Battey Banks, how much is enough?/ Wash State WL get together.

[Anthony Louis Pawley]

Ahhhh, but I disagree strongly my fellow FC33 colleague. This is the first
I've heard of FC's only having 6 volt batteries. My FC33 has four 6 volts, and
one 12volt 8D battery. I really like this set up. Above the four 6 volts in the
left front compartment thee is a selector switch for either side, or both,
which I usually leave on the latter.

Its helped, and saved my ass a few times. When I bought my WL in 2003, litle
did I know, but the batteries(along with alot of other things) were on their
last legs. It didn't help when the alternator went out when I was living in
Flagstaff, but having that extra 8D on the right front compartment sure has
helped.

By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach previously? I
bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said the couple lived in Blaine.
I know there is a couple here on the list who have a FC35 and live in Blaine,
would they or anyone else in Wa State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front
is in the low forty thousand digit if that helps.

Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would very much like
to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I already have that weekend
tentatively planned for Colo Springs unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to
take the whole week off and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I
really regret not making it out to the coast to see you guys!

Have a good one!!!!

Sincerely, Tony Pawley
1979 FC33 with 3208T
FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a half years
now!
Frank wrote:

In my mind
it
would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
to
soley engine start.

frank
85FC33
Woodbridge, va.


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[Tom Warner]

Your coach did not come from the factory in that battery
configuration. It came with 4 deep cycle 6VDC batteries in a
compartment under the drivers side. Someone has modified it.

tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 10:49 PM 3/11/2006, you wrote:
> Ahhhh, but I disagree strongly my fellow FC33 colleague. This
> is the first I've heard of FC's only having 6 volt batteries.
> My FC33 has four 6 volts, and one 12volt 8D battery. I really like
> this set up. Above the four 6 volts in the left front compartment
> thee is a selector switch for either side, or both, which I
> usually leave on the latter.
>
> Its helped, and saved my ass a few times. When I bought my WL
> in 2003, litle did I know, but the batteries(along with alot of
> other things) were on their last legs. It didn't help when the
> alternator went out when I was living in Flagstaff, but having
> that extra 8D on the right front compartment sure has helped.
>
> By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my
> coach previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer
> said the couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on
> the list who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone
> else in Wa State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in
> the low forty thousand digit if that helps.
>
> Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
> very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but
> I already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
> unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
> and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
> not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
>
> Have a good one!!!!
>
> Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
> half years now!
>Frank wrote:
>
>In my mind
>it
>would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
>to
>soley engine start.
>
>frank
>85FC33
>Woodbridge, va.
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Tony:
While I agree with you that a set of starting only batteries would
be better, most early through late 80's FC's were equipped with only
the 4 six volt bank in the front left and a separate battery in the
generator tray to start the generator. This configuration has
worked really quite well for the last 20-30 years for most FC
owners, especially if you spend the majority of your time where
shore power is available. It does require more thought regarding
battery management and care not to run your main bank down below its
ability to start the engine or you will have to wait for the
generator and chargers to re-charge your batteries. (shouldn't
anyway to prolong battery life) However, if you spend a lot of time
dry camping (especially if you camp off the beaten path) or if would
like a third level of battery redundancy, a starting battery is a
good addition. But as Frank stated, you give up storage space that
is MUCH needed on a FC33 and some of the folks who have "stuck" the
starting OR extra main batteries in a lower compartment have not
done so with a lot of planning. This could lead to a number of
problems – 1) lead/acid batteries give off hydrogen, especially as
they re-charge – very explosive - if kept in a closed environment
and an ignition source becomes present (compartment light switch,
match, items clanging around in the compartment) big explosion –
these batteries really need to be kept in a location with free air
movement, 2) how do you keep them watered if they are way back in a
compartment, 3) how do you connect them to the coach electrical
system – they need to be recharged via the alternator but isolated
from the rest of the batteries or you will not have any redundancy
as they will all go dead together. (In your case, I would not leave
the battery selector switch in the both position as normal operation
as both banks will go dead together defeating the primary reason for
having separate banks)

All this said, I would like to install a set of starting batteries
(a third battery bank) as I do a fair amount of dry camping and
would like assurance that I can start the coach whenever I want to
if I mess-up and run the main battery bank too low. I would
appreciate any info you can share on how your starting bank is
installed especially if it address's items 1,2 &3 above. Thanks!

Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Louis Pawley
wrote:
>
> Ahhhh, but I disagree strongly my fellow FC33 colleague. This
is the first I've heard of FC's only having 6 volt batteries. My
FC33 has four 6 volts, and one 12volt 8D battery. I really like
this set up. Above the four 6 volts in the left front compartment
thee is a selector switch for either side, or both, which I usually
leave on the latter.
>
> Its helped, and saved my ass a few times. When I bought my WL
in 2003, litle did I know, but the batteries(along with alot of
other things) were on their last legs. It didn't help when the
alternator went out when I was living in Flagstaff, but having that
extra 8D on the right front compartment sure has helped.
>
> By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach
previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said
the couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on the
list who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone else
in Wa State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in the low
forty thousand digit if that helps.
>
> Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I
already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
>
> Have a good one!!!!
>
> Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
half years now!
> Frank wrote:
>
> In my mind
> it
> would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
> to
> soley engine start.
>
> frank
> 85FC33
> Woodbridge, va.
>
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[Mike Hohnstein]

I have a rear bath FC, results in greater compartment capacity. Installed a
2500 inverter/charger with 4 6v AGM in the compartment forward of the rear axle.
AGMs are pricey but I'm told they work in a non vented compartment and as I
haven't blown any thing up yet I guess that's true. Replaced the 4 6vs with
truck cranking 12v in the RF compartment. Jeff Milller is very familiar with my
electrical modifications and he could comment on the particulars.
Mike Hohnstein
----- Original Message -----
From: hsaddock
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Battey Banks, how much is enough?/ Wash State
WL get together.


Tony:
While I agree with you that a set of starting only batteries would
be better, most early through late 80's FC's were equipped with only
the 4 six volt bank in the front left and a separate battery in the
generator tray to start the generator. This configuration has
worked really quite well for the last 20-30 years for most FC
owners, especially if you spend the majority of your time where
shore power is available. It does require more thought regarding
battery management and care not to run your main bank down below its
ability to start the engine or you will have to wait for the
generator and chargers to re-charge your batteries. (shouldn't
anyway to prolong battery life) However, if you spend a lot of time
dry camping (especially if you camp off the beaten path) or if would
like a third level of battery redundancy, a starting battery is a
good addition. But as Frank stated, you give up storage space that
is MUCH needed on a FC33 and some of the folks who have "stuck" the
starting OR extra main batteries in a lower compartment have not
done so with a lot of planning. This could lead to a number of
problems - 1) lead/acid batteries give off hydrogen, especially as
they re-charge - very explosive - if kept in a closed environment
and an ignition source becomes present (compartment light switch,
match, items clanging around in the compartment) big explosion -
these batteries really need to be kept in a location with free air
movement, 2) how do you keep them watered if they are way back in a
compartment, 3) how do you connect them to the coach electrical
system - they need to be recharged via the alternator but isolated
from the rest of the batteries or you will not have any redundancy
as they will all go dead together. (In your case, I would not leave
the battery selector switch in the both position as normal operation
as both banks will go dead together defeating the primary reason for
having separate banks)

All this said, I would like to install a set of starting batteries
(a third battery bank) as I do a fair amount of dry camping and
would like assurance that I can start the coach whenever I want to
if I mess-up and run the main battery bank too low. I would
appreciate any info you can share on how your starting bank is
installed especially if it address's items 1,2 &3 above. Thanks!

Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Louis Pawley
wrote:
>
> Ahhhh, but I disagree strongly my fellow FC33 colleague. This
is the first I've heard of FC's only having 6 volt batteries. My
FC33 has four 6 volts, and one 12volt 8D battery. I really like
this set up. Above the four 6 volts in the left front compartment
thee is a selector switch for either side, or both, which I usually
leave on the latter.
>
> Its helped, and saved my ass a few times. When I bought my WL
in 2003, litle did I know, but the batteries(along with alot of
other things) were on their last legs. It didn't help when the
alternator went out when I was living in Flagstaff, but having that
extra 8D on the right front compartment sure has helped.
>
> By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach
previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said
the couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on the
list who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone else
in Wa State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in the low
forty thousand digit if that helps.
>
> Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I
already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
>
> Have a good one!!!!
>
> Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
half years now!
> Frank wrote:
>
> In my mind
> it
> would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
> to
> soley engine start.
>
> frank
> 85FC33
> Woodbridge, va.
>
>
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[Tom Warner]

In my opinion you are courting disaster installing Absorptive glass
mat (AGM) batteries (or any batteries for that matter) in the same
compartment with a charger/inverter even if it is vented since it is
not true that they never give off gas. If during the charging cycle
you exceed 14 VDC, (and the Heart 2500 does that) , you can destroy
the AGM batteries due to thermal runnaway, causing at its worse the
escape of gel and binder material from the vents. You can also
produce the same environment when you install the batteries near a
charger/inverter that produces heat, and the 2500 produces lots of it
in warm weather. just my thoughts on the matter.

tom Warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY



At 09:41 AM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
>I have a rear bath FC, results in greater compartment
>capacity. Installed a 2500 inverter/charger with 4 6v AGM in the
>compartment forward of the rear axle. AGMs are pricey but I'm told
>they work in a non vented compartment and as I haven't blown any
>thing up yet I guess that's true. Replaced the 4 6vs with truck
>cranking 12v in the RF compartment. Jeff Milller is very familiar
>with my electrical modifications and he could comment on the particulars.
>Mike Hohnstein
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hsaddock
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:32 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Battey Banks, how much is
> enough?/ Wash State WL get together.
>
>
> Tony:
> While I agree with you that a set of starting only batteries would
> be better, most early through late 80's FC's were equipped with only
> the 4 six volt bank in the front left and a separate battery in the
> generator tray to start the generator. This configuration has
> worked really quite well for the last 20-30 years for most FC
> owners, especially if you spend the majority of your time where
> shore power is available. It does require more thought regarding
> battery management and care not to run your main bank down below its
> ability to start the engine or you will have to wait for the
> generator and chargers to re-charge your batteries. (shouldn't
> anyway to prolong battery life) However, if you spend a lot of time
> dry camping (especially if you camp off the beaten path) or if would
> like a third level of battery redundancy, a starting battery is a
> good addition. But as Frank stated, you give up storage space that
> is MUCH needed on a FC33 and some of the folks who have "stuck" the
> starting OR extra main batteries in a lower compartment have not
> done so with a lot of planning. This could lead to a number of
> problems - 1) lead/acid batteries give off hydrogen, especially as
> they re-charge - very explosive - if kept in a closed environment
> and an ignition source becomes present (compartment light switch,
> match, items clanging around in the compartment) big explosion -
> these batteries really need to be kept in a location with free air
> movement, 2) how do you keep them watered if they are way back in a
> compartment, 3) how do you connect them to the coach electrical
> system - they need to be recharged via the alternator but isolated
> from the rest of the batteries or you will not have any redundancy
> as they will all go dead together. (In your case, I would not leave
> the battery selector switch in the both position as normal operation
> as both banks will go dead together defeating the primary reason for
> having separate banks)
>
> All this said, I would like to install a set of starting batteries
> (a third battery bank) as I do a fair amount of dry camping and
> would like assurance that I can start the coach whenever I want to
> if I mess-up and run the main battery bank too low. I would
> appreciate any info you can share on how your starting bank is
> installed especially if it address's items 1,2 &3 above. Thanks!
>
> Harry Saddock
> 83FC35
> South Windsor, CT
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Louis Pawley
> wrote:
> >
> > Ahhhh, but I disagree strongly my fellow FC33 colleague. This
> is the first I've heard of FC's only having 6 volt batteries. My
> FC33 has four 6 volts, and one 12volt 8D battery. I really like
> this set up. Above the four 6 volts in the left front compartment
> thee is a selector switch for either side, or both, which I usually
> leave on the latter.
> >
> > Its helped, and saved my ass a few times. When I bought my WL
> in 2003, litle did I know, but the batteries(along with alot of
> other things) were on their last legs. It didn't help when the
> alternator went out when I was living in Flagstaff, but having that
> extra 8D on the right front compartment sure has helped.
> >
> > By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach
> previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said
> the couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on the
> list who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone else
> in Wa State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in the low
> forty thousand digit if that helps.
> >
> > Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
> very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I
> already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
> unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
> and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
> not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
> >
> > Have a good one!!!!
> >
> > Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> > 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> > FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
> half years now!
> > Frank wrote:
> >
> > In my mind
> > it
> > would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
> > to
> > soley engine start.
> >
> > frank
> > 85FC33
> > Woodbridge, va.
> >
> >
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Doesn't the Heart Freedom have a setting for properly charging the AGM batteries
without overcharging?

Jack
'87 FC35 "Traveller"
Franklin, NC

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[Stephen Birtles]

gel batteries are not the same technology as agm batteries. In agm
batteries the acid is absorbed by fibeglass mat and is immobilized by
the same no silica gel is necessary to stabillize the acid
it is virtually impossible to force the fiberglass mat out of the case
without first physically destroying it. Gel batteries should never be
be charged at14 volts or over (follow the instructions on charger and
or manufacturer guidleines). This would make be true for other types
of batteries
Stephen 77fc35



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> In my opinion you are courting disaster installing Absorptive glass
> mat (AGM) batteries (or any batteries for that matter) in the same
> compartment with a charger/inverter even if it is vented since it is
> not true that they never give off gas. If during the charging cycle
> you exceed 14 VDC, (and the Heart 2500 does that) , you can destroy
> the AGM batteries due to thermal runnaway, causing at its worse the
> escape of gel and binder material from the vents. You can also
> produce the same environment when you install the batteries near a
> charger/inverter that produces heat, and the 2500 produces lots of it
> in warm weather. just my thoughts on the matter.
>
> tom Warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
>
>
> At 09:41 AM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
> >I have a rear bath FC, results in greater compartment
> >capacity. Installed a 2500 inverter/charger with 4 6v AGM in the
> >compartment forward of the rear axle. AGMs are pricey but I'm told
> >they work in a non vented compartment and as I haven't blown any
> >thing up yet I guess that's true. Replaced the 4 6vs with truck
> >cranking 12v in the RF compartment. Jeff Milller is very familiar
> >with my electrical modifications and he could comment on the
particulars.
> >Mike Hohnstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: hsaddock
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:32 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Battey Banks, how much is
> > enough?/ Wash State WL get together.
> >
> >
> > Tony:
> > While I agree with you that a set of starting only batteries would
> > be better, most early through late 80's FC's were equipped with only
> > the 4 six volt bank in the front left and a separate battery in the
> > generator tray to start the generator. This configuration has
> > worked really quite well for the last 20-30 years for most FC
> > owners, especially if you spend the majority of your time where
> > shore power is available. It does require more thought regarding
> > battery management and care not to run your main bank down below its
> > ability to start the engine or you will have to wait for the
> > generator and chargers to re-charge your batteries. (shouldn't
> > anyway to prolong battery life) However, if you spend a lot of time
> > dry camping (especially if you camp off the beaten path) or if would
> > like a third level of battery redundancy, a starting battery is a
> > good addition. But as Frank stated, you give up storage space that
> > is MUCH needed on a FC33 and some of the folks who have "stuck" the
> > starting OR extra main batteries in a lower compartment have not
> > done so with a lot of planning. This could lead to a number of
> > problems - 1) lead/acid batteries give off hydrogen, especially as
> > they re-charge - very explosive - if kept in a closed environment
> > and an ignition source becomes present (compartment light switch,
> > match, items clanging around in the compartment) big explosion -
> > these batteries really need to be kept in a location with free air
> > movement, 2) how do you keep them watered if they are way back in a
> > compartment, 3) how do you connect them to the coach electrical
> > system - they need to be recharged via the alternator but isolated
> > from the rest of the batteries or you will not have any redundancy
> > as they will all go dead together. (In your case, I would not leave
> > the battery selector switch in the both position as normal operation
> > as both banks will go dead together defeating the primary reason for
> > having separate banks)
> >
> > All this said, I would like to install a set of starting batteries
> > (a third battery bank) as I do a fair amount of dry camping and
> > would like assurance that I can start the coach whenever I want to
> > if I mess-up and run the main battery bank too low. I would
> > appreciate any info you can share on how your starting bank is
> > installed especially if it address's items 1,2 &3 above. Thanks!
> >
> > Harry Saddock
> > 83FC35
> > South Windsor, CT
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Louis Pawley
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ahhhh, but I disagree strongly my fellow FC33 colleague. This
> > is the first I've heard of FC's only having 6 volt batteries. My
> > FC33 has four 6 volts, and one 12volt 8D battery. I really like
> > this set up. Above the four 6 volts in the left front compartment
> > thee is a selector switch for either side, or both, which I usually
> > leave on the latter.
> > >
> > > Its helped, and saved my ass a few times. When I bought my WL
> > in 2003, litle did I know, but the batteries(along with alot of
> > other things) were on their last legs. It didn't help when the
> > alternator went out when I was living in Flagstaff, but having that
> > extra 8D on the right front compartment sure has helped.
> > >
> > > By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach
> > previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said
> > the couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on the
> > list who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone else
> > in Wa State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in the low
> > forty thousand digit if that helps.
> > >
> > > Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
> > very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I
> > already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
> > unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
> > and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
> > not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
> > >
> > > Have a good one!!!!
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> > > 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> > > FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
> > half years now!
> > > Frank wrote:
> > >
> > > In my mind
> > > it
> > > would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
> > > to
> > > soley engine start.
> > >
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> > > 85FC33
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[Bob Lawrence]

Hi Tony,
I would think you could call FMCA headquarters with the plate # and
be told who the previous owner was.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT 36(Whirlybird)
Tacoma, Wa.

> By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach
previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said the
couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on the list
who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone else in Wa
State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in the low forty
thousand digit if that helps.
>
> Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I
already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
>
> Have a good one!!!!
>
> Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
half years now!
> Frank wrote:
>
> In my mind
> it
> would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
> to
> soley engine start.
>
> frank
> 85FC33
> Woodbridge, va.
>
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[Tom Warner]

You can look in the January issue of the FMCA magazine and find it.

tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 08:41 PM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Tony,
>I would think you could call FMCA headquarters with the plate # and
>be told who the previous owner was.
>Bob Lawrence
>84 PT 36(Whirlybird)
>Tacoma, Wa.
>
> > By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach
>previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said the
>couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on the list
>who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone else in Wa
>State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in the low forty
>thousand digit if that helps.
> >
> > Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
>very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I
>already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
>unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
>and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
>not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
> >
> > Have a good one!!!!
> >
> > Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> > 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> > FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
>half years now!
> > Frank wrote:
> >
> > In my mind
> > it
> > would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
> > to
> > soley engine start.
> >
> > frank
> > 85FC33
> > Woodbridge, va.
> >
> >
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Yeah well, I'll let you know if they blow up Warner. You keep us up to date on
your PT from Davis, I'm sure it will all be good.
By the by, I left a AGM on the charger, 6v 30amp for two days, forgot about it.
It was on a cart in the shop. Got kinda puffed up but hardly any liquid on the
top and it was hot. Couldn't smell any fumes either, I'm not worried. Checked
the voltage a week later and it's 6.6 volts. Now that is a real experience that
really and truely happened to me, not some theory. My inverter is set correctly
for AGM and I have never seen the batteries get moderately warm. I do leave the
compartment door ajar when parked.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Warner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Battey Banks, how much is enough?/ Wash
State WL get together.


In my opinion you are courting disaster installing Absorptive glass
mat (AGM) batteries (or any batteries for that matter) in the same
compartment with a charger/inverter even if it is vented since it is
not true that they never give off gas. If during the charging cycle
you exceed 14 VDC, (and the Heart 2500 does that) , you can destroy
the AGM batteries due to thermal runnaway, causing at its worse the
escape of gel and binder material from the vents. You can also
produce the same environment when you install the batteries near a
charger/inverter that produces heat, and the 2500 produces lots of it
in warm weather. just my thoughts on the matter.

tom Warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY



At 09:41 AM 3/12/2006, you wrote:
>I have a rear bath FC, results in greater compartment
>capacity. Installed a 2500 inverter/charger with 4 6v AGM in the
>compartment forward of the rear axle. AGMs are pricey but I'm told
>they work in a non vented compartment and as I haven't blown any
>thing up yet I guess that's true. Replaced the 4 6vs with truck
>cranking 12v in the RF compartment. Jeff Milller is very familiar
>with my electrical modifications and he could comment on the particulars.
>Mike Hohnstein
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hsaddock
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:32 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Battey Banks, how much is
> enough?/ Wash State WL get together.
>
>
> Tony:
> While I agree with you that a set of starting only batteries would
> be better, most early through late 80's FC's were equipped with only
> the 4 six volt bank in the front left and a separate battery in the
> generator tray to start the generator. This configuration has
> worked really quite well for the last 20-30 years for most FC
> owners, especially if you spend the majority of your time where
> shore power is available. It does require more thought regarding
> battery management and care not to run your main bank down below its
> ability to start the engine or you will have to wait for the
> generator and chargers to re-charge your batteries. (shouldn't
> anyway to prolong battery life) However, if you spend a lot of time
> dry camping (especially if you camp off the beaten path) or if would
> like a third level of battery redundancy, a starting battery is a
> good addition. But as Frank stated, you give up storage space that
> is MUCH needed on a FC33 and some of the folks who have "stuck" the
> starting OR extra main batteries in a lower compartment have not
> done so with a lot of planning. This could lead to a number of
> problems - 1) lead/acid batteries give off hydrogen, especially as
> they re-charge - very explosive - if kept in a closed environment
> and an ignition source becomes present (compartment light switch,
> match, items clanging around in the compartment) big explosion -
> these batteries really need to be kept in a location with free air
> movement, 2) how do you keep them watered if they are way back in a
> compartment, 3) how do you connect them to the coach electrical
> system - they need to be recharged via the alternator but isolated
> from the rest of the batteries or you will not have any redundancy
> as they will all go dead together. (In your case, I would not leave
> the battery selector switch in the both position as normal operation
> as both banks will go dead together defeating the primary reason for
> having separate banks)
>
> All this said, I would like to install a set of starting batteries
> (a third battery bank) as I do a fair amount of dry camping and
> would like assurance that I can start the coach whenever I want to
> if I mess-up and run the main battery bank too low. I would
> appreciate any info you can share on how your starting bank is
> installed especially if it address's items 1,2 &3 above. Thanks!
>
> Harry Saddock
> 83FC35
> South Windsor, CT
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Louis Pawley
> wrote:
> >
> > Ahhhh, but I disagree strongly my fellow FC33 colleague. This
> is the first I've heard of FC's only having 6 volt batteries. My
> FC33 has four 6 volts, and one 12volt 8D battery. I really like
> this set up. Above the four 6 volts in the left front compartment
> thee is a selector switch for either side, or both, which I usually
> leave on the latter.
> >
> > Its helped, and saved my ass a few times. When I bought my WL
> in 2003, litle did I know, but the batteries(along with alot of
> other things) were on their last legs. It didn't help when the
> alternator went out when I was living in Flagstaff, but having that
> extra 8D on the right front compartment sure has helped.
> >
> > By the Way, does anyone on the list know who owneed my coach
> previously? I bought it in Mt. Vernon, Wash. and the dealer said
> the couple lived in Blaine. I know there is a couple here on the
> list who have a FC35 and live in Blaine, would they or anyone else
> in Wa State have a clue? The FMCA plate on the front is in the low
> forty thousand digit if that helps.
> >
> > Also to Jon "Bremerton Rebel Bird", and Dave Beatty. I would
> very much like to mmet you guya at the Tokeland get together, but I
> already have that weekend tentatively planned for Colo Springs
> unfortunately. Haven't decided whether to take the whole week off
> and drive the Bird out there or just fly yet, but I really regret
> not making it out to the coast to see you guys!
> >
> > Have a good one!!!!
> >
> > Sincerely, Tony Pawley
> > 1979 FC33 with 3208T
> > FullTimin' it in Ballard for two and a
> half years now!
> > Frank wrote:
> >
> > In my mind
> > it
> > would be a waste of battery capacity to dedicate a pair of batts
> > to
> > soley engine start.
> >
> > frank
> > 85FC33
> > Woodbridge, va.
> >
> >
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