Up date on the Craig's Coach

[bgatley]

Wallace,

I am learning our new coach and am not sure which engine you have in
your coach. We have the 8V92 and you mentioned the engine has a
computer. Which engine do you have? My previous coach (Beaver) was
a CAT and it did have the computer, but for some reason I thought
the 8V92 does not.

Brian Gatley
93 WLWB PT40
Bend, OR

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
wrote:
>
> Ralph, thanks for posting the information about what was going on
with the coach. We indeed did leave San Antonio today after getting
the reservoir neck repaired. It was actually a pin sized hole which
I took a picture of before it was repaired. I cannot in good
concience complain too loudly about them not finding that because it
was covered by a layer of sthyrofoam which was used to seal it in
place. The prior owner did know somthing was wrong because there was
a low coolant code left on the computer from May 30th; he may not
have told buddy gregg and he may have. Short of having the CIA
torture him I doubt that I will ever know.
>
> What did really frost Faye was the dirty coach that they left
for her to clean up. I had her save the rags( filthy) which she
cleaned with and I am going to photo them and send to S&S management
along with a letter congratulating some workers and speaking ill of
others.
>
> Keep the faith and remember to water your yard if the
flames get close.
>
> Now in Clifton, Tx to see friends.
> Wallace & Faye
>
>
> "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote
> Happy New Year everyone:
>
> An up date on Wallace and Faye Craig's '95PT42WB. As you know the
> transmission went on the trip home from the LSB Rally in Bourne,
Tx. Cause
> was engine coolant getting into the transmission and ruining the
computer
> and seals. An Allison Factory rebuilt was ordered and finally
installed.
>
> On the way home from the shop in San Antonio, the engine warning
lights
> came on once again, and Wallace had the Coach towed back to the
shop. As it
> turned out, this time, the engine code said it was due to low
coolant! Well
> the coolant was freshly changed at that shop and had been toped
off.
>
> Second problem found: As it turned out, the filler neck to the
coolant
> tank, about 3 inches or so long, had a split in it just below the
pressure
> cap. So as pressure increased the coolant ran out of the split to
who knows
> where and of course the engine code signaled the engine stop light.
>
> The neck will be repaired tomorrow and all should be go at that
time.
>
> Bottom line on the second problem is this, Those with Coaches, umm
I would
> say '92/'93 on, might want to check this short neck filler tube
that goes
> into the top of the reservoir tank for any signs of splits or what
ever.
>
>
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Photos
> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,
holidays, whatever.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Jeff Miller]

BlueBird began installing the DDEC engine computer in the '88MY 102"
Widebody coaches. No 96"wide Wanderlodge coaches have computer-
controlled engines to my knowledge.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bgatley" wrote:
>
> Wallace,
>
> I am learning our new coach and am not sure which engine you have
in
> your coach. We have the 8V92 and you mentioned the engine has a
> computer. Which engine do you have? My previous coach (Beaver)
was
> a CAT and it did have the computer, but for some reason I thought
> the 8V92 does not.
>
> Brian Gatley
> 93 WLWB PT40
> Bend, OR
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
> wrote:
> >
> > Ralph, thanks for posting the information about what was going on
> with the coach. We indeed did leave San Antonio today after
getting
> the reservoir neck repaired. It was actually a pin sized hole
which
> I took a picture of before it was repaired. I cannot in good
> concience complain too loudly about them not finding that because
it
> was covered by a layer of sthyrofoam which was used to seal it in
> place. The prior owner did know somthing was wrong because there
was
> a low coolant code left on the computer from May 30th; he may not
> have told buddy gregg and he may have. Short of having the CIA
> torture him I doubt that I will ever know.
> >
> > What did really frost Faye was the dirty coach that they left
> for her to clean up. I had her save the rags( filthy) which she
> cleaned with and I am going to photo them and send to S&S
management
> along with a letter congratulating some workers and speaking ill
of
> others.
> >
> > Keep the faith and remember to water your yard if the
> flames get close.
> >
> > Now in Clifton, Tx to see friends.
> > Wallace & Faye
> >
> >
> > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote
> > Happy New Year everyone:
> >
> > An up date on Wallace and Faye Craig's '95PT42WB. As you know the
> > transmission went on the trip home from the LSB Rally in Bourne,
> Tx. Cause
> > was engine coolant getting into the transmission and ruining the
> computer
> > and seals. An Allison Factory rebuilt was ordered and finally
> installed.
> >
> > On the way home from the shop in San Antonio, the engine warning
> lights
> > came on once again, and Wallace had the Coach towed back to the
> shop. As it
> > turned out, this time, the engine code said it was due to low
> coolant! Well
> > the coolant was freshly changed at that shop and had been toped
> off.
> >
> > Second problem found: As it turned out, the filler neck to the
> coolant
> > tank, about 3 inches or so long, had a split in it just below the
> pressure
> > cap. So as pressure increased the coolant ran out of the split to
> who knows
> > where and of course the engine code signaled the engine stop
light.
> >
> > The neck will be repaired tomorrow and all should be go at that
> time.
> >
> > Bottom line on the second problem is this, Those with Coaches,
umm
> I would
> > say '92/'93 on, might want to check this short neck filler tube
> that goes
> > into the top of the reservoir tank for any signs of splits or
what
> ever.
> >
> >
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Photos
> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,
> holidays, whatever.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Brian Gatley]

Jeff,

You are going to have to be more specific with me...I'm a little slow.

I can conclude then from your comment that any of the WB coaches after
1988 should have a computer. My 8V92 should have a computer and I need
to get it to a Detroit Allison mechanic to read the history of the
engine...correct?

Brian Gatley
93 WLWB PT40
Bend, OR

-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Miller
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:28 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Up date on the Craig's Coach


BlueBird began installing the DDEC engine computer in the '88MY 102"
Widebody coaches. No 96"wide Wanderlodge coaches have computer-
controlled engines to my knowledge.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bgatley" wrote:
>
> Wallace,
>
> I am learning our new coach and am not sure which engine you have
in
> your coach. We have the 8V92 and you mentioned the engine has a
> computer. Which engine do you have? My previous coach (Beaver)
was
> a CAT and it did have the computer, but for some reason I thought
> the 8V92 does not.
>
> Brian Gatley
> 93 WLWB PT40
> Bend, OR
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
> wrote:
> >
> > Ralph, thanks for posting the information about what was going on
> with the coach. We indeed did leave San Antonio today after
getting
> the reservoir neck repaired. It was actually a pin sized hole
which
> I took a picture of before it was repaired. I cannot in good
> concience complain too loudly about them not finding that because
it
> was covered by a layer of sthyrofoam which was used to seal it in
> place. The prior owner did know somthing was wrong because there
was
> a low coolant code left on the computer from May 30th; he may not
> have told buddy gregg and he may have. Short of having the CIA
> torture him I doubt that I will ever know.
> >
> > What did really frost Faye was the dirty coach that they left
> for her to clean up. I had her save the rags( filthy) which she
> cleaned with and I am going to photo them and send to S&S
management
> along with a letter congratulating some workers and speaking ill
of
> others.
> >
> > Keep the faith and remember to water your yard if the
> flames get close.
> >
> > Now in Clifton, Tx to see friends.
> > Wallace & Faye
> >
> >
> > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote
> > Happy New Year everyone:
> >
> > An up date on Wallace and Faye Craig's '95PT42WB. As you know the
> > transmission went on the trip home from the LSB Rally in Bourne,
> Tx. Cause
> > was engine coolant getting into the transmission and ruining the
> computer
> > and seals. An Allison Factory rebuilt was ordered and finally
> installed.
> >
> > On the way home from the shop in San Antonio, the engine warning
> lights
> > came on once again, and Wallace had the Coach towed back to the
> shop. As it
> > turned out, this time, the engine code said it was due to low
> coolant! Well
> > the coolant was freshly changed at that shop and had been toped
> off.
> >
> > Second problem found: As it turned out, the filler neck to the
> coolant
> > tank, about 3 inches or so long, had a split in it just below the
> pressure
> > cap. So as pressure increased the coolant ran out of the split to
> who knows
> > where and of course the engine code signaled the engine stop
light.
> >
> > The neck will be repaired tomorrow and all should be go at that
> time.
> >
> > Bottom line on the second problem is this, Those with Coaches,
umm
> I would
> > say '92/'93 on, might want to check this short neck filler tube
> that goes
> > into the top of the reservoir tank for any signs of splits or
what
> ever.
> >
> >
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Photos
> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,
> holidays, whatever.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>








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[Jeff Miller]

Sorry.

The DDEC is Detroit Diesel Electronic Control

Most (if not all) '88 WLWB coaches had the DDEC1 (1st generation)
In MY'89 BlueBird went to the DDECII, easier to find parts/service.
I'm not sure how many '89s have DDEC1, I've heard of at least one.

Your '93 does have the DDEC system, also Allison Transmission
Electronic Control was installed beginning in '86 I believe (ATEC),
the two "talk" to optimize shifting etc. in the coaches with the
electronic engine and transmission.

The DDEC has the capability to output historical information on later
coaches. If you're considering buying one you can run it to a DD
dealer and have it interrogated to find things such as warning
condition events, driving style (number of max. braking events, top
speed and average speed, etc.) horsepower/torque settings (can be
changed for enough $$ on S-60 engines) etc.

Call a DD dealer and they should be able to tell you over the phone
what historical data can be downloaded from your year and for how
much $$. I'm not sure where the connector is on a '93, Randy Dupree
is one owner who likely knows though.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Gatley"
wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> You are going to have to be more specific with me...I'm a little
slow.
>
> I can conclude then from your comment that any of the WB coaches
after
> 1988 should have a computer. My 8V92 should have a computer and I
need
> to get it to a Detroit Allison mechanic to read the history of the
> engine...correct?
>
> Brian Gatley
> 93 WLWB PT40
> Bend, OR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Miller
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:28 AM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Up date on the Craig's Coach
>
>
> BlueBird began installing the DDEC engine computer in the '88MY
102"
> Widebody coaches. No 96"wide Wanderlodge coaches have computer-
> controlled engines to my knowledge.
>
> - Jeff Miller
> in Holland, MI
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bgatley"
wrote:
> >
> > Wallace,
> >
> > I am learning our new coach and am not sure which engine you have
> in
> > your coach. We have the 8V92 and you mentioned the engine has a
> > computer. Which engine do you have? My previous coach (Beaver)
> was
> > a CAT and it did have the computer, but for some reason I thought
> > the 8V92 does not.
> >
> > Brian Gatley
> > 93 WLWB PT40
> > Bend, OR
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ralph, thanks for posting the information about what was going
on
> > with the coach. We indeed did leave San Antonio today after
> getting
> > the reservoir neck repaired. It was actually a pin sized hole
> which
> > I took a picture of before it was repaired. I cannot in good
> > concience complain too loudly about them not finding that because
> it
> > was covered by a layer of sthyrofoam which was used to seal it
in
> > place. The prior owner did know somthing was wrong because there
> was
> > a low coolant code left on the computer from May 30th; he may not
> > have told buddy gregg and he may have. Short of having the CIA
> > torture him I doubt that I will ever know.
> > >
> > > What did really frost Faye was the dirty coach that they left
> > for her to clean up. I had her save the rags( filthy) which she
> > cleaned with and I am going to photo them and send to S&S
> management
> > along with a letter congratulating some workers and speaking ill
> of
> > others.
> > >
> > > Keep the faith and remember to water your yard if the
> > flames get close.
> > >
> > > Now in Clifton, Tx to see friends.
> > > Wallace & Faye
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote
> > > Happy New Year everyone:
> > >
> > > An up date on Wallace and Faye Craig's '95PT42WB. As you know
the
> > > transmission went on the trip home from the LSB Rally in
Bourne,
> > Tx. Cause
> > > was engine coolant getting into the transmission and ruining
the
> > computer
> > > and seals. An Allison Factory rebuilt was ordered and finally
> > installed.
> > >
> > > On the way home from the shop in San Antonio, the engine
warning
> > lights
> > > came on once again, and Wallace had the Coach towed back to the
> > shop. As it
> > > turned out, this time, the engine code said it was due to low
> > coolant! Well
> > > the coolant was freshly changed at that shop and had been toped
> > off.
> > >
> > > Second problem found: As it turned out, the filler neck to the
> > coolant
> > > tank, about 3 inches or so long, had a split in it just below
the
> > pressure
> > > cap. So as pressure increased the coolant ran out of the split
to
> > who knows
> > > where and of course the engine code signaled the engine stop
> light.
> > >
> > > The neck will be repaired tomorrow and all should be go at that
> > time.
> > >
> > > Bottom line on the second problem is this, Those with Coaches,
> umm
> > I would
> > > say '92/'93 on, might want to check this short neck filler tube
> > that goes
> > > into the top of the reservoir tank for any signs of splits or
> what
> > ever.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
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> > > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,
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[Bob & Carol Howald`]

Brian: Your 93 has DD2 computer and your HT755 is also has a
computer . both port's to read the data are located in the compartment
on the left side underneath the shift button's. Take the cover off and
you'll find two lead's under there. Just curious? Why do you want them
to read the data? Do you have the company owner's manual?....Thanks.Bob
93pt40..Leaving Sat, for SPI......

[Wallace Craig]

Brian, I have a series 60 Detroit, and the computer outlet is b y the drivers
left knee.
Wallace

bgatley wrote:
Wallace,

I am learning our new coach and am not sure which engine you have in
your coach. We have the 8V92 and you mentioned the engine has a
computer. Which engine do you have? My previous coach (Beaver) was
a CAT and it did have the computer, but for some reason I thought
the 8V92 does not.

Brian Gatley
93 WLWB PT40
Bend, OR

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
wrote:
>
> Ralph, thanks for posting the information about what was going on
with the coach. We indeed did leave San Antonio today after getting
the reservoir neck repaired. It was actually a pin sized hole which
I took a picture of before it was repaired. I cannot in good
concience complain too loudly about them not finding that because it
was covered by a layer of sthyrofoam which was used to seal it in
place. The prior owner did know somthing was wrong because there was
a low coolant code left on the computer from May 30th; he may not
have told buddy gregg and he may have. Short of having the CIA
torture him I doubt that I will ever know.
>
> What did really frost Faye was the dirty coach that they left
for her to clean up. I had her save the rags( filthy) which she
cleaned with and I am going to photo them and send to S&S management
along with a letter congratulating some workers and speaking ill of
others.
>
> Keep the faith and remember to water your yard if the
flames get close.
>
> Now in Clifton, Tx to see friends.
> Wallace & Faye
>
>
> "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote
> Happy New Year everyone:
>
> An up date on Wallace and Faye Craig's '95PT42WB. As you know the
> transmission went on the trip home from the LSB Rally in Bourne,
Tx. Cause
> was engine coolant getting into the transmission and ruining the
computer
> and seals. An Allison Factory rebuilt was ordered and finally
installed.
>
> On the way home from the shop in San Antonio, the engine warning
lights
> came on once again, and Wallace had the Coach towed back to the
shop. As it
> turned out, this time, the engine code said it was due to low
coolant! Well
> the coolant was freshly changed at that shop and had been toped
off.
>
> Second problem found: As it turned out, the filler neck to the
coolant
> tank, about 3 inches or so long, had a split in it just below the
pressure
> cap. So as pressure increased the coolant ran out of the split to
who knows
> where and of course the engine code signaled the engine stop light.
>
> The neck will be repaired tomorrow and all should be go at that
time.
>
> Bottom line on the second problem is this, Those with Coaches, umm
I would
> say '92/'93 on, might want to check this short neck filler tube
that goes
> into the top of the reservoir tank for any signs of splits or what
ever.
>
>
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
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[Brian Gatley]

I do have the manual, but it is with the coach which is at the shop.

I just bought the coach from the original owner and am curious about any
issues that may have occurred with the engine while under his ownership.


I called the local DD shop and he verified that 88 was the first year of
electronic engines but they continued to make both electronic and
mechanical engines. The easiest way to confirm is to look for the black
box just below the turbo.

After I get all the service done by my mechanic I will take the coach to
the DD shop and they can read the engine history.

Brian Gatley
1993 WLWB PT40
Bend, OR

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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Up date on the Craig's Coach


Brian: Your 93 has DD2 computer and your HT755 is also has a
computer . both port's to read the data are located in the compartment
on the left side underneath the shift button's. Take the cover off and
you'll find two lead's under there. Just curious? Why do you want them
to read the data? Do you have the company owner's manual?....Thanks.Bob
93pt40..Leaving Sat, for SPI......





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[William Jensen]

Brian:

As Bob and Jeff had mentioned, The connectors for the computer for the
engine and tranny are on the left side of the dash. In my 93, you
have to remove the panel where the mirror/temp/rear camera controls
are located. You can also remove the panel where the shifter controls
are too. I just find it easier to remove the bottom panel. Have even
toyed with the idea of putting a hole in the side panel to have better
access to the connectors. I have my engine serviced at a Detroit
Diesel/ Allison shop and get the print out after their service. Just
good info to have. Your thoughts on getting the history of the
engine by doing this are right on. Best of luck with your new coach.

William Jensen
1993 PT40 WBWL "maudi"
Deerfield Beach, FL

[Robert Johannesen]

Brian,
Another idea...when I bought my 91WLWB40, I called customer service at
Detroit with the serial numbers (of the engine and DDECII computer) and asked
them about any warranty work that was done on my engine during the warranty
period. They told me about several small things (crank sensors, etc.) and that
the entire DDECII computer had been replaced. The last time I had it worked on
they updated the software from version 84 to 154 (I think). I don't know the
current version.
You might get some more history there.

Bob & Judy Johannesen
91WLWB40 "Seldom Blue" with an ever-elusive air leak!
Argyle, Texas 70s and beautiful!!

William Jensen wrote:
Brian:

As Bob and Jeff had mentioned, The connectors for the computer for the
engine and tranny are on the left side of the dash. In my 93, you
have to remove the panel where the mirror/temp/rear camera controls
are located. You can also remove the panel where the shifter controls
are too. I just find it easier to remove the bottom panel. Have even
toyed with the idea of putting a hole in the side panel to have better
access to the connectors. I have my engine serviced at a Detroit
Diesel/ Allison shop and get the print out after their service. Just
good info to have. Your thoughts on getting the history of the
engine by doing this are right on. Best of luck with your new coach.

William Jensen
1993 PT40 WBWL "maudi"
Deerfield Beach, FL






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