bio Diesel

[Jay Darst]

Al,

Maybe the station is growing algae. They sell a heck of a volume of
fuel to be growing algae. They provide fuel to a big trucking
company there in town.

I really don't think its algae. They've been selling 5% Bio for a
long time. Not sure exactly how long they've been providing 11%.

If they've been selling 5% Bio, and they turn their stock very
quickly, shouldn't have algae problems.

in talking with the owner, he indicated that the fuel is of a
thicker viscosity and that it is difficult to remove the impurities.

Again, I don't know shit about it.

Being a franchised dealer, we follow the manufacturers bulletins. If
they say you will void your warranty, they won't pay me to fix your
truck's fuel system when its been burning over 5% Bio.

With that, i am leaving this discussion to the experts.

Thanks
Jay Darst





--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
> Looks like I am getting feedback from the biodiesel and
> biodieselbasics forums and several people think this is an algea
> buildup which will clog filters. If your customer comes back, I
> would suggest you treat his tank with an algea cleaner. As you
> probably know, if he has algea in the tank, changing the filter is
a
> temporary solution till his filter collects enough algea to clog
the
> filter again. He should also report to the fueling station so
that
> can treat their tank.
>
> Al & Kathy Johnson
> Mandeville, Louisiana
> '96 BMC B20
> '93 Dodge Diesel B100
> '03 Dodge Diesel B100
> Currently in Chongqing, China heading to Hong Kong
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
> >
> > Al,
> >
> > I really am NOT taking a position here. I have listed my
> experiences
> > with Bio-diesel.
> >
> > We have discovered a consistency among our customers that have
> been
> > buying fuel from the Bio distributor. Our customers that buy
their
> > fuel from the non Bio retailer have had no issues.
> >
> > This, along with the manufacturers statements of warranty
> component
> > exceptions, leaves a bit of concern in my mind.
> >
> > I have no plans to study diesel fuel technology, I am certainly
> not
> > qualified to draw any conclusions in that area.
> >
> > More power to you that are interested in researching Bio.
> Hopefully
> > you will find an explanation and a working solution.
> >
> > No arguments here!
> >
> > ;~}
> >
> > Jay Darst
> > A car salesman, not a petro engineer
> > 85Pt40
> > Spfld, IL
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
> > >
> > > Jay,
> > > I participate in two other biodiesel forums and I have
> > requested
> > > some backup help from these groups. I have been involved in
the
> > > biodiesel movement for about 3 years. Started making fuel
about
> a
> > > year ago after I did 2 years of research to make sure I knew
> what
> > I
> > > was getting into. In the next day or two, I should have some
> more
> > > information hopefully from them since I am no chemistry
expert.
> > > These groups in case someone else is interested in learning
> about
> > > biodiesel is: biodiesel and biodieselbasics.
> > >
> > > In addition, a website to learn about it is:
> > > http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
> > >
> > > Here is a person that has alot of expertise in the biodiesel
> > > community. She travels over the US training people how to
make
> > ASTM
> > > quality fuel at the home level.
> > > http://girlmark.com/
> > >
> > > Here is the caption I put to the above groups looking for more
> > > information: "I need some help clarifying my position that
bio-
> > > diesel is a solvent and cleans out the fuel system plus adds
> more
> > > lubrication to the fuel system than diesel. Please read over
> the
> > > complete message and give me some thoughts so I can summarize
to
> > the
> > > Wanderlodge group.
> > > Or if you like, please jion the group and chime in. More
> knowledge
> > > is needed.
> > > Al Johnson
> > > Mandeville, Louisiana"
> > >
> > > I am not trying to be compative, just trying to give the facts
> as
> > I
> > > know it. Plus like you said, if this alternative fuel were to
> > catch
> > > on, what a spur to our economy especially the farming
> > communities.
> > > Not to mention, the cleaner air we breath. Please take some
> time
> > to
> > > look over the above information and draw your own conclusion.
> > >
> > > Al Johnson
> > > '96 BMC B20
> > > '93 Dodge B100
> > > '03 Dodge D100
> > > Mandeville, Louisiana
> > > Currently in Chongqing, China till end of month
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Al,
> > > >
> > > > The Diesels trucks we are having troubles with have less
than
> > > 10,000
> > > > miles on them. 2 of them had 4,000 miles on them when we
> changed
> > > the
> > > > filters under warranty for a 2nd time.
> > > >
> > > > The trucks symptoms were simply no power. Changed the fuel
> > filter
> > > > and off they go again.
> > > >
> > > > We have been cutting open the filters lately, the last 5 or
6
> > have
> > > > had a brownish slime coating the element.
> > > >
> > > > I know for a fact that the 2 trucks mentioned were ordered
by
> > the
> > > > customers, built promptly by GM, delivered to customers
within
> a
> > > day
> > > > or 2 of their arrival and been driven daily since using 11%
> Bio-
> > > > Diesel.
> > > >
> > > > My service team is in contact with GM techline working on a
> > > > solution. Gm techline has informed us that they will void
the
> > fuel
> > > > system warranty on any vehicle that has more than a 5%
> biodiesel
> > > > mixture in its fuel system.
> > > >
> > > > The DaimlerChrysler folks have sent us a bulletin that
> indicates
> > > > that any fuel above 5% Bio has caused the high pressure
> > injection
> > > > pumps to fail due to lack of lubrication to the fuel pump.
> They
> > > too,
> > > > are voiding the pump warranty on anything over 5%.
> > > >
> > > > We are in the farmimg belt, where they make 70bu/acre
soybeans
> > and
> > > > 225bu/acre corn, my store is in a big farming community. I
> sure
> > > > would rather see us burning 100% Bio, certainly would make
my
> > > buyers
> > > > buy more!
> > > >
> > > > If there is a petroleum engineer on this forum who can
provide
> > us
> > > > the answer, we certainly are listening.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Jay Darst
> > > > HPR Automotive Superstore
> > > > Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> > > > Sullivan, IL
> > > > Service Director Bob Freeman
> > > > 217-728-4366 voice phone
> > > >
> > > > 85PT40 6V92 burning 11% BioDiesel and still changing Racor
> fuel
> > > > filters at every oil change for 3 years and 40,000 miles.
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jay,
> > > > > Actually, biodiesel is a very good solvent. So it's
> not
> > > the
> > > > > fuel that is dirty. Basically, biodiesel is cleaning out
> > years
> > > of
> > > > > petro build-up. If you don't believe me, take a very
dirty
> > > engine
> > > > > and put diesel on it and let it sit for 5 minutes and
> rinse.
> > > > > Nothing comes off the engine. Put the biodiesel on it and
> > rinse
> > > > and
> > > > > it will clean engine better than any off the shelf engine
> > > > cleaner.
> > > > > Plus biodiesel is derived from plants so it is a renewable
> > > > resourse
> > > > > unlike the petro we by from our friends in the middle east
> now
> > > > over
> > > > > $75 a barrel. Generally after a couple of tanks, your
> system
> > > will
> > > > > be cleaned out and the freq. filter changes will go away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Al Johnson
> > > > > 96 BMC
> > > > > Mandeville, Louisiana
> > > > > Currently in Chongqing, China.
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guy,
> > > > > > I have not been exposed to the B20 blend of Bio diesel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But would like to make a comment here...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The local distributor(in Sullivan,IL) only sells the 11%
> bio-
> > > > blend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With the late model GMC Duramax Diesels, we have found
> > > > consistency
> > > > > > in the need to replace the fuel filter every 2,000 miles
> > when
> > > > > using
> > > > > > this 11% Bio-Diesel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the Cummins, no problems such as this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have a GMC customer who has replaced the OEM factory
> > filter
> > > > > with
> > > > > > a Racor, don't know which micron filter element he is
> > using...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seems that the 11% Bio-Diesel has a thicker viscosity
> making
> > > it
> > > > > > harder to filter the crap out prior to selling it to the
> > > > retailers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I buy most of my fuel from this place, I get 6.4mpg with
> it.
> > > > Used
> > > > > to
> > > > > > get 5.5 to 6.0 with Flying J fuel, but its about the
same
> > now.
> > > > The
> > > > > > real point here is, my Racor element is covered with a
> black
> > > > slime
> > > > > > when the filter is changed every 5,000 miles, when the
DD
> > oil
> > > &
> > > > > > filter change is performed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I use Lucas fuel treatment at the rate of 1 gallon per
> 400
> > > > > gallons
> > > > > > of diesel, should be sufficient to prevent algae/plant
> > growth
> > > in
> > > > > my
> > > > > > fuel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bottom line here, Bio-Diesel is not as clean as fossil
> fuel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My brother Dan has mentioned that the powers that be are
> > > > changing
> > > > > > the diesel fuel chemical mix in September, causing a
very
> > > minor
> > > > > > reduction in the cetane(like Octane is to gasoline).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Diesel fuel, seems like a moving target right now ...;~}
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Later
> > > > > > Jay Darst
> > > > > > 85PT40
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anybody actually tried B20 bio diesel blend?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel...lingsites/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > guy smalley
> > > > > > > 86 pt 40
> > > > > > >
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