Air suspension saga continues....

[Scott Forman]

OK, need some help here.

I have a problem with a leaning coach. Last week I posted that I
believed I had identified the problem as a torn air bag. However,
upon further inspection, here is what I have determined.

1) The air bag I though was blown actually isn't. It is in bad shape
and I am going to replace it, but the inner bladder is still intact
and it holds air. I can find no evidence of this bag leaking or
seeping air...soaped it up real good, no bubbles.

2) All three leveling valves seem to be OK. They are all three
fairly new...I did both rears last year and the front appears new, so
I am guessing it was done shortly before I got the coach. I know the
rears are fine as far as the side-to-side leveling...with the front
valve disconnected, the rear axle will air up properly level.

3) So my problem is that the right front fills more than the left
front, causing the front of the coach to lean. But since both sides
of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
troubleshooting dead end here.

Help?

Scott Forman
'Tiger Pride'
82 FC35RB
Memphis

[Tom McCarthy]

Scott,

To get the front level, since it has only one valve for both sides,
you need to adjust the rear valves. Raising and lowering one side
of the rear or the other will shift the front side to side. BB says
to measure front height at the point behind the front wheel. It
should be around 16 or 17 inches. You might check with BB on your
year and model.

If that does not do it, then I am not sure what else to look at.

Tom McCarthy
'95 PT42
Poway, CA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@r...> wrote:
>
> OK, need some help here.
>
> I have a problem with a leaning coach. Last week I posted that I
> believed I had identified the problem as a torn air bag. However,
> upon further inspection, here is what I have determined.
>
> 1) The air bag I though was blown actually isn't. It is in bad
shape
> and I am going to replace it, but the inner bladder is still
intact
> and it holds air. I can find no evidence of this bag leaking or
> seeping air...soaped it up real good, no bubbles.
>
> 2) All three leveling valves seem to be OK. They are all three
> fairly new...I did both rears last year and the front appears new,
so
> I am guessing it was done shortly before I got the coach. I know
the
> rears are fine as far as the side-to-side leveling...with the
front
> valve disconnected, the rear axle will air up properly level.
>
> 3) So my problem is that the right front fills more than the left
> front, causing the front of the coach to lean. But since both
sides
> of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> troubleshooting dead end here.
>
> Help?
>
> Scott Forman
> 'Tiger Pride'
> 82 FC35RB
> Memphis
>

[Scott Forman]

Well, since the rear inflates level, I do not think it is the rear
valves. If a rear valve was out of whack, the rear would lean just
as the front does...at least as I understand it. When I replaced the
rear valves last year, both axles were leaning.



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> To get the front level, since it has only one valve for both sides,
> you need to adjust the rear valves. Raising and lowering one side
> of the rear or the other will shift the front side to side. BB
says
> to measure front height at the point behind the front wheel. It
> should be around 16 or 17 inches. You might check with BB on your
> year and model.
>
> If that does not do it, then I am not sure what else to look at.
>
> Tom McCarthy
> '95 PT42
> Poway, CA
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> <sforman@r...> wrote:
> >
> > OK, need some help here.
> >
> > I have a problem with a leaning coach. Last week I posted that I
> > believed I had identified the problem as a torn air bag.
However,
> > upon further inspection, here is what I have determined.
> >
> > 1) The air bag I though was blown actually isn't. It is in bad
> shape
> > and I am going to replace it, but the inner bladder is still
> intact
> > and it holds air. I can find no evidence of this bag leaking or
> > seeping air...soaped it up real good, no bubbles.
> >
> > 2) All three leveling valves seem to be OK. They are all three
> > fairly new...I did both rears last year and the front appears
new,
> so
> > I am guessing it was done shortly before I got the coach. I know
> the
> > rears are fine as far as the side-to-side leveling...with the
> front
> > valve disconnected, the rear axle will air up properly level.
> >
> > 3) So my problem is that the right front fills more than the left
> > front, causing the front of the coach to lean. But since both
> sides
> > of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> > troubleshooting dead end here.
> >
> > Help?
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 'Tiger Pride'
> > 82 FC35RB
> > Memphis
> >
>

[rwoodysurplus]

.>
. of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> troubleshooting dead end here.
>
> Help?
>
> Scott Forman
> 'Tiger Pride'
> 82 FC35RB
> Memphis
>

THEN trace out your ft copper lines and fix the 1 that is stopped up
or pinched ................

pull them at the bags and measure psi at both points .......

IMO

Woody 81fcrbsgd

[Tom Warner]

First of all you didnt say which side in the front is low? You need
to adjust the rear height adjusters to get the right and left front
at the same height and then adjust the front height adjuster to get
the front at the correct height. I think you will find that one of
the rear height adjusters is misadjusted. Remember that if the right
front is low, then you lower the right rear adjuster etc.

Tom Warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 07:40 PM 1/15/2006, you wrote:
>.>
>. of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> > troubleshooting dead end here.
> >
> > Help?
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 'Tiger Pride'
> > 82 FC35RB
> > Memphis
> >
>
>THEN trace out your ft copper lines and fix the 1 that is stopped up
>or pinched ................
>
>pull them at the bags and measure psi at both points .......
>
>IMO
>
>Woody 81fcrbsgd
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[Curt Sprenger]

Could it be that the front leveling valve has some crud in it limiting
the right side air volume/pressure. Take the valve out and check it.
Checking line pressure at the bag ends is a good thought...might tell
you the front leveling valve is bad or the crud as I mentioned. Good
luck. Keep us posted.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.



rwoodysurplus wrote:

> .>
> . of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> > troubleshooting dead end here.
> >
> > Help?
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 'Tiger Pride'
> > 82 FC35RB
> > Memphis
> >
>
> THEN trace out your ft copper lines and fix the 1 that is stopped up
> or pinched ................
>
> pull them at the bags and measure psi at both points .......
>
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[Gregory OConnor]

Scott, from what I understand, given the ground is level, a lean in
the front will create a reverse-lean in the rear on the opposite
corner. ie if the driverside front leans down the passanger side
rear should pull up.
Gregory O'Connor
pt Romoland California
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@r...> wrote:
>
> Well, since the rear inflates level, I do not think it is the rear
> valves. If a rear valve was out of whack, the rear would lean just
> as the front does...at least as I understand it. When I replaced
the
> rear valves last year, both axles were leaning.
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
> wrote:
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > To get the front level, since it has only one valve for both
sides,
> > you need to adjust the rear valves. Raising and lowering one
side
> > of the rear or the other will shift the front side to side. BB
> says
> > to measure front height at the point behind the front wheel. It
> > should be around 16 or 17 inches. You might check with BB on
your
> > year and model.
> >
> > If that does not do it, then I am not sure what else to look at.
> >
> > Tom McCarthy
> > '95 PT42
> > Poway, CA
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> > <sforman@r...> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, need some help here.
> > >
> > > I have a problem with a leaning coach. Last week I posted that
I
> > > believed I had identified the problem as a torn air bag.
> However,
> > > upon further inspection, here is what I have determined.
> > >
> > > 1) The air bag I though was blown actually isn't. It is in bad
> > shape
> > > and I am going to replace it, but the inner bladder is still
> > intact
> > > and it holds air. I can find no evidence of this bag leaking
or
> > > seeping air...soaped it up real good, no bubbles.
> > >
> > > 2) All three leveling valves seem to be OK. They are all three
> > > fairly new...I did both rears last year and the front appears
> new,
> > so
> > > I am guessing it was done shortly before I got the coach. I
know
> > the
> > > rears are fine as far as the side-to-side leveling...with the
> > front
> > > valve disconnected, the rear axle will air up properly level.
> > >
> > > 3) So my problem is that the right front fills more than the
left
> > > front, causing the front of the coach to lean. But since both
> > sides
> > > of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> > > troubleshooting dead end here.
> > >
> > > Help?
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 'Tiger Pride'
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
> > >
> >
>

[randydupree2000]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:its the rear height control valves thats
causing the problem,or the linkage that hooks to the arm,sometimes
they slip,or bend,depends on the linkage,replace both rear height
control valves,never just one. heres something else to check,the
panhard bar bolts,this is the bar that locates the rearend from side
to side,if the bolts are worn or broken it aloows the bus to move to
the side of the rearend,and the bags on one side will inflate more
because of the misalignment.
randy dupree 93wb
>
> Scott, from what I understand, given the ground is level, a lean
in
> the front will create a reverse-lean in the rear on the opposite
> corner. ie if the driverside front leans down the passanger side
> rear should pull up.
> Gregory O'Connor
> pt Romoland California
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> <sforman@r...> wrote:
> >
> > Well, since the rear inflates level, I do not think it is the
rear
> > valves. If a rear valve was out of whack, the rear would lean
just
> > as the front does...at least as I understand it. When I
replaced
> the
> > rear valves last year, both axles were leaning.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > To get the front level, since it has only one valve for both
> sides,
> > > you need to adjust the rear valves. Raising and lowering one
> side
> > > of the rear or the other will shift the front side to side.
BB
> > says
> > > to measure front height at the point behind the front wheel.
It
> > > should be around 16 or 17 inches. You might check with BB on
> your
> > > year and model.
> > >
> > > If that does not do it, then I am not sure what else to look
at.
> > >
> > > Tom McCarthy
> > > '95 PT42
> > > Poway, CA
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> > > <sforman@r...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, need some help here.
> > > >
> > > > I have a problem with a leaning coach. Last week I posted
that
> I
> > > > believed I had identified the problem as a torn air bag.
> > However,
> > > > upon further inspection, here is what I have determined.
> > > >
> > > > 1) The air bag I though was blown actually isn't. It is in
bad
> > > shape
> > > > and I am going to replace it, but the inner bladder is still
> > > intact
> > > > and it holds air. I can find no evidence of this bag
leaking
> or
> > > > seeping air...soaped it up real good, no bubbles.
> > > >
> > > > 2) All three leveling valves seem to be OK. They are all
three
> > > > fairly new...I did both rears last year and the front
appears
> > new,
> > > so
> > > > I am guessing it was done shortly before I got the coach. I
> know
> > > the
> > > > rears are fine as far as the side-to-side leveling...with
the
> > > front
> > > > valve disconnected, the rear axle will air up properly
level.
> > > >
> > > > 3) So my problem is that the right front fills more than the
> left
> > > > front, causing the front of the coach to lean. But since
both
> > > sides
> > > > of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> > > > troubleshooting dead end here.
> > > >
> > > > Help?
> > > >
> > > > Scott Forman
> > > > 'Tiger Pride'
> > > > 82 FC35RB
> > > > Memphis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Tom Warner]

OOOPs major brain spasm. If the right front is low then you lower
the LEFT rear adjuster.

tom

At 07:46 PM 1/15/2006, you wrote:
>First of all you didnt say which side in the front is low? You need
>to adjust the rear height adjusters to get the right and left front
>at the same height and then adjust the front height adjuster to get
>the front at the correct height. I think you will find that one of
>the rear height adjusters is misadjusted. Remember that if the right
>front is low, then you lower the right rear adjuster etc.
>
>Tom Warner
>1982 FC35
>Vernon Center,NY
>
>At 07:40 PM 1/15/2006, you wrote:
> >.>
> >. of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> > > troubleshooting dead end here.
> > >
> > > Help?
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 'Tiger Pride'
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
> > >
> >
> >THEN trace out your ft copper lines and fix the 1 that is stopped up
> >or pinched ................
> >
> >pull them at the bags and measure psi at both points .......
> >
> >IMO
> >
> >Woody 81fcrbsgd
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Tom,

Shouldn't that be the opposite rear, or left in your hypothetical?

Tom McCarthy


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
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> First of all you didnt say which side in the front is low? You
need
> to adjust the rear height adjusters to get the right and left
front
> at the same height and then adjust the front height adjuster to
get
> the front at the correct height. I think you will find that one of
> the rear height adjusters is misadjusted. Remember that if the
right
> front is low, then you lower the right rear adjuster etc.
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> Tom Warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
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> At 07:40 PM 1/15/2006, you wrote:
> >.>
> >. of the front are controlled by one valve, I find myself at a
> > > troubleshooting dead end here.
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> > > Help?
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 'Tiger Pride'
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
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> >THEN trace out your ft copper lines and fix the 1 that is stopped
up
> >or pinched ................
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