Right price for a used bird

[lemco3]

Does anyone have an idea what the correct asking price should be for a
used 80 to 83 FC35 in average/decent mechanical condition??? Have been
looking around on the internet and seen many for sale all over the
country with asking prices that vary by as much as $25,000. It is all
very confusing for a 1st time buyer. Any help in this regard would be
greatly appreciated. I am looking for a good running unit that may need
a little cosmetic fix up or interior work. Thanks.

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

--- 80-83 BIRD price..FC..the short answer is $15-40K..take a BIRD
expert or mechanic with u!
lol
Hank Hannigan
90SP36





In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "lemco3" wrote:
>
> Does anyone have an idea what the correct asking price should be
for a
> used 80 to 83 FC35 in average/decent mechanical condition??? Have
been
> looking around on the internet and seen many for sale all over the
> country with asking prices that vary by as much as $25,000. It is
all
> very confusing for a 1st time buyer. Any help in this regard would
be
> greatly appreciated. I am looking for a good running unit that may
need
> a little cosmetic fix up or interior work. Thanks.
>

[Dave Beatty]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "lemco3" wrote:

Does anyone have an idea what the correct asking price should be for a
used 80 to 83 FC35 in average/decent mechanical condition??? Have been
looking around on the internet and seen many for sale all over the
country with asking prices that vary by as much as $25,000. It is all
very confusing for a 1st time buyer. Any help in this regard would be
greatly appreciated. I am looking for a good running unit that may
need a little cosmetic fix up or interior work. Thanks.



I have a copy of the NADA (Older Recreation Vehicle Appraisal Guide)
that is dated Sept thru Dec 2004 that has the below info. These are
approximate values since upgrades and maintenance done on these coach
can greatly impact true values.


YR MODEL LIST TRADE RETAIL

80 M31 121.4 13.3 18.7
80 M33 125.3 13.7 19.3
80 M35 140.5 15.6 22.0

81 M31 141.1 14.4 20.4
81 M33 145.3 14.8 21.0
81 M35 165.9 16.8 23.8

82 M31 163.4 16.3 22.1
82 M33 168.7 16.8 22.7
82 M35 189.9 19.2 25.9
82 M40 265.0 25.9 34.9

83 M31 185.2 19.0 26.0
83 M33RB 187.0 19.2 26.2
83 M33PT 188.5 19.6 26.7
83 M35SB 211.7 21.6 29.6
83 M35PT 284.4 29.7 40.6
83 M40PT 306.1 32.0 43.7

84 M31SB 194.3 21.1 30.1
84 M33RB 195.7 21.2 30.2
84 M33SB 198.6 21.6 30.8
84 M35SB 221.5 24.1 34.3
84 M35RB 223.6 23.4 34.7
84 M35PT 295.0 31.4 44.8
84 M40PT 319.1 34.0 48.5

ADD FOR OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT


I have tried to copy the value data from the Yellow NADA Appraisal
Guide accurately but I make no promise as to the accuracy of my
effort. I was surprised to see a 83 M33PT but I decided to post data
exactly as written.

Dave Beatty
83 FC35SB (BirdCage)
Federal Way, Washington
beattyd at yahoo dot com

[Tim Hannink]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Beatty" <beattyd@y...>
wrote:
> was surprised to see a 83 M33PT but I decided to post data
> exactly as written.


It looks like it was a typo and should have been an "M33SB" instead.
That would make the prices make sense also. Was the rear bath only
available in 1983 in the 33' bird? That doesn't seem right.

I'm suprised at the size of the $$$ difference between the 31-33'
footers (hundreds of $) and the '35 footers (thousands of $).

Thanks,

TJ Hannink
Winter Park, FL
1981 FC-33SB

[Ken Sann]

The 35' not only had a third AC unit, but the Diesel 12.5kw generator, as
opposed to two AC's and the gas generators (as standard, I do believe that the
Diesel was an option).
That accounts for a probably a third of the $20k.



ken
wannabe in SoCal


----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Hannink
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

<<snip>>
I'm suprised at the size of the $$$ difference between the 31-33'
footers (hundreds of $) and the '35 footers (thousands of $).



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[Scott]

Tim, I could'nt agree more! Those numbers seem offbase to me. Also
consider those prices are "old". Which means today they are LOWER!
Dave nothing against you at all thanks for the info. I have found
with pricing used boats that the "used" boat books often start with
the base pricing missing or excluding the options.ie: chrome rub
rails, ice machine,upgrades, mileage etc. On older boats I often put
a value on a used boat from the aspect of what will my market pay for
it! Condition, appearance, maintenance all play a part.

AS WE ALL KNOW the real price of a BB is what one is willing to sell
for and one is willing to buy for. For those needing financing lets
hope the bankers don't see this....I believe I would contact the
dealers or brokers as to a REAL value they are more in the know as to
value today.

Heck after the RIV we were looking a a new BB and were assured we
could get "what ever you want" as a trade in...hell I prolly would
boast that I sold the only six figure FC going..lol..

Scott B
86FC35 "RUBY"
Murrells Inlet SC "right next to heaven"

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Hannink"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Beatty"
<beattyd@y...>
> wrote:
> > was surprised to see a 83 M33PT but I decided to post data
> > exactly as written.
>
>
> It looks like it was a typo and should have been an "M33SB"
instead.
> That would make the prices make sense also. Was the rear bath only
> available in 1983 in the 33' bird? That doesn't seem right.
>
> I'm suprised at the size of the $$$ difference between the 31-33'
> footers (hundreds of $) and the '35 footers (thousands of $).
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ Hannink
> Winter Park, FL
> 1981 FC-33SB
>

[Wallace Craig]

As silly as it may sound, the right price is what you are willing to pay and
what the seller is willing to accept; as with most things in life, it is a
matter of negotiation. Don't spend too much time wondering about the right
price; make a low ball good faith offer and see what happens.
Wallace Craig
95WLWB42
Azle, Texas now in Bernie for WL rally
Dave Beatty <beattyd@...> wrote:
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "lemco3" wrote:

Does anyone have an idea what the correct asking price should be for a
used 80 to 83 FC35 in average/decent mechanical condition??? Have been
looking around on the internet and seen many for sale all over the
country with asking prices that vary by as much as $25,000. It is all
very confusing for a 1st time buyer. Any help in this regard would be
greatly appreciated. I am looking for a good running unit that may
need a little cosmetic fix up or interior work. Thanks.



I have a copy of the NADA (Older Recreation Vehicle Appraisal Guide)
that is dated Sept thru Dec 2004 that has the below info. These are
approximate values since upgrades and maintenance done on these coach
can greatly impact true values.


YR MODEL LIST TRADE RETAIL

80 M31 121.4 13.3 18.7
80 M33 125.3 13.7 19.3
80 M35 140.5 15.6 22.0

81 M31 141.1 14.4 20.4
81 M33 145.3 14.8 21.0
81 M35 165.9 16.8 23.8

82 M31 163.4 16.3 22.1
82 M33 168.7 16.8 22.7
82 M35 189.9 19.2 25.9
82 M40 265.0 25.9 34.9

83 M31 185.2 19.0 26.0
83 M33RB 187.0 19.2 26.2
83 M33PT 188.5 19.6 26.7
83 M35SB 211.7 21.6 29.6
83 M35PT 284.4 29.7 40.6
83 M40PT 306.1 32.0 43.7

84 M31SB 194.3 21.1 30.1
84 M33RB 195.7 21.2 30.2
84 M33SB 198.6 21.6 30.8
84 M35SB 221.5 24.1 34.3
84 M35RB 223.6 23.4 34.7
84 M35PT 295.0 31.4 44.8
84 M40PT 319.1 34.0 48.5

ADD FOR OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT


I have tried to copy the value data from the Yellow NADA Appraisal
Guide accurately but I make no promise as to the accuracy of my
effort. I was surprised to see a 83 M33PT but I decided to post data
exactly as written.

Dave Beatty
83 FC35SB (BirdCage)
Federal Way, Washington
beattyd at yahoo dot com









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[Mike Hohnstein]

If you want a good laugh, go to the classifieds in FMCA mag. Crazy asking
prices for sure. Don't think they sell much out that medium.
Mike Hohnstein
----- Original Message -----
From: Wallace Craig
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Right price for a used bird


As silly as it may sound, the right price is what you are willing to pay and
what the seller is willing to accept; as with most things in life, it is a
matter of negotiation. Don't spend too much time wondering about the right
price; make a low ball good faith offer and see what happens.
Wallace Craig
95WLWB42
Azle, Texas now in Bernie for WL rally
Dave Beatty <beattyd@...> wrote:
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "lemco3" wrote:

Does anyone have an idea what the correct asking price should be for a
used 80 to 83 FC35 in average/decent mechanical condition??? Have been
looking around on the internet and seen many for sale all over the
country with asking prices that vary by as much as $25,000. It is all
very confusing for a 1st time buyer. Any help in this regard would be
greatly appreciated. I am looking for a good running unit that may
need a little cosmetic fix up or interior work. Thanks.



I have a copy of the NADA (Older Recreation Vehicle Appraisal Guide)
that is dated Sept thru Dec 2004 that has the below info. These are
approximate values since upgrades and maintenance done on these coach
can greatly impact true values.


YR MODEL LIST TRADE RETAIL

80 M31 121.4 13.3 18.7
80 M33 125.3 13.7 19.3
80 M35 140.5 15.6 22.0

81 M31 141.1 14.4 20.4
81 M33 145.3 14.8 21.0
81 M35 165.9 16.8 23.8

82 M31 163.4 16.3 22.1
82 M33 168.7 16.8 22.7
82 M35 189.9 19.2 25.9
82 M40 265.0 25.9 34.9

83 M31 185.2 19.0 26.0
83 M33RB 187.0 19.2 26.2
83 M33PT 188.5 19.6 26.7
83 M35SB 211.7 21.6 29.6
83 M35PT 284.4 29.7 40.6
83 M40PT 306.1 32.0 43.7

84 M31SB 194.3 21.1 30.1
84 M33RB 195.7 21.2 30.2
84 M33SB 198.6 21.6 30.8
84 M35SB 221.5 24.1 34.3
84 M35RB 223.6 23.4 34.7
84 M35PT 295.0 31.4 44.8
84 M40PT 319.1 34.0 48.5

ADD FOR OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT


I have tried to copy the value data from the Yellow NADA Appraisal
Guide accurately but I make no promise as to the accuracy of my
effort. I was surprised to see a 83 M33PT but I decided to post data
exactly as written.

Dave Beatty
83 FC35SB (BirdCage)
Federal Way, Washington
beattyd at yahoo dot com









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[Dave Beatty]

When I was trying to finance my 83 FC35SB, I had a hard time finding
a value for the Credit Union to accept.

I agree with all the posts about how to find the best selling price
which is often different than what is provided by NADA. But I did
not see these numbers til after I had bought my bird and to my
surprice my net price was very close to the number show.

Also please remember these numbers are 1 year old and do not account
for options or condition. The back of the NADA Yellow book reads ...

Do not use the Appraisal Guide after December 31, 2004.

To get your own personal current copy, please contact

NADA Appraisal Guides
(800)966-6232
Cost $60.00
Subscription includes 3 copies Jan, May, Sep

Please order your copy soon.

That should take me off the hook with NADA since I am encouraging
everyone to order their own copy.
__________________
Dave and Judy Beatty
1983 FC35SB (BirdCage)
Federal Way, Washington State

[mrdonut12]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "lemco3" wrote:
>
> Does anyone have an idea what the correct asking price should be for a
> used 80 to 83 FC35 in average/decent mechanical condition??? Have been
> looking around on the internet and seen many for sale all over the
> country with asking prices that vary by as much as $25,000. It is all
> very confusing for a 1st time buyer. Any help in this regard would be
> greatly appreciated. I am looking for a good running unit that may need
> a little cosmetic fix up or interior work. Thanks.

The reason the prices are all over the map is that the mechanical
conditions of the buses vary all over the map.
There are about a million and 3 gizmos on a Wanderlodge. A
meticulous and conciencious owner will be right on top of anything
that breaks and fix it right away. At the other extreme is the owner
who just puts gas in it and lets things slide when they go.
When I was calling and talking to owners of units for sale, I'd
ask about the maintenance history, what was good about their unit and
what all didn't work on it.
The answers were very interesting, indeed.
I'm a mechanic and do almost all my own work on mine. In 2 years
and 30,000 miles of ownership I've learned more than I ever wanted to,
if you get my drift. ;o)
Don't buy any unit that hasn't been thoroughly checked by an
expert. Once they've done a check, you'll have a "list" with some
prices on it. This will give you a baseline from which to make a
decision.
Most experience Wanderlodge owners will tell you to have an extra
10 grand available after purchase to take care of things that either
need attention now or will shortly. :o)
I read every single post on all the Bird forums for 4 months
before I bought, just to see what commonly breaks on these things.
For the most part, it's just little stuff, but it adds up. It's
rarely major, like engine, transmission or rear end.
I'd suggest Ralph Fullenwider, Randy DuPree or Jeff Miller for
the pre-purchase check.
If it's nice and the list is short, mid thirties can be very
reasonable. If the list is longer, start subtracting from there.
There are some that may approach negative net values...
Welcome to the group. We're all supposed to sign our names, year
and model (in your case "wannabe" works fine) and location.

George Witt
81 FC 35
Lincoln, Nebraska