ALLEVIATING DIESEL PUMP BURP?

[homesicktexans_33009]

Howdy.

Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the
truck islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets
fuel down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has
both fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and
out of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to
solve this "discussion"?

TIA,
Liz
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX
Buena Vista, CO

[brad barton]

Liz,

Two ideas: Nitrile gloves and watershoes every time you pull into the truck pump.

I never had the patience for the RV diesel pumps.

Brad

"bbartonwx@hotmail.com"

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: jacklizpearce@...
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:57:38 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] ALLEVIATING DIESEL PUMP BURP?

Howdy.

Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve this "discussion"?

TIA,
Liz
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX
Buena Vista, CO

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[SteveQ]

Liz

I will take Jack's postion on this. Better to take some time at the slow pumps
and not have a fuel shower than to save a few $. I do that all the time. I
have an insert in the fuel fill that is supposed to prevent the "burp" but only
reduces it at the high speed pumps. At the slower pumps it works great.
Besides we can all usually time the fuel fill at the end of the day so we are
not losing driving time.

Steve Quandt
1993 PT40
Iron Mountain, MI

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "homesicktexans_33009"
wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck
> islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel
> down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both
> fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out
> of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve
> this "discussion"? []
>
> TIA,
> Liz
> Regards,
> Jack and Liz Pearce
> Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
> D'Hanis, TX
> Buena Vista, CO
>

[Pete Masterson]

I have found the following helps:

1. I wear disposable nitrile (or vinyl) gloves when fueling.

2. I put a small (disposable) rag loosely around the nozzle -- not so much it seals the tank, but enough that it 'catches' the burp, when it comes.

3. I run the pump at the slowest possible speed (which is still faster than regular non-truck lane pumps).

4. I find that sometimes the fuel is more 'foamy' than other times. More foamy fuel is more likely to have a burp.

5. I lift the dispenser nozzle upward so that the fuel flows along the bottom on the filler pipe. Admittedly, this eventually is fatiguing, especially if the tank is well below half full.

6. Even so, I often get a burp when the tank still has room for 30-40 more gallons. The relatively inaccurate fuel gauge only gives me the most general idea how much the tank will take .... I try to guess what the amount required to fill is... then stop filling for a moment when 50 gal or so is left --- this lets the trapped air out and settles the fuel. I then continue filling at the slowest setting. If I make it past the first burp (or after it has occurred) I then continue filling with the pump barely on -- I don't let it latch into the first notch -- I just hold it 'on.'

Note I am careful to stand to the side of the filler, usually with the little door offering some shielding. (Toward the front on the street side (most common fill side in the truck lanes) or toward the rear on the curb side.)

Mostly, I've managed to avoid drenching myself with fuel -- and more important, the rag around the nozzle has kept me from drenching the 300 lb, 9' tall trucker in the next lane.

Once the tank is full, I return the nozzle to the pump, put the cap on the tank, hose off any spilled fuel, close the door, then dispose of my gloves and rag as I head for the office to settle up.

What not to do:If you put the nozzle in and just let in 'hang' in the filler pipe, and set it to go with the pump on 'high' you'll get a major burp after 20 or 30 gallons goes into the tank. Indeed, anytime you run the filler any faster than the slowest setting, you're going to get a major burp.

There were several suggested fixes -- the one I like best used a smaller pipe inside the filler pipe. The smaller pipe was large enough to accept the end of the nozzle -- this carried the fuel into the bottom of the tank (not necessarily good if you have crud there) but allowed the air to escape through the filler pipe. Unfortunately, the instructions were for an older 'bird with a 3" diameter filler pipe. The '95 (and newer, I presume) only have a 2" diameter filler pipe that made fitting the inside pipe difficult -- so I never implemented that idea.

Clearly, the central problem is that the venting is insufficient to carry away the air that gets trapped in the tank as the fuel enters.

Pete Masterson

(former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Oct 4, 2009, at 6:57 PM, homesicktexans_33009 wrote:

Howdy.

Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve this "discussion"?

TIA,
Liz
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX
Buena Vista, CO

[Wayne Kotila]

I allways fill with the big rigs at the truck stops and what has worked for meis to fill the tank on high untell about the 3/4 full point on the fuel guage, then slow the pump way down for the last 1/4 of tank. On my 1985 PT40 that I just sold there was the 3" filler neck andIwoud wrap a bungy cord around the diesal pumps hose and hook the two endsof the bungy cord on the inside lip of the fuel door opening on the rv so Icouldcleanthe wndshield. My wife would let me know when we were at about the 3/4 tank level so I could slow the pump down.
Wayne Kotila

1996 PT42

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From: homesicktexans_33009
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 8:57:38 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] ALLEVIATING DIESEL PUMP BURP?

Howdy.

Jack and I are having a "discussion" . He doesn't want to use the truck islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve this "discussion" ?

TIA,
Liz
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX
Buena Vista, CO

[sfedeli3]

Liz,

Twist an old dish rag into a spiral and wrap it around the nozzle before putting
it into the tank so that the nozzle "seats" into the hole firmly with the dish
towel. The towel fabric will still allow the air to escape the tank, but will
stop the foam and diesel from spraying out when the tank tops off. This method
works great for me at the truck islands. I have not spilled a drop in years.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "homesicktexans_33009"
wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck
> islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel
> down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both
> fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out
> of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve
> this "discussion"? []
>
> TIA,
> Liz
> Regards,
> Jack and Liz Pearce
> Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
> D'Hanis, TX
> Buena Vista, CO
>

[birds_first]

After taking several diesel baths I started watching the problem and I came up
with a sure fire solution. I measured the fill spout length down to the coil on
the inside of the fuel tank. I think it is about 12", I cut a 18" piece of
1.75" top rail pipe, drilled 4 holes about 2.5" apart in a stright line from the
tank side on my inserted pipe. Now everytime I fill up I insert the fuel nozzle
in the pipe that I insert into my fuel spout/tank. I have never taken a diesel
bath since. What happens is the diesel goes through the pipe allowing air to
escape the fuel tank outside my pipe. Normally what happens when you fill your
tank fuel fills the fuel spout and blocks the air escape from your fuel tank
this is what is causing the burping of diesel. I'll bring a few with me to
RATS.
John McGinnis
Louisville, KY 88FC35
Bird Brains
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveQ" wrote:
>
> Liz
>
> I will take Jack's postion on this. Better to take some time at the slow
pumps and not have a fuel shower than to save a few $. I do that all the time.
I have an insert in the fuel fill that is supposed to prevent the "burp" but
only reduces it at the high speed pumps. At the slower pumps it works great.
Besides we can all usually time the fuel fill at the end of the day so we are
not losing driving time.
>
> Steve Quandt
> 1993 PT40
> Iron Mountain, MI
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "homesicktexans_33009"
wrote:
> >
> > Howdy.
> >
> > Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck
> > islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel
> > down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both
> > fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out
> > of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve
> > this "discussion"? []
> >
> > TIA,
> > Liz
> > Regards,
> > Jack and Liz Pearce
> > Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
> > D'Hanis, TX
> > Buena Vista, CO
> >
>

[jburgessx2]

John,

I have the insert that drops into the fill spout and the one I have still burps.
I would be interested in seeing a pic of this to see if it's the same thing I
have. Could you post a pic?

Jerry
85 PT40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birds_first" wrote:
>
>
> After taking several diesel baths I started watching the problem and I came up
with a sure fire solution. I measured the fill spout length down to the coil on
the inside of the fuel tank. I think it is about 12", I cut a 18" piece of
1.75" top rail pipe, drilled 4 holes about 2.5" apart in a stright line from the
tank side on my inserted pipe. Now everytime I fill up I insert the fuel nozzle
in the pipe that I insert into my fuel spout/tank. I have never taken a diesel
bath since. What happens is the diesel goes through the pipe allowing air to
escape the fuel tank outside my pipe. Normally what happens when you fill your
tank fuel fills the fuel spout and blocks the air escape from your fuel tank
this is what is causing the burping of diesel. I'll bring a few with me to
RATS.
> John McGinnis
> Louisville, KY 88FC35
> Bird Brains
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "SteveQ" wrote:
> >
> > Liz
> >
> > I will take Jack's postion on this. Better to take some time at the slow
pumps and not have a fuel shower than to save a few $. I do that all the time.
I have an insert in the fuel fill that is supposed to prevent the "burp" but
only reduces it at the high speed pumps. At the slower pumps it works great.
Besides we can all usually time the fuel fill at the end of the day so we are
not losing driving time.
> >
> > Steve Quandt
> > 1993 PT40
> > Iron Mountain, MI
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "homesicktexans_33009"
wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy.
> > >
> > > Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck
> > > islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel
> > > down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both
> > > fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out
> > > of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve
> > > this "discussion"? []
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Liz
> > > Regards,
> > > Jack and Liz Pearce
> > > Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
> > > D'Hanis, TX
> > > Buena Vista, CO
> > >
> >
>

[Page Britt]

We also fill in the truck lanes where sometimes you can find the older spec. low sulfur (real) diesel fuel as opposed to the BTU diminished ULSD fuel being forced on us by the government. Speaking of which Pilot has a listing athttp://www.pilottravelcenters.com/Locati...elType=All which shows which Travel Centers gave LSD as well as ULSD and the current price. Enjoy it while it lasts.

What I do is fill at the slowest (most restrictive) click on the nozzle handle catch until I guess I'm about 30-40 gals. from full. Then I take a flashlight and sight down the filler over the nozzle looking for foam while I MANUALLY operate the nozzle at a conservative rate of flow pausing occasionally to let it vent. Most of the entrapped air will be dissipated by the time ours is close to full. Then it's a matter of very slow flow and more frequent pauses whenever the foam starts to significantly rise in the filler to top off. Note - LED flashlights particularly those with a visibly blue color like the LED Mini Maglite will cause the green dye in on-road diesel to fluoresce. The effect is very evident at night but a considerable aid in seeing liquid fuel and foam down the filler even in daylight as it's kinda dark down that pipe anyway! Only received one diesel bath before I got the hang of it, but I do tend stand with my body back behind the filler door just in case. Some high flow truck lane pump / nozzle combinations are more conducive to slow manual flow rates than others but this technique sees to be generally work with most all of them that we've encountered.

Granted if John's invention will work as well on a PT as it does on his FC it would be easier.

--Page

Page & Lynda

1984 PT-40 "Lady Bird"

Tallahassee, FL

On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:30 PM, jburgessx2 wrote:

John,

I have the insert that drops into the fill spout and the one I have still burps. I would be interested in seeing a pic of this to see if it's the same thing I have. Could you post a pic?

Jerry
85 PT40

--- In"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "birds_first" ...> wrote:
>
>
> After taking several diesel baths I started watching the problem and I came up with a sure fire solution. I measured the fill spout length down to the coil on the inside of the fuel tank. I think it is about 12", I cut a 18" piece of 1.75" top rail pipe, drilled 4 holes about 2.5" apart in a stright line from the tank side on my inserted pipe. Now everytime I fill up I insert the fuel nozzle in the pipe that I insert into my fuel spout/tank. I have never taken a diesel bath since. What happens is the diesel goes through the pipe allowing air to escape the fuel tank outside my pipe. Normally what happens when you fill your tank fuel fills the fuel spout and blocks the air escape from your fuel tank this is what is causing the burping of diesel. I'll bring a few with me to RATS.
> John McGinnis
> Louisville, KY 88FC35
> Bird Brains
> --- In"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "SteveQ" wrote:
> >
> > Liz
> >
> > I will take Jack's postion on this. Better to take some time at the slow pumps and not have a fuel shower than to save a few $. I do that all the time. I have an insert in the fuel fill that is supposed to prevent the "burp" but only reduces it at the high speed pumps. At the slower pumps it works great. Besides we can all usually time the fuel fill at the end of the day so we are not losing driving time.
> >
> > Steve Quandt
> > 1993 PT40
> > Iron Mountain, MI
> >
> > --- In"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "homesicktexans_33009" > wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy.
> > >
> > > Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck
> > > islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel
> > > down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both
> > > fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out
> > > of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve
> > > this "discussion"? []
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Liz
> > > Regards,
> > > Jack and Liz Pearce
> > > Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
> > > D'Hanis, TX
> > > Buena Vista, CO
> > >
> >
>

[homesicktexans_33009]

A big THANK YOU to all that replied to this query. Jack is reviewing every idea.

Thanks again,
Jack and Liz
going to Lake Texoma, Jack wants to go fishing!!

Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX
Buena Vista, CO

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...> wrote:
>
> Liz,
>
> Twist an old dish rag into a spiral and wrap it around the nozzle before putting it into the tank so that the nozzle "seats" into the hole firmly with the dish towel. The towel fabric will still allow the air to escape the tank, but will stop the foam and diesel from spraying out when the tank tops off. This method works great for me at the truck islands. I have not spilled a drop in years.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "homesicktexans_33009" jacklizpearce@ wrote:
> >
> > Howdy.
> >
> > Jack and I are having a "discussion". He doesn't want to use the truck
> > islands to get diesel fuel because of the pump burping. He gets fuel
> > down the side of the coach and on his shoes even though he has both
> > fills open. I like the cash price and it is easier to get into and out
> > of the truck islands. Solutions, suggestions, ideas as to how to solve
> > this "discussion"? []
> >
> > TIA,
> > Liz
> > Regards,
> > Jack and Liz Pearce
> > Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
> > D'Hanis, TX
> > Buena Vista, CO
> >
>