Synthetic vs. Dino

[whynotam]

Mike,

So far just 3200 miles, thus the disclaimer "for what it's worth".

Alvie Miller
1993 WLWB
Arthur IL.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your insight. How many miles traveled are you basing
your report? In other words, how many miles accumulated since the
oil change?
> Mike Hohnstein
> Germantown, WI
> 83FC35
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: whynotam
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:47 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Synthetic vs. Dino
>
>
> From the for what it's worth department.
>
> After speaking with one of the members of this forum about the
value
> of synthetic versus dino oil (thanks Bob) for my 1993 8V92 I
made
> the switch from straight Rotella 40W to Amsoil 15W40. The
results
> have been nothing short of amazing as oil consumption went from
> around 1 quart per 250 miles to about 1 quart per 850 miles when
I
> am pushing it hard, to pretty much nothing when driving 55 or 60
> MPH. The 40W used to get that diesel black color within a couple
> hundred miles of an oil change whereas the synthetic oil is
still
> quite clear even after 3200 miles. The engine used to smoke some
> when leaving a stop light but now has to be fully floored to put
out
> much smoke at all. The coolant is also not running quite as warm
> thus the fan is seldom kicking in any more. More than likely
fuel
> consumption has also decreased but since I do not keep track I
can't
> vouch for that. It is quite obvious to me that something good
has
> taken place with my change from dino oil to synthetic. Next step
is
> to change the other lubricants as well. I am not trying to start
a
> war here but am just relaying my experience "for what it's
worth".
>
> Alvie Miller
> 1993 WLWB
> Arthur IL.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Tom. I would have put you in the non-believer
camp.
> Enjoy
> > your Walmart Dino Oil.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss - I won the bet! I won the bet!
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner

> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike you may be correct but I cannot find anywhere that ANY
> > > syntheitcs are recommended for use in the Detroit diesel 2
cycle
> > > engine. The statement in sect 3.7 that you quote " only
> synthetic
> > > oils which do not contain viscosity improver additives may
be
> used"
> > > disqualifies all multigrade synthetics since viscosity
improvers
> are
> > > used. I can buy Rotella T single grade at Walmarts and it is
> easily
> > availble.
> > >
> > > http://www.shell-lubricants.com/products...llaTSG.pdf
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1982 FC35 (for sale soon for $35K or best offer)
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > At 02:04 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Ron,
> > > >
> > > >Re your comments:
> > > >
> > > > > The two stroke Detroits really shouldn't use synthetics,
> > > > > unless someone starts producing a single weight
synthetic.
> > > > > All that I have seen are multi-grade and they won't
hold up
> under 5
> > > > > psi oil pressure at idle.
> > > >
> > > >Just FYI, Detroit's current statement on synthetics is as
> follows:
> > > >3.7 SYNTHETIC OILS
> > > >Synthetic oils should be used in Detroit Diesel engines
> provided they
> > > >are API licensed and meet the performance and chemical
> requirements
> > > >outlined in this publication. The oil should be a PGOS
93K214
> approved
> > > >product for use in EGR equipped engines. For two-stroke
cycle
> > > >engines, only synthetic oils which do not contain viscosity
> improver
> > > >additives may be used.
> > > >
> > > >I have been using Amsoil 15W-40 Heavy Duty Diesel and
Marine
> Oil in
> > > >both my Birds. Generally speaking, "W"/multigrade oils
have to
> pass
> > > >both the low viscosity and high viscosity tests. The
Amsoil
> oil does
> > > >and passes all tests that are required for straight 40 oil -

> and all
> > > >the requirements for a straight 40 oil listed in the Detroit
> > > >publication. My 8V and my old 6V both had approximately
15lbs
> at idle
> > > >on synthetic.
> > > >
> > > >You are right that the single weight synthetics are
impossible
> to find
> > > >any more. The market wasn't big enough for manufacturers
to
> continue
> > > >to make it. The new generation multi-weight synthetics
perform
> just
> > > >as well as the straight weights.
> > > >
> > > >Generally, synthetic versus non-synthetic debates are split
> into the
> > > >true believer and non-believer camps. With the current
prices,
> the
> > > >price delta is narrowing. If one believes that cheaper dino
oil
> > > >performs as well as synthetics, then that's their comfort
> factor. If
> > > >one believes that synthetics don't break down like dino
oil,
> reduce
> > > >friction, which reduces heat, and are better at protecting
an
> > > >expensive investment, then that is what they will use. All
the
> rest
> > > >is just rethoric that will convince neither party. Mark me
> down as
> > > >true believer/user since 1979.
> > > >
> > > >Mike Bulriss
> > > >1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - full of Amsoil
> > > >San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree mostly with what you say, but with a couple
> exceptions.
> > First
> > > > > with engine oil: The two stroke Detroits really
shouldn't
> use
> > > > > synthetics, unless someone starts producing a single
weight
> > synthetic.
> > > > > All that I have seen are multi-grade and they won't
hold up
> under 5
> > > > > psi oil pressure at idle.
> > > > >
> > > > > I use Transynd in my Allison because I have a
transmission
> retarder.
> > > > > Since I drive a lot in the mountains, the synthetic
holds up
> better
> > > > > with the heat stress that is created using the
retarder. I
> > agree with
> > > > > natural fluids if that were not the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Each of us has to make our own decisions relative to
how
> we will
> > > > > > service our engines and transmissions, what kind and
brand
> of
> > tires
> > > > > > to use etc, etc etc, ad nauseum. But in my experience
> > starting with
> > > > > > High Fidelity in the 1950's many bought based on the
hype
> of
> > > > > > manufacturers taunting the fantastic frequency
repsonses
> of their
> > > > > > equipment. Of course the better the specifications the
> higher the
> > > > > > price. Problem is that many who bought the highest
speced
> > equipment
> > > > > > and paid sky high prices for it, seldom used it and
had no
> ear to
> > > > > > differentiate the difference. Yep I was one of those.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And in my opinion this very closely relates to the use
of
> > synthetic
> > > > > > motor oils and transmission fluids used in motorhomes
that
> are
> > driven
> > > > > > very few miles a year. If you notice on the Allison
> > transmission site
> > > > > > that was
> > > > noted
> > > >
> >
>
<<http://tinyurl.com/qs3a9>http://tinyurl.com/qs3a9>http://tinyurl.co
> m/qs3a9,
> > > > > > and then go to Approved C4 fluids you will note that
> Dextron 3
> > is an
> > > > > > approved fluid and meets all of Allisons
specifications.
> In other
> > > > > > words it meets ALL of the Allison
specifications..period,
> as
> > do over
> > > > > > 700 other brands! But note that Allison now recommends
> > changing the
> > > > > > C4 specification transmission lubricants at 12,000 mile
> > intervals or
> > > > > > every 6 months which ever comes first. Isnt it strange
that
> > the over
> > > > > > the previous 50 years or so truckers all over the
world
> never,ever
> > > > > > followed this regimine and racked up in excess of
500,000
> miles on
> > > > > > them without a problem? Wonder how many Allison
> transmissions in
> > > > > > motorhome service have never had their fluid changed
since
> > > > > > manufacture? And note if you do use Transynd the
> transmission
> > fluid
> > > > > > change interval is 75,000 miles or 36 months. We are
not
> going to
> > > > > > hit the 75,000 mile in 3 years, at least I dont plan
to, so
> > every 3
> > > > > > years I would have to change the transmission fluid
after
> > travelling
> > > > > > approximately 15,000-20,000 miles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now go to the list of approved Allison TES-295 approved
> > transmission
> > > > > > fluids, which is a severe duty extended drain interval
> > transmission
> > > > > > fluid. Note that Amsoil, that you have noted in
> > > > > > http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/drivet....htm#*NEW*
is
> NOT
> > listed
> > > > > > as an Allison TES-295 approved fluid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I have noted many times previously todays engine
oils
> and
> > > > > > transmission fluids meet or exceed any kind of service
we
> put our
> > > > > > motorhomes thru. If you drive sensibly Dextron 3 for
the
> > transmission
> > > > > > and good dino oil is fine for the diesel engine.
> > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > 1982 FC35 (for sale soon)
> > > > > > 1985 PT40
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 09:24 AM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > >Bob,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm no expert, but I am fortunate enough to have a
long-
> time
> > friend
> > > > > > >nearby that is an Allison Transmission Specialist,
and
> > services our
> > > > > > >bus. On his professional recommendation, we changed
out
> the
> > filters
> > > > > > >and added TranSynd, synthetic fluid.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>
><<http://www.allisontransmission.com/>http://www.allisontransmissio
> > > > n.com/>http://www.allisontransmission.com/
> > > > > >
> ><http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/drivet....htm#*NEW*>h
> > > > ttp://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/drivetr....htm#*NEW*
> > > > > >
> ><http://tinyurl.com/qs3a9><http://tinyurl.com/qs3a9>http://tiny
> > > > url.com/qs3a9
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ron, No. California
> > > > > > >85PT36
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob
Lawrence"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it worth the expense ($8.00 a quart)and how
long
> does
> > it last
> > > > > > > > before needing rechanging?
> > > > > > > > Should I just stay with the conventional stuff in
> there now
> > > > > (changing
> > > > > > > > it out, of course).
> > > > > > > > What think you?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bob Lawrence
> > > > > > > > 84 pt36
> > > > > > > > Tacky Tacoma, Wa. with 556 days till fulltiming on
the
> road.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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