83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse?
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05-04-2006, 09:19
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83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse?
When I was getting build sheets, Bennie was the guy. He is still
there, but he was unsuccessful last time I wanted one. Bennie is over in Coachworks, the records are in the bus company, not sure if they all exist anymore. Best of luck, - Jeff Miller in Holland, MI --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Coleman" > > Thank you Jeff for the great info! > > If I were to call the BB factory and provide them with all the numbers > on my service parts sheet, might they be able to provide me with a > build sheet containing all the info on my bus? Including engine type > and factory options? > > It would sure be nice to know what my bus was like out of the factory! > > Andy > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller" > wrote: > > > > All MY-83 Wanderlodge FCs had the 3208Ta (Ta = Turbo, automatic > > transmission) engine. Most all of them were 225hp, the last dozen were > > reputedly 250hp. Externally the engines are identical, all of the BB > > turbo engines have the larger oil cooler which indicates the turbo > > engine with piston oil-cooling sprays and roller lifters etc., the only > > way I know to tell is finding the ID plate on one of the valve covers > > (which one depends on whether it is original or replacement). The valve- > > covers originally also said "Intercity" on them. 4.89:1 gears were > > standard and equipped on over 95% of the '83-'86 FCs, the optional > > 4.63:1 gears nicer but very rare. > > > > The model year on the production line in those years started around > > August '82 and ran through around July of '83 before changing to > > the '84. I have had one of the first '83s, one of the last, and a > > couple in-between. The last-late one I had was originally a 250hp, also > > had the '84 inside window trim (no aluminum trim), the air-cruise- > > control, and other '84 items I can't remember currently. > > > > If your '83 was built June or before, I doubt it originally had the > > 250hp engine (tag above the center of the windshield). A July coach, > > possibly. This might be a moot point as so many FCs have had engines > > replaced, and most of those replacements were upgraded to the 250hp > > engine. Also, if someone knowledgable like Buddy Gregg, salesman at > > that time for Harvey Mitchell Cadillac (love this trivia) knew it was > > possible, he might have ordered the 250hp for a special customer ahead > > of production. > > > > To further confuse the issue, BlueBird is a manufacturer, they can > > technically title an '83FC as a 2007 if they still have the chassis > > incomplete / un-titled. Some coaches were not complete during the model > > year the chassis was built, an example being some of the 96" wide PTs > > sold in '89, so they were titled as the model year when the coach was > > completed. Late Lxi coaches were also built on chassis which were built > > earlier. I don't know if there are examples of 31' or 33' coaches that > > crossed model years, but it could happen, especially in the case of the > > WLII which had significant differences in chassis equipment. > > > > Some indicators of a late '83 coach were the deadbolt on the door > > being a couple of inches above the rub-rail, the 4-bolt mirror mounts, > > and the rectangular turn-signals on the sides replacing the earlier > > beehive-style ones. > > > > As Mike H. has said though, what matters more than whether it is a 225 > > or 250, is the arrangement number. If you need parts such as injector > > nozzles, Cat won't be able to help you much without both the > > arrangement and serial number. Other items such as the rocker- cover > > gaskets, PCV, filters, etc., are common to all of the '83-'86 FCs and > > you should be able to get that information here. > > > > - Jeff Miller > > in Holland, MI > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "olson_phil" > > > > > > I have not checked mine out yet to tell which engine it might be. I > > > know it came from the factory with a 225hp, but was told it was > > > replaced with a rebuilt 250hp, but don't have any documentation on > > > it. Getting it out of storage tonight for the summer so now I will > > > have it at the house to play with and try to figure these things > > > out. Just ordered a new back up camera system from rvcams.com, so > > > that will be this weekends project. > > > > > > Phil Olson > > > Appleton, WI > > > 83FC35SB > > > |
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83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Andy Coleman - 04-17-2006, 09:20
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - fl_bluebird_1983 - 04-17-2006, 09:48
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - olson_phil - 04-17-2006, 13:58
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Mike Hohnstein - 04-17-2006, 14:34
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Tom Warner - 04-17-2006, 15:30
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Andy Coleman - 04-17-2006, 18:29
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Tom Warner - 04-17-2006, 22:58
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Andy Coleman - 05-01-2006, 08:34
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Gary Miller - 05-01-2006, 09:27
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - olson_phil - 05-02-2006, 07:07
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Jeff Miller - 05-02-2006, 10:42
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Andy Coleman - 05-03-2006, 18:16
83 FC - Is my engine 225 or 250 horse? - Jeff Miller - 05-04-2006 09:19
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