go about rotating tires.
Considering Shane's post on the drive axle. If you rotate the steers to the back
you only are dealing with two tires at at time. I can see taking them to the
tag. Greg was talking about rotating every two years and putting the newest
tires always on the steer. If you do that what do you do. But the tires taken
off of the steer axle as inner duals or do you put them on one side at a time.

As to my Goodyear take offs. I'll have to see what is what on my bus. I think
I will likely put these G159's on the tag. Take the tags off which I believe
are G149's then I might keep one as a spare. Haven't thought that fair ahead.
I'll have at least one maybe two decent tires to find a home for.







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> thanks Shane. I have 24.5 on the drive and tag. and 22.5 on the steer. don't
know why, bus came that way. I just got home from NC and will be looking at
different price ranges.
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> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Wanderlodge
> Weatherford, Tx
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
>
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> wrote:
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> From: sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...>
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 6:18 PM
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> To answer your question Ernie- NO!
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> The entire drive axle should be replaced as a set of 4. At a minimum each side
of the drive axle should be a matched pair, but if the two pairs differ in age
and size, you risk heating up the differential on a long trip.
>
> If you're on a limited budget, skimp on the tags. Go to a tour bus operator
and see if they will sell you a set of used steer axle Michelin's with 15-20K
miles on them. As long as the date code is within the past 2 years, it's a
pretty safe bet that they will work just fine.
>
> If Heckman doesn't have a use for his used G-159's, I'll gladly bring them out
in October when we go to Balloon Fest. We can toss them up on Archie's roof and
he'll get them to you.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> . --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >
> > So if you are on a fixed- like not much income, can you replace the inner
drive with the same kind and brand of tire?
> >
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83PT40
> > Wanderlodge
> > Weatherford, Tx
> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Pete Masterson wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Pete Masterson
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 11:28 AM
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> > There should be no problem mixing metric (315/80) with 12R tires, if each
axle carries the same size/type tire. i.e. replacing tires as you suggest should
be no problem.
> >
> >
> > The only concern is that the 315s, which are about .4 inches wider than the
12R may not have sufficient clearance on the duals ... but that's something to
discuss with the tire installer -- I note that several 'bird owners have moved
to the metric size tires without problems.
> >
> >
> > Note that we're referring to all tires as having the radial design. Mixing
bias ply tires and radials on the same vehicle can result in some poor handling
characteristics. 
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> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > El Sobrante CA
> > aeonix1@mac. com
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> > On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:32 AM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
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> > Hi Guys,  Ya have me concerned.  I have the GY 159  12R22.5 on my coach.
 About three years old, maybe less then 10k miles.  I want to replace them for
peace of mind if for no other reason.  My plan is to do the steer tires now and
then next year  the drives and the following the tag.  I just can't swing the
entire set of 8 at one shot.   My question is one of the fellow replaced his 12R
with 315/80/R 22.5 and feels the larger tires a significant benefit.  Sounds
reasonable.   Since I am not doing all 8 at one time do you see a problem mixing
the different size tires as I proceed with my plan?  Obviously when I do the
drive axle I would not mix sizes there.  Anyone see a problem with either the
larger size or the mixing as I go.  Thanks   I intend to buy Michelin ZXA2
tires.  
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> > John Heckman
> > Shippensburg Pa
> > 1987 PT 36
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> > It just you Ernie. LOL
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> > Your right MICHELIN is better.
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> > The last time the subject about tires on the forum was discussed it got
personal.
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> > Some folks have a problem with Michelin being French Company; some folks
have problems with Mexican painters. Etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a problem with getting the most bang for my buck.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't much care were it's made or who made it, as long as it's the best I
can get for my $$$$$$"SSSSSSS
> >
> >
> >
> > Bridgstone is owned by Michelin, so for a few more bucks I'd go Michelin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Goodyear is only used by necessity not by choice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michelin is standard equipment on Prevost
> >
> >
> >
> > Firestone makes a tire for Greyhound that has an extra strong sidewall, due
to the fact that the Dogs pull up to the curb several times a day and scuffing
is a problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your rotation schedule sounds good. I've been doing that every year since
I've owned my coach. Two new steers yearly, In another year I'll have nothing
older that 4 years on the bird. With good trade in value to boot.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you go back and check some of the older threads on this forum you'll see
lots of ideas, see if your tire guy will not take the old tires that have good
tread and not too old in on trade, don't just give them up they are worth
something,
> >
> >
> >
> > Local truckers and farmers would probably give $100 bucks or more for a tire
with good tread that are only three or four years old.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are other choices as well, Kumho & Toyo are as good as the other
brands.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kurt Horvath
> >
> > 95 PT 42
> >
> > 10AC
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't Bridgestones have a harder sidewall then the others?
> >
> >
> > I had B's on my van and they  were stiif. Put M's on and ride is better. Or
is is me?
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> > Ernie Ekberg
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> > 83PT40
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> > Wanderlodge
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> > Weatherford, Tx
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> >
> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair
> >
> >
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> > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, tommy.rountree wrote:
> >
> >
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> > From: tommy.rountree
> >
> >
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: tires
> >
> >
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> >
> > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 5:33 PM
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> > I'm now throughly confused. I have Michelins all the way around on my 94 WB.
Steer tires 4 years old. Drive tires 5 years old, Tag tires 6 years old. No
cracks, good tread. I was wanting to replace my steers and had figured on two
Goodyears for thew steers and moving the michelins to the Drive and the best of
the drives to the Tag.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My tire man here at home (does tires for a couple of churches one has a
Prevost Tour Bus and the other has a BB) recommends Goodyears, Firestones and
Bridgestones in that order. Does not recommend Michelins. Prices:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Goodyears $508.00 each including new ss valve stems and mounting.
> >
> >
> > Firestones $465.00 each, include ss valve stems and mounting.
> >
> >
> > Bridgestones $561.00 each, includes new ss valve stems and mounting.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The tire debate goes no, but I not choosy - just want the best tire for the
money.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Help!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tommy Rountree
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>