Synthetic vs. Dino

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MY 6V92 has 15-40 amsoil in it and am suprised about the low consumption, have
not added any. I bought it with this oil being used and after reading I think
the oil recomended is special straight weight for DD engines. That being said
and after much research I ordered some amsoil,[which have never used before] i
checked and it is very low in sulfer etc. So will use the marine-diesel amsoil
this change and read more, am still not sure if is the right way to go, but
these things do not cool the best so maybe?Previous owner was also using syn.
tranny fluid so guess will go that route also and diff. syn. 90- 140.which i
think has dinno in it now. Wish I new the real answer to this?Marvin
SkaggsBuffalo, Ky. 427161984 PT40--- On Mon 04/10, whynotam <
aamiller@... > wrote:From: whynotam [mailto: aamiller@...]To:
WanderlodgeForum@...: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:47:06 -0000Subject:
[WanderlodgeForum] Synthetic vs. DinoFrom the for what it's worth
department.After speaking with one of the members of this forum about the value
of synthetic versus dino oil (thanks Bob) for my 1993 8V92 I made the switch
from straight Rotella 40W to Amsoil 15W40. The results have been nothing short
of amazing as oil consumption went from around 1 quart per 250 miles to about 1
quart per 850 miles when I am pushing it hard, to pretty much nothing when
driving 55 or 60 MPH. The 40W used to get that diesel black color within a
couple hundred miles of an oil change whereas the synthetic oil is still quite
clear even after 3200 miles. The engine used to smoke some when leaving a stop
light but now has to be fully floored to put out much smoke at all. The coolant
is also not running quite as warm thus the fan is seldom kicking in any more.
More than likely fuel consumption has also decreased but since I do not keep
track I can't vouch for that. It is quite obvious to me that something good has
taken place with my change from dino oil to
synthetic. Next step is to change the other lubricants as well. I am not trying
to start a war here but am just relaying my experience "for what it's
worth".Alvie Miller1993 WLWBArthur IL.--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
"mbulriss" wrote:>> Thank you Tom. I would have put you in the
non-believer camp. Enjoy> your Walmart Dino Oil.> > Mike Bulriss - I
won the bet! I won the bet!> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"> San Antonio,
TX> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:>
>> > Mike you may be correct but I cannot find anywhere that ANY >
> syntheitcs are recommended for use in the Detroit diesel 2 cycle > >
engine. The statement in sect 3.7 that you quote " only synthetic > > oils
which do not contain viscosity improver additives may be used" > >
disqualifies all multigrade synthetics since viscosity improvers are > >
used. I can buy Rotella T single grade at Walmarts and it is
easily> availble.> > > >
http://www.shell-lubricants.com/products...SG.pdf> > Tom
Warner> > Vernon Center,NY> > 1982 FC35 (for sale soon for $35K or
best offer)> > 1985 PT 40> > > > At 02:04 PM 4/7/2006, you
wrote:> > >Ron,> > >> > >Re your comments:> >
>> > > > The two stroke Detroits really shouldn't use
synthetics,> > > > unless someone starts producing a single weight
synthetic.> > > > All that I have seen are multi-grade and they
won't hold up under 5> > > > psi oil pressure at idle.> >
>> > >Just FYI, Detroit's current statement on synthetics is as
follows:> > >3.7 SYNTHETIC OILS> > >Synthetic oils should be
used in Detroit Diesel engines provided they> > >are API licensed and
meet the performance and chemical requirements> > >outlined in this
publication. The oil should
be a PGOS 93K214 approved> > >product for use in EGR equipped engines.
For two-stroke cycle> > >engines, only synthetic oils which do not
contain viscosity improver> > >additives may be used.> > >>
> >I have been using Amsoil 15W-40 Heavy Duty Diesel and Marine Oil in>
> >both my Birds. Generally speaking, "W"/multigrade oils have to
pass> > >both the low viscosity and high viscosity tests. The Amsoil
oil does> > >and passes all tests that are required for straight 40 oil
- and all> > >the requirements for a straight 40 oil listed in the
Detroit> > >publication. My 8V and my old 6V both had approximately
15lbs at idle> > >on synthetic.> > >> > >You are
right that the single weight synthetics are impossible to find> > >any
more. The market wasn't big enough for manufacturers to continue> >
>to make it. The new generation multi-weight
synthetics perform just> > >as well as the straight weights.> >
>> > >Generally, synthetic versus non-synthetic debates are split
into the> > >true believer and non-believer camps. With the current
prices, the> > >price delta is narrowing. If one believes that cheaper
dino oil> > >performs as well as synthetics, then that's their comfort
factor. If> > >one believes that synthetics don't break down like dino
oil, reduce> > >friction, which reduces heat, and are better at
protecting an> > >expensive investment, then that is what they will
use. All the rest> > >is just rethoric that will convince neither
party. Mark me down as> > >true believer/user since 1979.> >
>> > >Mike Bulriss> > >1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - full of
Amsoil> > >San Antonio, TX> > >> > >--- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"> >
> wrote:> > > >> > > > I agree mostly with what you
say, but with a couple exceptions.> First> > > > with engine
oil: The two stroke Detroits really shouldn't use> > > >
synthetics, unless someone starts producing a single weight> synthetic.>
> > > All that I have seen are multi-grade and they won't hold up
under 5> > > > psi oil pressure at idle.> > > >> >
> > I use Transynd in my Allison because I have a transmission
retarder.> > > > Since I drive a lot in the mountains, the synthetic
holds up better> > > > with the heat stress that is created using
the retarder. I> agree with> > > > natural fluids if that were
not the case.> > > >> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas,
TX 92WB40> > > >> > > >> > > >> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Each of us has to
make our own decisions relative to how we will> > > > > service
our engines and transmissions, what kind and brand of> tires> > >
> > to use etc, etc etc, ad nauseum. But in my experience> starting
with> > > > > High Fidelity in the 1950's many bought based on
the hype of> > > > > manufacturers taunting the fantastic
frequency repsonses of their> > > > > equipment. Of course the
better the specifications the higher the> > > > > price. Problem
is that many who bought the highest speced> equipment> > > > >
and paid sky high prices for it, seldom used it and had no ear to> > >
> > differentiate the difference. Yep I was one of those.> > >
> >> > > > > And in my opinion this very closely relates to
the use of> synthetic> > > >
> motor oils and transmission fluids used in motorhomes that are>
driven> > > > > very few miles a year. If you notice on the
Allison> transmission site> > > > > that was > > >
noted > > >>
<<http://tinyurl.com/qs3a9>http://tinyu...url.c\
om/qs3a9,> > > > > and then go to Approved C4 fluids you will
note that Dextron 3> is an> > > > > approved fluid and meets
all of Allisons specifications. In other> > > > > words it meets
ALL of the Allison specifications..period, as> do over> > > >
> 700 other brands! But note that Allison now recommends> changing the>
> > > > C4 specification transmission lubricants at 12,000 mile>
intervals or> > > > > every 6 months which ever comes first. Isnt
it strange that> the over> > > > > the previous 50 years or so
truckers all over the
world never,ever> > > > > followed this regimine and racked up in
excess of 500,000 miles on> > > > > them without a problem?
Wonder how many Allison transmissions in> > > > > motorhome
service have never had their fluid changed since> > > > >
manufacture? And note if you do use Transynd the transmission> fluid> >
> > > change interval is 75,000 miles or 36 months. We are not going
to> > > > > hit the 75,000 mile in 3 years, at least I dont plan
to, so> every 3> > > > > years I would have to change the
transmission fluid after> travelling> > > > > approximately
15,000-20,000 miles.> > > > >> > > > > Now go to
the list of approved Allison TES-295 approved> transmission> > >
> > fluids, which is a severe duty extended drain interval>
transmission> > > > > fluid. Note that Amsoil, that
you have noted in> > > > >
http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/drivet....htm#*NEW* is NOT> listed> >
> > > as an Allison TES-295 approved fluid.> > > > >>
> > > > As I have noted many times previously todays engine oils
and> > > > > transmission fluids meet or exceed any kind of
service we put our> > > > > motorhomes thru. If you drive
sensibly Dextron 3 for the> transmission> > > > > and good
dino oil is fine for the diesel engine.> > > > > tom warner>
> > > > Vernon center,NY> > > > > 1982 FC35 (for sale
soon)> > > > > 1985 PT40> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
> At 09:24 AM 4/6/2006, you wrote:> > > > > >Bob,> >
> > > >> > > > > >I'm no expert, but I am
fortunate enough
to have a long-time> friend> > > > > >nearby that is an
Allison Transmission Specialist, and> services our> > > > >
>bus. On his professional recommendation, we changed out the> filters>
> > > > >and added TranSynd, synthetic fluid.> > > >
> >> > > > >> > > >> > >
><<http://www.allisontransmission.com/>h...ransmissio
> > > n.com/>http://www.allisontransmission.com/> > > >
> ><http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/drivet...*NEW*>h
> > > ttp://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/drivetr...#*NEW*>
> > > >
><http://tinyurl.com/qs3a9><http://t...ttp://tiny
> > > url.com/qs3a9> > > > > >> > > >
> >Ron, No. California> > > > > >85PT36> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >--- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"> > > > > >
wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Is it
worth the expense ($8.00 a quart)and how long does> it last> > >
> > > > before needing rechanging?> > > > > > >
Should I just stay with the conventional stuff in there now> > > >
(changing> > > > > > > it out, of course).> > >
> > > > What think you?> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > Bob Lawrence> > > > > > > 84
pt36> > > > > > > Tacky Tacoma, Wa. with 556 days till
fulltiming on the road.> > > > > > >> > > >
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