bio Diesel

[Jay Darst]

Al,

I really am NOT taking a position here. I have listed my experiences
with Bio-diesel.

We have discovered a consistency among our customers that have been
buying fuel from the Bio distributor. Our customers that buy their
fuel from the non Bio retailer have had no issues.

This, along with the manufacturers statements of warranty component
exceptions, leaves a bit of concern in my mind.

I have no plans to study diesel fuel technology, I am certainly not
qualified to draw any conclusions in that area.

More power to you that are interested in researching Bio. Hopefully
you will find an explanation and a working solution.

No arguments here!

;~}

Jay Darst
A car salesman, not a petro engineer
85Pt40
Spfld, IL

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
>
> Jay,
> I participate in two other biodiesel forums and I have
requested
> some backup help from these groups. I have been involved in the
> biodiesel movement for about 3 years. Started making fuel about a
> year ago after I did 2 years of research to make sure I knew what
I
> was getting into. In the next day or two, I should have some more
> information hopefully from them since I am no chemistry expert.
> These groups in case someone else is interested in learning about
> biodiesel is: biodiesel and biodieselbasics.
>
> In addition, a website to learn about it is:
> http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
>
> Here is a person that has alot of expertise in the biodiesel
> community. She travels over the US training people how to make
ASTM
> quality fuel at the home level.
> http://girlmark.com/
>
> Here is the caption I put to the above groups looking for more
> information: "I need some help clarifying my position that bio-
> diesel is a solvent and cleans out the fuel system plus adds more
> lubrication to the fuel system than diesel. Please read over the
> complete message and give me some thoughts so I can summarize to
the
> Wanderlodge group.
> Or if you like, please jion the group and chime in. More knowledge
> is needed.
> Al Johnson
> Mandeville, Louisiana"
>
> I am not trying to be compative, just trying to give the facts as
I
> know it. Plus like you said, if this alternative fuel were to
catch
> on, what a spur to our economy especially the farming
communities.
> Not to mention, the cleaner air we breath. Please take some time
to
> look over the above information and draw your own conclusion.
>
> Al Johnson
> '96 BMC B20
> '93 Dodge B100
> '03 Dodge D100
> Mandeville, Louisiana
> Currently in Chongqing, China till end of month
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
> >
> > Al,
> >
> > The Diesels trucks we are having troubles with have less than
> 10,000
> > miles on them. 2 of them had 4,000 miles on them when we changed
> the
> > filters under warranty for a 2nd time.
> >
> > The trucks symptoms were simply no power. Changed the fuel
filter
> > and off they go again.
> >
> > We have been cutting open the filters lately, the last 5 or 6
have
> > had a brownish slime coating the element.
> >
> > I know for a fact that the 2 trucks mentioned were ordered by
the
> > customers, built promptly by GM, delivered to customers within a
> day
> > or 2 of their arrival and been driven daily since using 11% Bio-
> > Diesel.
> >
> > My service team is in contact with GM techline working on a
> > solution. Gm techline has informed us that they will void the
fuel
> > system warranty on any vehicle that has more than a 5% biodiesel
> > mixture in its fuel system.
> >
> > The DaimlerChrysler folks have sent us a bulletin that indicates
> > that any fuel above 5% Bio has caused the high pressure
injection
> > pumps to fail due to lack of lubrication to the fuel pump. They
> too,
> > are voiding the pump warranty on anything over 5%.
> >
> > We are in the farmimg belt, where they make 70bu/acre soybeans
and
> > 225bu/acre corn, my store is in a big farming community. I sure
> > would rather see us burning 100% Bio, certainly would make my
> buyers
> > buy more!
> >
> > If there is a petroleum engineer on this forum who can provide
us
> > the answer, we certainly are listening.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jay Darst
> > HPR Automotive Superstore
> > Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> > Sullivan, IL
> > Service Director Bob Freeman
> > 217-728-4366 voice phone
> >
> > 85PT40 6V92 burning 11% BioDiesel and still changing Racor fuel
> > filters at every oil change for 3 years and 40,000 miles.
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
> > >
> > > Jay,
> > > Actually, biodiesel is a very good solvent. So it's not
> the
> > > fuel that is dirty. Basically, biodiesel is cleaning out
years
> of
> > > petro build-up. If you don't believe me, take a very dirty
> engine
> > > and put diesel on it and let it sit for 5 minutes and rinse.
> > > Nothing comes off the engine. Put the biodiesel on it and
rinse
> > and
> > > it will clean engine better than any off the shelf engine
> > cleaner.
> > > Plus biodiesel is derived from plants so it is a renewable
> > resourse
> > > unlike the petro we by from our friends in the middle east now
> > over
> > > $75 a barrel. Generally after a couple of tanks, your system
> will
> > > be cleaned out and the freq. filter changes will go away.
> > >
> > > Al Johnson
> > > 96 BMC
> > > Mandeville, Louisiana
> > > Currently in Chongqing, China.
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Guy,
> > > > I have not been exposed to the B20 blend of Bio diesel.
> > > >
> > > > But would like to make a comment here...
> > > >
> > > > The local distributor(in Sullivan,IL) only sells the 11% bio-
> > blend.
> > > >
> > > > With the late model GMC Duramax Diesels, we have found
> > consistency
> > > > in the need to replace the fuel filter every 2,000 miles
when
> > > using
> > > > this 11% Bio-Diesel.
> > > >
> > > > In the Cummins, no problems such as this.
> > > >
> > > > We have a GMC customer who has replaced the OEM factory
filter
> > > with
> > > > a Racor, don't know which micron filter element he is
using...
> > > >
> > > > Seems that the 11% Bio-Diesel has a thicker viscosity making
> it
> > > > harder to filter the crap out prior to selling it to the
> > retailers.
> > > >
> > > > I buy most of my fuel from this place, I get 6.4mpg with it.
> > Used
> > > to
> > > > get 5.5 to 6.0 with Flying J fuel, but its about the same
now.
> > The
> > > > real point here is, my Racor element is covered with a black
> > slime
> > > > when the filter is changed every 5,000 miles, when the DD
oil
> &
> > > > filter change is performed.
> > > >
> > > > I use Lucas fuel treatment at the rate of 1 gallon per 400
> > > gallons
> > > > of diesel, should be sufficient to prevent algae/plant
growth
> in
> > > my
> > > > fuel.
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line here, Bio-Diesel is not as clean as fossil fuel.
> > > >
> > > > My brother Dan has mentioned that the powers that be are
> > changing
> > > > the diesel fuel chemical mix in September, causing a very
> minor
> > > > reduction in the cetane(like Octane is to gasoline).
> > > >
> > > > Diesel fuel, seems like a moving target right now ...;~}
> > > >
> > > > Later
> > > > Jay Darst
> > > > 85PT40
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anybody actually tried B20 bio diesel blend?
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel...lingsites/
> > > > >
> > > > > guy smalley
> > > > > 86 pt 40
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>